Oklahoma have been doing a surprisingly bad job on the boards this season. I expected them to be one of the best rebounding teams in the league but they are only managing to be a middle of the pack rebounding team to date.
In terms of the Celtics, this could be good news for them as hopefully they'll be under less pressure on the boards than they have been in the last two contests against Indiana (very good rebounding team) and Chicago (best in league).
Oklahoma they are capable of a lot more on the boards and should right their ship at some point. Hopefully for Boston, that point will be sometime later in the season.
And in terms of OKC's title ambitions, improving their rebounding and becoming one of the best rebounding teams in the league is an absolute necessity ... and if they feel to do so, they will drop back within the pack in the West instead of being the team to beat that they should be.
I haven't watched them much either.Oklahoma have been doing a surprisingly bad job on the boards this season. I expected them to be one of the best rebounding teams in the league but they are only managing to be a middle of the pack rebounding team to date.
In terms of the Celtics, this could be good news for them as hopefully they'll be under less pressure on the boards than they have been in the last two contests against Indiana (very good rebounding team) and Chicago (best in league).
Oklahoma they are capable of a lot more on the boards and should right their ship at some point. Hopefully for Boston, that point will be sometime later in the season.
And in terms of OKC's title ambitions, improving their rebounding and becoming one of the best rebounding teams in the league is an absolute necessity ... and if they feel to do so, they will drop back within the pack in the West instead of being the team to beat that they should be.
Any long-term concerns with their rebounding? Haven't caught enough of their games to diagnose the cause.
this game has the following
1. emotional - Perk return
2. prove it to the world potential on TNT against the favored West powerhouse
3. home game
4. not a back-to-back
5. Pierce and KG starting to come out of slumps
6. Rondo matching up against "rival" PG
call me crazy, call me Captain Kool Aid, call me Shirley if you want, but I'm calling this a win
woooooohooooooo!
(wouldn't that be somethin?)
this game has the following
1. emotional - Perk return
2. prove it to the world potential on TNT against the favored West powerhouse
3. home game
4. not a back-to-back
5. Pierce and KG starting to come out of slumps
6. Rondo matching up against "rival" PG
call me crazy, call me Captain Kool Aid, call me Shirley if you want, but I'm calling this a win
woooooohooooooo!
(wouldn't that be somethin?)
this game has the following
1. emotional - Perk return
2. prove it to the world potential on TNT against the favored West powerhouse
3. home game
4. not a back-to-back
5. Pierce and KG starting to come out of slumps
6. Rondo matching up against "rival" PG
call me crazy, call me Captain Kool Aid, call me Shirley if you want, but I'm calling this a win
woooooohooooooo!
(wouldn't that be somethin?)
this game has the following
1. emotional - Perk return
2. prove it to the world potential on TNT against the favored West powerhouse
3. home game
4. not a back-to-back
5. Pierce and KG starting to come out of slumps
6. Rondo matching up against "rival" PG
call me crazy, call me Captain Kool Aid, call me Shirley if you want, but I'm calling this a win
woooooohooooooo!
(wouldn't that be somethin?)
Shirley you can't be serious.
I'm going to this game tonight as part of my 21st birthday present, hope its a win.
Let's go Celtics!!!! :) :D
Agonizing stat of the day:
Kendrick Perkins FT% = 78% (28/38)
Rajon Rondo FT% = 59% (35/59)
Both are career FT shooters near 60%. Somehow, Perk may have improved (we'll see in time).
A bit embarrassing I think for Rajon.
perk is going to kill JO in the paint
perk is going to kill JO in the paint
perk is going to kill JO in the paint
Perk plays 4 more minutes than JO this year, scores .7 more points and has 1 more rebound on average. Perk also has less blocks and more turnovers. Yes Perk is a beast. I guess anyone can be a dominant and elite player in your own mind if you make yourself believe it. As bad as people think JO has been for us this year; Perks' stats are about the same.
How many phantom calls is Durant going to get tonight? I bet it will resemble D rose on Friday. Can't stand watching the Thunder and their 50 free throws a game
How many phantom calls is Durant going to get tonight? I bet it will resemble D rose on Friday. Can't stand watching the Thunder and their 50 free throws a game
Westbrook will live at the line tonight. JO will probably foul out.
How many phantom calls is Durant going to get tonight? I bet it will resemble D rose on Friday. Can't stand watching the Thunder and their 50 free throws a gameI think it's worse than the Heat. Durant and Westbrook each get like 15 a game.
