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Title: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: FLCeltsFan on January 15, 2012, 07:21:25 PM
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Oklahoma City Thunder (11-2) at Boston Celtics (4-7)
Monday, January 16
8:00 PM ET
Game #12, Home Game #7
TV:  TNT,  NBAC
Radio:  WEEI, WWLS
TD Garden

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Probable Starters

Point Guard
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Rajon Rondo  14.7 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 10.1 APG
Russell Westbrook  18.9 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 5.5 APG

Shooting Guard

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Ray Allen  17.5 PPG,  3.1 RPG, 2.4 APG
Thabo Sefolosha    5.0 PPG,  2.1 RPG,  0.7 APG

Small Forward
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Paul Pierce   14.6 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 3.9 APG
Kevin Durant  25.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG,  3.9 APG

Power Forward
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Kevin Garnett   13.5 PPG,  7.1 RPG, 2.4 APG
Serge Ibaka    6.8 PPG,  5.8 RPG,  0.7 APG

Center
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Jermaine O'Neal   5.0 PPG, 4.9 RPG,  1.7 BPG,  
Kendrick Perkins    5.7 PPG,  6.0 RPG,  1.2 BPG

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Celtics Reserves

Brandon Bass
Marquis Daniels
Keyon Dooling
Greg Siemsma
E'Twaun Moore
JaJuan Johnson
Sasha Pavlovic
Avery Bradley
Mickael Pietrus  

Injured
Chris Wilcox (groin) out
Keyon Dooling (knee) probable

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Thunder Reserves
Reggie Jackson
Nick Collison
James Harden
Nazr Mohammed
Daequan Cook
Cole Aldrich
Royal Ivey
Lazar Hayward

Injured

Eric Maynor (ACL)  out
Ryan Reid  (Nasal Surgery)  out  

Team Connections
Nick Collison, Cole Aldrich and Paul Pierce all attended the University of Kansas
Nick Collison and Ray Allen were teammates in Seattle from 2004-07
Kevin Durant, Royal Ivey and Avery Bradley attended the University of Texas
Daequan Cook and Jermaine O’Neal were teammates in Miami during the 2008-10 seasons
Kendrick Perkins played for the Celtics from 2003-11 and was a member of the 2008 Championship team
Nazr Mohammed and Rajon Rondo both attended the University of Kentucky
Lazar Haywood and Celtics Head Coach Doc Rivers both attended Marquette University
Chris Wilcox played for the Thunder franchise from 2005-2009 and was a member of the inaugural Oklahoma City Thunder team in 2008-09..
Ray Allen played for the Thunder franchise in Seattle from 2003-07 before they moved to OKC.

Key Matchups
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Rajon Rondo vs Russell Westbrook
Rondo once again faces one of the top young PG's in the league.  These two PG's were vying for a spot on Team USA before Rondo withdrew and Westbrook went on to win a gold medal with the team.  Rondo always has a little extra motivation playing against the rising PG's in the league.  

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Paul Pierce vs Kevin Durant  
Kevin Durant is making a case for being the best player in the NBA and  Pierce will have his hands full trying to guard him.  Durant is also a good defender so this may be a tough game for Pierce who continues to struggle with his game.

Honorable Mention
Jermaine O'Neal vs Kendrick Perkins
Perk will always be a Celtic.  But he's also one of the more competitive players in the league.  As much as he loves his former teammates, they will be the enemy while he is on the court and expect him to be his snarly best in this game.

Game Notes

 The Celtics welcome Kendrick Perkins back to the Garden for the first time since that tragic day when he was traded to the Thunder.  The Celtics fortunes have gone down hill considerably since the trade that sent Perk and Nate Robinson to the Thunder for Nenad Krstic and Jeff Green.  In the meantime, the Thunder are on the top of the Western Conference and just 1/2 game behind the Bulls for the best record in the league.

Perk slimmed down and is healthy and playing very well for the Thunder while Krstic is playing in Europe and Jeff Green is out for the season after heart surgery.  Even though Perk was crushed when he learned that he was traded, he couldn't have gone to a better team.  The Thunder is a young team with great chemistry.  

That brings us to this game.  The Celtics have lost 4 in a row while the Thunder have won their last 6 including a blowout win over the NY Knicks in their last game.   The Celtics need a win desperately but to get one in this game they are going to have to bring their A game.  No slow starts, no let ups and no long droughts where they can't score.  