How many phantom calls is Durant going to get tonight? I bet it will resemble D rose on Friday. Can't stand watching the Thunder and their 50 free throws a game
Westbrook will live at the line tonight. JO will probably foul out.
If I were Doc, I'd probably be trying to get ejected by the 2nd quarter.
Not looking forward to this one.
JO won't foul out. I don't think he cares enough to give the foul. He'd probably just get injured anyway. Can't stand that guy as a player or human being.
While we're on the subject of JO, can CB vow to never use the photo of his fist on Air Canada's face? After JO's role in the brawl, I find that quite distasteful.
perk is going to kill JO in the paint
Perk plays 4 more minutes than JO this year, scores .7 more points and has 1 more rebound on average. Perk also has less blocks and more turnovers. Yes Perk is a beast. I guess anyone can be a dominant and elite player in your own mind if you make yourself believe it. As bad as people think JO has been for us this year; Perks' stats are about the same.
anytime jo has the ball in his hands i pray that he makes a pass and not take one of those wack fade away shot's that never goes in
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I do not have a man-crush on Perk. Decent player, but if JO could stay healthy, he's a better all-around player than Perk.^^^This
I remember Perk as the mechanical low-post guy, ALWAYS bringing the ball down low that for useless dribble before going up, and the countless technical fouls.
Again, I respect him, but I won't have any tears tonight. Life moves on...
here we goooo!
*crackin 40oz*
here we goooo!
*crackin 40oz*
Gonna need more than that for this game...
here we goooo!
*crackin 40oz*
Gonna need more than that for this game...
here we goooo!
*crackin 40oz*
Gonna need more than that for this game...
I don't think Bass plans on stopping after one. ;)
here we goooo!
*crackin 40oz*
Gonna need more than that for this game...
I don't think Bass plans on stopping after one. ;)
wassup Hobbs!!
here we goooo!
*crackin 40oz*
Gonna need more than that for this game...
I don't think Bass plans on stopping after one. ;)
wassup Hobbs!!
If you ever make it back east Bass, we'll have to do some sippin'. Have you over to meet the wife and our (soon-to-be) baby.
Barelywine ale for me....10-15% alcohol, taste like an IPA..drink two, that is all you need to do..!here we goooo!
*crackin 40oz*
Gonna need more than that for this game...
12 pack of natural ice
should get me thru the pain
Barelywine ale for me....10-15% alcohol, taste like an IPA..drink two, that is all you need to do..!here we goooo!
*crackin 40oz*
Gonna need more than that for this game...
12 pack of natural ice
should get me thru the pain
Barelywine ale for me....10-15% alcohol, taste like an IPA..drink two, that is all you need to do..!here we goooo!
*crackin 40oz*
Gonna need more than that for this game...
12 pack of natural ice
should get me thru the pain
fresh meth for me
Paul Pierce just stands outside the three point line and waits for Rondo to give him a shot. He never drives anymore and his mid-range jumper has been so infrequent. So frustrating.maybe he is copying SCAL..LOL, or out of shape.
Paul Pierce just stands outside the three point line and waits for Rondo to give him a shot. He never drives anymore and his mid-range jumper has been so infrequent. So frustrating.He wants no part of the offense which is the worse thing. I don't care how rusty you are u got to shoulder some of the load this is sickening.
meh...thunder getting second shots at will...like the mavs did
the celtics are the definition of insanity right now
the celtics are the definition of insanity right now
This
I gotta say...as a point guard, Rondo needs to get MUCH better at time management at the end of quarters
Like old times.
they don't even cover md anymore....?
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, ..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.
No, i would put ANY youth out there instead of him....must be management trying to cover that 3.5 mill md hole...they don't even cover md anymore....?
I mean....would you? I dont even know what his use is SUPPOSED to be on the basketball floor
Anyone else think this would be an interesting game to watch J3 play in?
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.
Can the towel boy shoot?
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.
This is not chess pieces. These are basketball players meaning they are homo sapiens which do not move the same way, speed, or think the same way each and every time. If they did, I pick the team coached by Bobby Fischer to win the NBA championship.
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.
This is not chess pieces. These are basketball players
Marquis being aggressive.
Celts are actually playing pretty good defense tonight
Every game is like just waiting for the dam to break.
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.
This is not chess pieces. These are basketball players
I think the point is that Doc has not figured out how to get his pieces to mesh. Or is to set in his way to break old patterns.
TP...#10.thanks for saying that. I was gonna let it go..sort of.When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.
This is not chess pieces. These are basketball players
I think the point is that Doc has not figured out how to get his pieces to mesh. Or is to set in his way to break old patterns.
Why is the corpse of JO still in the game?
Watching Kevin Durant reminds me so much of Reggie Lewis... So many similarities...makes me sad.TP for the momory of Reggie...!
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Oh my goodness...Kevin Garnett was 5 feet away from the hoop and he decided to dribble away for a contested fade away instead of going strong to the rim...
now i could be wrong..but i think doc is a choker..he puts a guy in for 1 minute...then he chokes on the idea, and puts the starting 5 back in right away....."fix it for me willya!"....
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.Who was coaching when pp and Antoine walker went to the div finals.....or further....? it is great to get great players...it makes life easier....
I agree that coaching a mixed bag calls for more in-game strategy. Of course, that isn't the only important aspect of coaching.
Red Auerbach, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson account for about 25 championships. They coached great teams with great talent, but by most accounts were great coaches.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
his play..which you barely see....compared on our team to WHO..?I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
It looked like Doc was just trying to buy an extra minute or two rest for Kevin Garnett before bringing him back in.I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
What is wrong with Paul Pierce?he's working himself into shape. He dedicated most of his offseason to rallying the troops against the evil owners... then got injured and missed all of training camp.
What is wrong with Paul Pierce?
It looked like Doc was just trying to buy an extra minute or two rest for Kevin Garnett before bringing him back in.I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Exactly....that is why they have no one behind Kevin G, and probably why no one wants to come here,,they know doc won't play them.....he is a closed minded type.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.
Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.
How long will it take the captain to get in shape?if no injury on the path there..late Feb, md march.....i think.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.
Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!
lockout was no reason to let youself go and get out of shape....EXACTLY...i thought being a pro means being READY to go...especially for that $$$..all the 10000 players i knew that played AFTER work..wouldn't let themselves get out of shape out of pride.....they knew they would get chumped on the court otherwise..!
2 turnovers to end the half...great job celtics!!!
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!
How many of those rookies Doc never played made in on other teams?
People said the same thing about Doc during the Jefferson/Green years, and how many of those guys are still in the league?
Doc plays talented rookies.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.
Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.
Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.
Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Gomes, Allen, West. Did I forget anyone? He is not known for breaking a rookie's confidence. He develops players with talent.
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!
How many of those rookies Doc never played made in on other teams?
People said the same thing about Doc during the Jefferson/Green years, and how many of those guys are still in the league?
Doc plays talented rookies.
Well, you can say all you want..if you like docs style..so be it...I don't....and i think HE has a lot to do with why no one wants to come here.....steamer has always shown good things to me......also.....you see these other teams showing off their rookies that THEY drafted....who drafted these guys.....you draft them, you play them..or you die with old guys.....
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!
How many of those rookies Doc never played made in on other teams?
People said the same thing about Doc during the Jefferson/Green years, and how many of those guys are still in the league?
Doc plays talented rookies.
Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career. To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.
Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.
Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Gomes, Allen, West. Did I forget anyone? He is not known for breaking a rookie's confidence. He develops players with talent.
Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career. To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......
Well, you can say all you want..if you like docs style..so be it...I don't....and i think HE has a lot to do with why no one wants to come here.....steamer has always shown good things to me......also.....you see these other teams showing off their rookies that THEY drafted....who drafted these guys.....you draft them, you play them..or you die with old guys.....
i often wonder how it would be as a rookie in practice going up against these 5 starters..their ego's, the pecking order...there is POLTICS at every job.....
handing guys playing time just because you drafted them or because you think they have potential is not a good reason. All players in the NBA have talent. Guys should learn to work hard and earn playing time through hard work and consistency, not because they showed up to the gym.
So you are saying Danny has been doing a bad job at GM???
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......
So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player
Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career. To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.
Gerald Green´s problem is not a lack of confidence. Orien Greene isn´t out of the league because of a lack of confidence.
Stiemsma is 26 and was cut before, JJJ and Moore were drafted late in a pretty weak draft. I think the rational answer why Doc doesn´t play them is simply because they´re not ready or a lack of talent.
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.
Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.
Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Gomes, Allen, West. Did I forget anyone? He is not known for breaking a rookie's confidence. He develops players with talent.