I really hope Celtics fans give Perk the standing ovation he deserves in his return to the Garden.  He loved it in Boston and gave it his all in every game he played for the Celtics and as Doc and KG have said in the past day or so,  Perk is a Celtic for life, no matter what jersey he is wearing.  

Keys to the Game
Limit Turnovers - The Celtics have been doing better in recent games to take care of the ball but then need to continue to concentrate on that area because they tend to get lax at times and the turnovers make games that should be easy much more difficult.  

Rebound the Ball    The Celtics have to crash the boards in order to prevent second chance points and fast break opportunities for the Thunder.   The Celtics have been out rebounded by a margin of 188-150 in their last 4 games, all losses.  Rebounding takes effort and desire and the Celtics haven't show a lot of either.  They have to put out more effort on the boards if they want to win.  

Defense -  Defense has got to be the Celtics #1 priority.  They have been playing decent defense in spurts but other times, they allow teams to get to the hoop and to get their shots off way too easily.  They must recommit to team defense if they want to get back on the winning track.  

Bench Play -  The Thunder are a deep team and the Celtics must match their depth if they expect to win this game.  

X-Factor
Youth vs Age  
The Thunder are a young team from top to bottom.  The Celtics have youth on the bench, but their starters have been showing their age in recent games.  The Celtics have to find the fountain of youth if they expect to stay with the young Thunder.  
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Who on January 15, 2012, 07:34:26 PM
Oklahoma have been doing a surprisingly bad job on the boards this season. I expected them to be one of the best rebounding teams in the league but they are only managing to be a middle of the pack rebounding team to date.

In terms of the Celtics, this could be good news for them as hopefully they'll be under less pressure on the boards than they have been in the last two contests against Indiana (very good rebounding team) and Chicago (best in league).

Oklahoma they are capable of a lot more on the boards and should right their ship at some point. Hopefully for Boston, that point will be sometime later in the season.

And in terms of OKC's title ambitions, improving their rebounding and becoming one of the best rebounding teams in the league is an absolute necessity ... and if they feel to do so, they will drop back within the pack in the West instead of being the team to beat that they should be.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: green7 on January 15, 2012, 07:43:43 PM
perk is going to kill JO in the paint

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 15, 2012, 07:48:48 PM
Harden has really blossomed this year.  Terrified of Ray Allen having to guard him for extended stretches.

Surprised to see them tied with the C's in defensive rating.  Looks like Perk and Ibaka have both disappointed considerably, especially on the defensive boards.  Not that they have much to fear from us in that regard!

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 15, 2012, 07:50:28 PM
Oklahoma have been doing a surprisingly bad job on the boards this season. I expected them to be one of the best rebounding teams in the league but they are only managing to be a middle of the pack rebounding team to date.

In terms of the Celtics, this could be good news for them as hopefully they'll be under less pressure on the boards than they have been in the last two contests against Indiana (very good rebounding team) and Chicago (best in league).

Oklahoma they are capable of a lot more on the boards and should right their ship at some point. Hopefully for Boston, that point will be sometime later in the season.

And in terms of OKC's title ambitions, improving their rebounding and becoming one of the best rebounding teams in the league is an absolute necessity ... and if they feel to do so, they will drop back within the pack in the West instead of being the team to beat that they should be.

Any long-term concerns with their rebounding?  Haven't caught enough of their games to diagnose the cause.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Who on January 15, 2012, 07:58:29 PM
Oklahoma have been doing a surprisingly bad job on the boards this season. I expected them to be one of the best rebounding teams in the league but they are only managing to be a middle of the pack rebounding team to date.

In terms of the Celtics, this could be good news for them as hopefully they'll be under less pressure on the boards than they have been in the last two contests against Indiana (very good rebounding team) and Chicago (best in league).

Oklahoma they are capable of a lot more on the boards and should right their ship at some point. Hopefully for Boston, that point will be sometime later in the season.

And in terms of OKC's title ambitions, improving their rebounding and becoming one of the best rebounding teams in the league is an absolute necessity ... and if they feel to do so, they will drop back within the pack in the West instead of being the team to beat that they should be.

Any long-term concerns with their rebounding?  Haven't caught enough of their games to diagnose the cause.
I haven't watched them much either.