It would have been hard not to play those rookies when everyone else on the team was either a rookie (or in their 2nd, 3rd year) or simply sucked with the exception of Pierce. Docs problem is that he rides the "big three" every game. That wouldn't be a problem if they were five years younger
Seems like most NBA talking heads expect the C's to get it together eventually. Why is this? Living on past experiences or are they just naive.Well, IF the Celts are as out of shape as they claim...then they will improve when they get in game shape.....
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......
So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player
You are more than welcome to have your opinion. I have seen his game, in the LIMITED time he was out there. It is what i like to see from a player, the movement, the follow the play / ball till it is in the other teams possesion....he has plenty to offer...he needs more time on the floor.
Bass is 0/3. Pierce the only player in double figures with 11 ugly ones.
Matter of time...
Seems like most NBA talking heads expect the C's to get it together eventually. Why is this? Living on past experiences or are they just naive.Well, IF the Celts are as out of shape as they claim...then they will improve when they get in game shape.....
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......
So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player
You are more than welcome to have your opinion. I have seen his game, in the LIMITED time he was out there. It is what i like to see from a player, the movement, the follow the play / ball till it is in the other teams possesion....he has plenty to offer...he needs more time on the floor.
I'd like to see more of Stiemsma. I think his performances have been pretty mixed so far but he has shown enough promise to deserve more court time.
I'm liking the rebounding to start the half.Butbutbutbut... we NEED Stiemsma. Because, you know, without Stiemsma this team can't play!
Right, passing a layup is _not_ good offense.I can't stand when he does that.
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:well it's not like he's had the experience of winning to know that feels a lot better ;)
"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."
WHAT??????????????? Spoken by a true loser....
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:
"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."
WHAT??????????????? Spoken by a true loser....
sometimes i think i am talking to a few 12 year olds here....SOME.....not all.And sometimes we think that it's 12 year olds talking to us.
pp is coming on.some signs of improvement....all around...started looking better before halftime. hope this is the sign his conditioning is turning the corner.
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:
"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."
WHAT??????????????? Spoken by a true loser....
PP might have made a big mistake in the preseason..but he is a proud warrior..he will come back, same with ray and kg...oneal....never know with him..sometimes he does great things....wish he could have a BIG game...25 and 12 or something....and not get hurt....any injury would kill us...pp is coming on.some signs of improvement....all around...started looking better before halftime. hope this is the sign his conditioning is turning the corner.
on the other hand, JO still looks totally cooked on O
Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career. To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.
Gerald Green´s problem is not a lack of confidence. Orien Greene isn´t out of the league because of a lack of confidence.
Stiemsma is 26 and was cut before, JJJ and Moore were drafted late in a pretty weak draft. I think the rational answer why Doc doesn´t play them is simply because they´re not ready or a lack of talent.
Certainly there are players who have plenty confidence; however, their poor development could still be attributed to other factors, like the team not doing a great job in teaching them the right way to play.
You're right, though, that some players just aren't talented enough to make it in this league. But when the team has been almost completely unable to turn any of the young players its drafted / acquired recently into rotation contributors, you have to wonder who that falls on. Other teams are able to find contributors even late in the draft.
Jermaine O'Neal looking a little better tonight.
I'd say part of that is getting to play against Kendrick Perkins ... a very limited athlete + limited offensive player who doesn't test him much on the defensive end.
what do you expect from a guy who was traded for a Penny before he even played a game ;DStupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:
"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."
WHAT??????????????? Spoken by a true loser....
Spoken like a guy who played 15 years in the league for 5 different teams.
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:
"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."
WHAT??????????????? Spoken by a true loser....
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?
Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career. To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.
Gerald Green´s problem is not a lack of confidence. Orien Greene isn´t out of the league because of a lack of confidence.
Stiemsma is 26 and was cut before, JJJ and Moore were drafted late in a pretty weak draft. I think the rational answer why Doc doesn´t play them is simply because they´re not ready or a lack of talent.
Certainly there are players who have plenty confidence; however, their poor development could still be attributed to other factors, like the team not doing a great job in teaching them the right way to play.
You're right, though, that some players just aren't talented enough to make it in this league. But when the team has been almost completely unable to turn any of the young players its drafted / acquired recently into rotation contributors, you have to wonder who that falls on. Other teams are able to find contributors even late in the draft.
I agree, but it doesn´t fall on Doc. In the last years, we always drafted late in the lottery, finding a gem there is pretty much hit-or-miss. We did draft some ok players, like Bill Walker in the second round, and Doc played them. A lot of us still like Semih Erden, who was drafted at #60.
It´s the rookies job to force the coach to play them, not the other way around.
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?
Because this isn't little league where everyone gets a turn...
man, Rondo cannot get a foul on those drives. how is that?Maybe he shouldn't try to drive through three people?
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?
Because this isn't little league where everyone gets a turn...
Problem is Doc thinks this is an over 40 league.
No, really, I mean...lets talk our team, and the bigs we have...no "fantasy" where we say we'll just sign howard then....really....at least play him vs lesser teams....well, that is what I would do. But I have a real time mind set.That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?
Because this isn't little league where everyone gets a turn...
No true back up pg. This happens every game.Half of those turnovers were by your true PG. I guess that doesn't help either.
1 point game..
Is this the usual 3rd quarter run we go on where we get within 1 then it balloons back to 10+ because we're too tired to build on it?
I really hope not.
No true back up pg. This happens every game.
1 point game..Funny you say that because we end with them up 10+.
Is this the usual 3rd quarter run we go on where we get within 1 then it balloons back to 10+ because we're too tired to build on it?
I really hope not.
1 point game..
Is this the usual 3rd quarter run we go on where we get within 1 then it balloons back to 10+ because we're too tired to build on it?
I really hope not.
Same s***...different game.
Down by 10 after playing, probably, the best 3 quarters they've played this season against decent competition.
That says a lot.
:-\
Down 10 and the thunder have played like crap. Harden has been atrocious. Nice 7 points for Perk in the third quarter. JO having the game he will have every sixth or seventh game this year.
1 point game..Funny you say that because we end with them up 10+.
Is this the usual 3rd quarter run we go on where we get within 1 then it balloons back to 10+ because we're too tired to build on it?
I really hope not.
true but when he's got all 3 of them hanging all over him, someone must be making contactman, Rondo cannot get a foul on those drives. how is that?Maybe he shouldn't try to drive through three people?
Down by 10 after playing, probably, the best 3 quarters they've played this season against decent competition.
That says a lot.
:-\
It's the turnovers that are killing them. The Thunder do not execute all that well at either end, at least tonight. It's the free points off of turnovers (16-2 advantage in points off turnovers) that keep them ahead. The steal to KD 3 was particularly damaging.
Doc would rather go small than play Steamer. Amazing!!! You are not going to beat OKC with small ball.And you're going to beat them with Greg Stiemsma. Don't make me laugh.
C's tallest man on the court is 6'7. :'(
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.
The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great.
Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.
The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great.
Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.
If your point is that the Spurs organization is better at finding talent than us, I´d agree with you, and I´m sure Danny would, too. They´re the best in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough. Doesn´t change the point that it´s not Doc´s fault if our rookies can´t force the coach´s hand.
Remember when Brandon Bass was money on those shots? Celts Playing as hard as they can, OKC putting up a stinker, and still down 10.
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.
The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great.
Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.
If your point is that the Spurs organization is better at finding talent than us, I´d agree with you, and I´m sure Danny would, too. They´re the best in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough. Doesn´t change the point that it´s not Doc´s fault if our rookies can´t force the coach´s hand.
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.
The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great.
Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.
If your point is that the Spurs organization is better at finding talent than us, I´d agree with you, and I´m sure Danny would, too. They´re the best in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough. Doesn´t change the point that it´s not Doc´s fault if our rookies can´t force the coach´s hand.
I just watched the movie Moneyball, for those who have seen it, the GM can pick up players that fit the system, but can't always force the coach to play them.
I like Pietrus.
I like Pietrus.
He's not scared to take the shot.
I like Pietrus.
He's not scared to take the shot.
I like Pietrus.
He's not scared to take the shot.
They really should be ahead in this game. They have played decent defense and OKC is going through the motions. This one is still there for the taking.
this team is basically giving it their best effort... and we're still a bad basketball team who may or may not sneak into the playoffs... sad.
I like Pietrus.
He's not scared to take the shot.
This. Good addition. Needs to play more.
Pierce seems to provide nothing that Pietrus cant at this point
I like Pietrus.
He's not scared to take the shot.
This. Good addition. Needs to play more.
Pierce seems to provide nothing that Pietrus cant at this point
I will not get excited...I will not get excited...I will not get excited....
I know it turned into a 3, but Garnett needs to go right back up any times he gets an offensive rebound. He's too hesitant to try to lay it in quick inside.