In the few bits and bobs I have seen ... It just stood out how little their big men were contributing on the glass and at times defensively. Looked like a team just going through the motion rather than giving their best effort. Not going hard all time. Just doing enough to win the game, going at 85% instead of a 100%. 

Lack of focus/effort. Unusual for them. Their execution has at times struggled under Scotty Brooks (on both ends) but their effort has been at a consistently high level.

They certainly have the players there to be a top rebounding team.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 11:48:53 AM
I'm interested to see two matchups:

- Can Pierce even keep up with Durant, as PP's foot speed is clearly a step behind this year, and he's been backing off out of fear of being blown away by a drives to the rim.

- Rondo vs. Westbrook.  Rondo will have something to prove tonight, but Westbrook is clearly the more dominant offensive player.  Which PG will dominate the matchup, and the answer to this question may have a lot to say about the outcome...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Jeff on January 16, 2012, 12:03:53 PM
this game has the following

1. emotional - Perk return
2. prove it to the world potential on TNT against the favored West powerhouse
3. home game
4. not a back-to-back
5. Pierce and KG starting to come out of slumps
6. Rondo matching up against "rival" PG

call me crazy, call me Captain Kool Aid, call me Shirley if you want, but I'm calling this a win

woooooohooooooo!

(wouldn't that be somethin?)
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 16, 2012, 12:11:12 PM
TP. FL.

Time to snap out of this funk, C's!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 12:13:14 PM
this game has the following

1. emotional - Perk return
2. prove it to the world potential on TNT against the favored West powerhouse
3. home game
4. not a back-to-back
5. Pierce and KG starting to come out of slumps
6. Rondo matching up against "rival" PG

call me crazy, call me Captain Kool Aid, call me Shirley if you want, but I'm calling this a win

woooooohooooooo!

(wouldn't that be somethin?)

It certainly will be an important psychological game for the Celtics.  Still early enough for them to reclaim their pride and try to make something out of the season.  By the same token, it's getting late enough that further poundings from playoff teams could deal a mortal blow to morale/confidence.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 12:13:51 PM
this game has the following

1. emotional - Perk return
2. prove it to the world potential on TNT against the favored West powerhouse
3. home game
4. not a back-to-back
5. Pierce and KG starting to come out of slumps
6. Rondo matching up against "rival" PG

call me crazy, call me Captain Kool Aid, call me Shirley if you want, but I'm calling this a win

woooooohooooooo!

(wouldn't that be somethin?)

It'd instantly change the morale around the team.  I agree this is an awesome opportunity for us to redeem ourselves
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33-00-32 on January 16, 2012, 12:29:49 PM
this game has the following

1. emotional - Perk return
2. prove it to the world potential on TNT against the favored West powerhouse
3. home game
4. not a back-to-back
5. Pierce and KG starting to come out of slumps
6. Rondo matching up against "rival" PG

call me crazy, call me Captain Kool Aid, call me Shirley if you want, but I'm calling this a win

woooooohooooooo!

(wouldn't that be somethin?)

Clear the path!! I'm jumping on this boat with Shirley ;). Go Celts!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Jon Niednagel on January 16, 2012, 12:34:24 PM
this game has the following

1. emotional - Perk return
2. prove it to the world potential on TNT against the favored West powerhouse
3. home game
4. not a back-to-back
5. Pierce and KG starting to come out of slumps
6. Rondo matching up against "rival" PG

call me crazy, call me Captain Kool Aid, call me Shirley if you want, but I'm calling this a win

woooooohooooooo!

(wouldn't that be somethin?)

Shirley you can't be serious.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Q_FBE on January 16, 2012, 12:41:33 PM
While I agree that a win would do wonders for this team, I just don't see it happening. That said a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while. Oklahoma has a lot of depth. Why couldn't we get Nick Collison for Kendrick Perkins (OK that is my Kansas bias kicking in)? Perhaps we could have been more patient and worked a sign and trade deal in Early December but that is neither here nor there at this point.

I am getting sick of the "were too old to be relevent anymore" rhetoric. There is only one solution to that. Win Games.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Jeff on January 16, 2012, 12:50:01 PM
Shirley you can't be serious.

well done
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: indeedproceed on January 16, 2012, 12:53:47 PM
As I write the preview for tonight's game, I lead off with this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-enjcgV1o
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: ACF on January 16, 2012, 01:00:59 PM
TP. Go Celtics!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: dwlefty13 on January 16, 2012, 01:51:30 PM
I'm going to this game tonight as part of my 21st birthday present, hope its a win.

Let's go Celtics!!!!  :)  :D
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: indeedproceed on January 16, 2012, 01:55:21 PM
I'm going to this game tonight as part of my 21st birthday present, hope its a win.

Let's go Celtics!!!!  :)  :D

TP have fun!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
Agonizing stat of the day:

Kendrick Perkins FT% = 78% (28/38)
Rajon Rondo FT% = 59% (35/59)


Both are career FT shooters near 60%.   Somehow, Perk may have improved (we'll see in time).   

A bit embarrassing I think for Rajon.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: indeedproceed on January 16, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
Agonizing stat of the day:

Kendrick Perkins FT% = 78% (28/38)
Rajon Rondo FT% = 59% (35/59)


Both are career FT shooters near 60%.   Somehow, Perk may have improved (we'll see in time).   

A bit embarrassing I think for Rajon.

Yup.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: TenaciousD on January 16, 2012, 04:58:19 PM
perk is going to kill JO in the paint

Hm. Perk don't do the Beaumont quick step. Strength is his game. JO actually might stand a better chance with him instead of those youngsters with lift-off.  Since neither Perk or Serge are big-time scorers, they'll get some caroms but may not kill on put-backs. Meanwhile, they are going to have to step out of the paint to guard Kevin, if he deigns to shoot. Something to hold on to if grasping for straws. Ten-D

Wing play is they key to this one: Durant, Harden, Westie. Jesus, Paul, Raj and Petro will need big nights.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 06:07:25 PM
KG could have held Durrant to a 15 point game 10 years ago , ruffed him up and scored 25 points himself. But now ???, Durrant with his speed and youth will make a total joke out of KG and PP.  I expect Durrant to get 45 points tonight. Our guys can't jump or run, sending a bunch of old tired cripples to play a team of stallions ...I cringe at the thought. Bass is too short .  No Green .... we are sunk ..he might get 60 and set some sort of record. MAybe stigs can protect the basket a little from Durrant. I can see him sailing though the air now making Dunk after Dunk on PP :(

One step closer to a Lottery pock is outcome I'm seeing.

Maybe OKC will have an off night all around..... :-[ ::)

Go Celtics !!!

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: greenpride32 on January 16, 2012, 06:52:59 PM
perk is going to kill JO in the paint



Perk plays 4 more minutes than JO this year, scores .7 more points and has 1 more rebound on average.  Perk also has less blocks and more turnovers.  Yes Perk is a beast.  I guess anyone can be a dominant and elite player in your own mind if you make yourself believe it.  As bad as people think JO has been for us this year; Perks' stats are about the same.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticG1 on January 16, 2012, 07:02:05 PM
How many phantom calls is Durant going to get tonight? I bet it will resemble D rose on Friday. Can't stand watching the Thunder and their 50 free throws a game
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 07:07:11 PM
well, this could be rough tonight.....better get steamer in there..he can help out...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: green7 on January 16, 2012, 07:10:40 PM
perk is going to kill JO in the paint



Perk plays 4 more minutes than JO this year, scores .7 more points and has 1 more rebound on average.  Perk also has less blocks and more turnovers.  Yes Perk is a beast.  I guess anyone can be a dominant and elite player in your own mind if you make yourself believe it.  As bad as people think JO has been for us this year; Perks' stats are about the same.

anytime jo has the ball in his hands i pray that he makes a pass and not take one of those wack fade away shot's that never goes in
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 07:11:07 PM
How many phantom calls is Durant going to get tonight? I bet it will resemble D rose on Friday. Can't stand watching the Thunder and their 50 free throws a game

Westbrook will live at the line tonight. JO will probably foul out.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 07:16:50 PM
How many phantom calls is Durant going to get tonight? I bet it will resemble D rose on Friday. Can't stand watching the Thunder and their 50 free throws a game

Westbrook will live at the line tonight. JO will probably foul out.

If I were Doc, I'd probably be trying to get ejected by the 2nd quarter.

Not looking forward to this one.