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.
The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great.
Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.
If your point is that the Spurs organization is better at finding talent than us, I´d agree with you, and I´m sure Danny would, too. They´re the best in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough. Doesn´t change the point that it´s not Doc´s fault if our rookies can´t force the coach´s hand.
The Spurs organization is better at finding talent, and Pop is better at managing minutes and getting more of his players involved and integrated into what the team is trying to do. I don't think it's as simple as that the Spurs are drafting / acquiring much better players.
Durant is scary good.
KG always falls away and starts to move back after he takes a shot, instead of moving forward and looking set to grab a rebound. That's an issue.
Makes me wonder if KG just never really learned how to rebound with fundamentals since he always had such amazing athleticism (and he never went to college).
Durant is scary good.
Yup. C's don't have any players like that. In a close game, that's what it comes down to. Is your best scorer better than my best scorer? No? Well, you lose.
A lot like the game against the Bulls last Friday.
KG always falls away and starts to move back after he takes a shot, instead of moving forward and looking set to grab a rebound. That's an issue.
Makes me wonder if KG just never really learned how to rebound with fundamentals since he always had such amazing athleticism (and he never went to college).
That foot may come back to haunt the C's.
You know these young teams love playing the C's. Why can't they respect their elders?!
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...
Alright, that's it guys. Thunder destroyed us in this game with forced turnovers and outside shots.
Still, a good effort to stay in the game against one of the top 3-4 teams in the league.
Still painful to see the team struggling to score more than 85 points, and with hardly any inside presence from the bigs (no post-up offense whatsoever).
Well, we're at home vs. Toronto and Phoenix. And then at Washington. Maybe a ray of hope??
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...
I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight. The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...
I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight. The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.
If Thunder don't score more than 20, we gon' win this game! Bet on it!Told you so!
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...
I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight. The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...
I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight. The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.
Amen. This wasn't an embarrassing game. Gosh, perspective, banned at celticsblog for how long now? Do you all realize how good The Thunder are? How good Westbrook is? Are you seeing what he is doing whenever the game has become close?
Does everyone remember just a few years ago? Probably not or the entitlement that we must be the best at all times wouldn't exist. Ugh, makes reading this site so deflating sometimes.
Hey guys, wouldn't it be great to have a point guard who can shoot?
:D
So I guess we are at the point of being happy with a well-played loss at home. Hoe the mighty have fallen.
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today
This is the best I've seen them play all season. They really wanted this win. Unfortunately what I think this game tells us is that the team just isn't good enough, if there were any question of that anymore.
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today
Not impressed by the Thunder. Fluky win over a struggling C's team that gave away a lot of free points.
They need better play from their bigs to be a legit contender.
Pity they didn't come away with the win but it was nice to see a much improved performance after the recent horror shows we have been subjected to.funny, that sounds a lot like something we'd hear on a game thread from the 2007 season.
Hey guys, wouldn't it be great to have a point guard who can shoot?
:D
I'd take a point guard who could make free throws.
Pity they didn't come away with the win but it was nice to see a much improved performance after the recent horror shows we have been subjected to.funny, that sounds a lot like something we'd hear on a game thread from the 2007 season.
Not sure why Jermaine didn't get any burn in the 4th.
Not saying he would have carried us to a win, but, when someone is playing well like that, you have to ride the hot hand a little more.
Besides that, Thunder just hit some extremely tough shots down the stretch, those two Westbrook threes hurt a lot.
Not impressed by the Thunder. Fluky win over a struggling C's team that gave away a lot of free points.
They need better play from their bigs to be a legit contender.
Yes, these have been replaced by, "Stiemsma had a great block".Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.
Moral victories... The only thing missing are the proverbial "Gerald Green had a cool dunk tonight" comments...
Not impressed by the Thunder. Fluky win over a struggling C's team that gave away a lot of free points.
They need better play from their bigs to be a legit contender.
They're 11-2, I think they're gonna be fine.
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.
I don't think this was that bad of a loss. You can't play defense much better than the Celtics did on at least three of the possessions that Durant or Westbrook drained 3s.This right here if we can bring tht type of intensity nd crash the boards like we did tonight we can beat a lot of teams in the league
hahaha TP, humor is really the only thing that helps me deal with this situation.Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.
Moral victories... The only thing missing are the proverbial "Gerald Green had a cool dunk tonight" comments...
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...
I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight. The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.
Amen. This wasn't an embarrassing game. Gosh, perspective, banned at celticsblog for how long now? Do you all realize how good The Thunder are? How good Westbrook is? Are you seeing what he is doing whenever the game has become close?
Does everyone remember just a few years ago? Probably not or the entitlement that we must be the best at all times wouldn't exist. Ugh, makes reading this site so deflating sometimes.
Oh stop with the dramatics. Please. I was not talking about this game in particular. I meant the season as a whole.
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.I'm surprised as well.
So I guess we are at the point of being happy with a well-played loss at home. Hoe the mighty have fallen.
Seriously. I guess this is some sort of moral victory because OKC is just THAT good and we should be happy we only lost by 9. Give me a break.
You could see improvement from last week and room for more improvement. And you saw that improvement against a very good team that is better and better every week as well.I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today
I agree. We were a good game from Ray from winning this one. Pierce seems to have woken from hibernation, but is clearly not in his best shape yet.
I would have liked to have seen more JO down the stretch, so that we could put more pressure inside. He and KG with double-doubles...
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...
I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight. The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.
Amen. This wasn't an embarrassing game. Gosh, perspective, banned at celticsblog for how long now? Do you all realize how good The Thunder are? How good Westbrook is? Are you seeing what he is doing whenever the game has become close?
Does everyone remember just a few years ago? Probably not or the entitlement that we must be the best at all times wouldn't exist. Ugh, makes reading this site so deflating sometimes.
Oh stop with the dramatics. Please. I was not talking about this game in particular. I meant the season as a whole.
And it hasn't been embarrassing either. Look at the circumstances. Did you really expect, given the lockout, the lack of training camp, the hyper speed schedule, The C's to come out gunning to a 10-1 record? I absolutely expected a slow start, a mid-season run, make the playoffs mid-seed and hopefully playing strong enough then to make a run (heck, the 8th seed made the finals last lockout). I haven't seen this season as embarrassing so far. It is still a long burn. I'm not leaping to conclusions on, what, 1/5th of the season?
But, yeah, I'm the one being dramatic. Embarrassment and falls from grace...
Yeah, by the time the playoffs roll around, we'll be in top form. Too bad we'll have something like 20 wins though.You could see improvement from last week and room for more improvement. And you saw that improvement against a very good team that is better and better every week as well.I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today
I agree. We were a good game from Ray from winning this one. Pierce seems to have woken from hibernation, but is clearly not in his best shape yet.
I would have liked to have seen more JO down the stretch, so that we could put more pressure inside. He and KG with double-doubles...
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...
I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight. The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.
Amen. This wasn't an embarrassing game. Gosh, perspective, banned at celticsblog for how long now? Do you all realize how good The Thunder are? How good Westbrook is? Are you seeing what he is doing whenever the game has become close?
Does everyone remember just a few years ago? Probably not or the entitlement that we must be the best at all times wouldn't exist. Ugh, makes reading this site so deflating sometimes.
Oh stop with the dramatics. Please. I was not talking about this game in particular. I meant the season as a whole.
And it hasn't been embarrassing either. Look at the circumstances. Did you really expect, given the lockout, the lack of training camp, the hyper speed schedule, The C's to come out gunning to a 10-1 record? I absolutely expected a slow start, a mid-season run, make the playoffs mid-seed and hopefully playing strong enough then to make a run (heck, the 8th seed made the finals last lockout). I haven't seen this season as embarrassing so far. It is still a long burn. I'm not leaping to conclusions on, what, 1/5th of the season?
But, yeah, I'm the one being dramatic. Embarrassment and falls from grace...
I'm really so over the excuses...the lockout, the schedule, lack of training camp, blah blah blah. Are we the ONLY team that had to go through this? No. So did every other team in the league so I really don't want to hear it.
Yes its a fall from grace. FACT. We went from one of the best teams in the league (right before last season's all star break) to now being one of the worst. That's not being dramatic, its simply the truth. Embarrassing? Matter of opinion, but definitely embarrassing to me. I will never find a 4-8 record acceptable for a team with 3 future Hall of Famers and 4 All-Stars.
If this is acceptable to you, great. Enjoy.
Hey guys, wouldn't it be great to have a point guard who can shoot?
:D
I see a team that can still play championship caliber defense but the offense is lagging well behind.
During this losing streak:
Young/Athletic Indiana team 87 points.
Defending champions Dallas: 90 points.
Derrick Rose playing Chicago Bulls: 88 points.
Young/Atletic Indiana team on back to back: 97 points.
Oklahoma City who has 3 of the better scorers in the league and a pretty prolific offense: 97 points.
Defense is looking pretty good against good teams. Our offense needs to become more creative with the older players, and Rondo needs to take more on himself.
I see a team that can still play championship caliber defense but the offense is lagging well behind.
During this losing streak:
Young/Athletic Indiana team 87 points.
Defending champions Dallas: 90 points.
Derrick Rose playing Chicago Bulls: 88 points.
Young/Atletic Indiana team on back to back: 97 points.
Oklahoma City who has 3 of the better scorers in the league and a pretty prolific offense: 97 points.
Defense is looking pretty good against good teams. Our offense needs to become more creative with the older players, and Rondo needs to take more on himself.
The defense hasn't been good; the pace has been slow.
I seem to recall during this losing streak that it was said we could stomach losing under the situation but we could not tolerate the lack of effort. Well, I think its hard to stomach losing just as much as any of the other games but I'll take this effort over others. I hate the loss but I'll take the tired cliche' moral victories. We played well tonight. We had chances. We made it a game. We played an excellent team with a killer instinct. We aren't there but slowly I'm seeing things coming together bit by bit. We just have to work on eliminating the mistakes that took us out of this one. We've just had 5 extremely tough games against some of the best teams in the NBA. This is going to make us a better team when we finally get over this hump. You can jump my crap for making excuses and being sentimental and all of that other stuff but I still believe we're going to shake this off and start playing some good ball here real soon. I'll take tonight's loss over the other ones.
pathetic...doc using moral victories now..we all need to accept the fact that this is an old .500 team at best. the end is now and it is time to start over
Isn't part of good defensive basketball slowing the offensive pace of the other younger/athletic teams?Not all younger and athletic teams want to play at high pace. Chicago is 26th in the league in pace (second in points per possession). Also, not all good defensive teams want to slow down the pace. Philadelphia, the league leader in points per possession is also sixth in pace.
Isn't part of good defensive basketball slowing the offensive pace of the other younger/athletic teams?Not all younger and athletic teams want to play at high pace. Chicago is 26th in the league in pace (second in points per possession). Also, not all good defensive teams want to slow down the pace. Philadelphia, the league leader in points per possession is also sixth in pace.
In any case, I don't think the Celtics have made any good "stops" defensively on a regular basis, since it isn't really a stop until you secure the defensive rebound.
Points per (100) possession(s) is the measure of offensive/defensive efficiency. Possessions per game is the measure of pace. Sorry if it wasn't clear.Isn't part of good defensive basketball slowing the offensive pace of the other younger/athletic teams?Not all younger and athletic teams want to play at high pace. Chicago is 26th in the league in pace (second in points per possession). Also, not all good defensive teams want to slow down the pace. Philadelphia, the league leader in points per possession is also sixth in pace.
In any case, I don't think the Celtics have made any good "stops" defensively on a regular basis, since it isn't really a stop until you secure the defensive rebound.
I wouldnt use points per possesion as a measurement for pace. What are they in shots per game? Or Possesions per game
Points per (100) possession(s) is the measure of offensive/defensive efficiency. Possessions per game is the measure of pace. Sorry if it wasn't clear.Isn't part of good defensive basketball slowing the offensive pace of the other younger/athletic teams?Not all younger and athletic teams want to play at high pace. Chicago is 26th in the league in pace (second in points per possession). Also, not all good defensive teams want to slow down the pace. Philadelphia, the league leader in points per possession is also sixth in pace.
In any case, I don't think the Celtics have made any good "stops" defensively on a regular basis, since it isn't really a stop until you secure the defensive rebound.
I wouldnt use points per possesion as a measurement for pace. What are they in shots per game? Or Possesions per game
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"Possessions per game" is the measure of pace. The Sixers are first. The
I see a team that can still play championship caliber defense but the offense is lagging well behind.
During this losing streak:
Young/Athletic Indiana team 87 points.
Defending champions Dallas: 90 points.
Derrick Rose playing Chicago Bulls: 88 points.
Young/Atletic Indiana team on back to back: 97 points.
Oklahoma City who has 3 of the better scorers in the league and a pretty prolific offense: 97 points.
Defense is looking pretty good against good teams. Our offense needs to become more creative with the older players, and Rondo needs to take more on himself.
The defense hasn't been good; the pace has been slow.