JO won't foul out.  I don't think he cares enough to give the foul.  He'd probably just get injured anyway.  Can't stand that guy as a player or human being.

While we're on the subject of JO, can CB vow to never use the photo of his fist on Air Canada's face?  After JO's role in the brawl, I find that quite distasteful.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: cman88 on January 16, 2012, 07:31:23 PM
well know probably from the first 5minutes whether this team will be in this game or not.

if they are bricking open shots like last game, then were in for a long night...but if their shots actually fall(and arent front rimming) we may have a chance to pull this one out.

based on how we have been playing I feel this may be a blowout, but you never know..getting a win like this might be something for this team to turn the ship around
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: ScottHow on January 16, 2012, 07:32:47 PM
I can't wait to see the ovation Perk is going to get. It's always a sight to see a 6'11 260 lb man get emotional, haha.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
I'm gonna record it. I can't bare to watch.  I'll just get my blood pressure up for nothing... better off reading a book and not thinking about it.

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 16, 2012, 07:35:40 PM
How many phantom calls is Durant going to get tonight? I bet it will resemble D rose on Friday. Can't stand watching the Thunder and their 50 free throws a game
I think it's worse than the Heat.  Durant and Westbrook each get like 15 a game.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 07:42:19 PM
How many phantom calls is Durant going to get tonight? I bet it will resemble D rose on Friday. Can't stand watching the Thunder and their 50 free throws a game

Westbrook will live at the line tonight. JO will probably foul out.

If I were Doc, I'd probably be trying to get ejected by the 2nd quarter.

Not looking forward to this one.

JO won't foul out.  I don't think he cares enough to give the foul.  He'd probably just get injured anyway.  Can't stand that guy as a player or human being.

While we're on the subject of JO, can CB vow to never use the photo of his fist on Air Canada's face?  After JO's role in the brawl, I find that quite distasteful.

Hahahhaha, i had to give ya a tp gor that one..it made me laugh..! Get ejected....go to bar....!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 07:45:40 PM
and this is on TNT also....ugh, as in ugly..! This might be a "wait till next year" season.......or they could really be that much out of shape.....but at 30-37 it is tough to get back in basketball shape vs 22 year olds.....basketball players have to be in the best shape out of any sport..! Run, jump, jump, push, get pushed, dribble and run, then be cool-calm and shoot...no time for exhaustion or rubber legs..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 07:46:42 PM
should have tried harder for dalembart..he ain't bad..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 07:49:13 PM
Kendrick is probably a nice guy.....but he will never be a commentator.....he should have went to at least 2 years of college...!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 07:51:40 PM
too bad perk's intro will be the highlight of the night
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 07:53:10 PM
good to hear positive talk from shaq
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I do not have a man-crush on Perk.  Decent player, but if JO could stay healthy, he's a better all-around player than Perk.  

I remember Perk as the mechanical low-post guy, ALWAYS bringing the ball down low that for useless dribble before going up, and the countless technical fouls.

Again, I respect him, but I won't have any tears tonight.  Life moves on...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 07:55:47 PM
perk is going to kill JO in the paint



Perk plays 4 more minutes than JO this year, scores .7 more points and has 1 more rebound on average.  Perk also has less blocks and more turnovers.  Yes Perk is a beast.  I guess anyone can be a dominant and elite player in your own mind if you make yourself believe it.  As bad as people think JO has been for us this year; Perks' stats are about the same.

anytime jo has the ball in his hands i pray that he makes a pass and not take one of those wack fade away shot's that never goes in

Actually, I like JOs shot.  He tends to be accurate but short. I can't help but wonder if either he adjusts at some point to his diminishing leg strength, or if in fact he is still getting in shape and will, if healthy, (yes, I know) get his legs back.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
techs on perk..right...toooooo many....mentality.....bringing the ball down low.....college would have fixed that....even the tnt commentators said the celts are soooo out of shape...now usng the reg season to get in game shape....dumb, dumb and non pro attitude......
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 07:58:07 PM
no celtics on the usa team
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33-00-32 on January 16, 2012, 07:58:50 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I do not have a man-crush on Perk.  Decent player, but if JO could stay healthy, he's a better all-around player than Perk.  

I remember Perk as the mechanical low-post guy, ALWAYS bringing the ball down low that for useless dribble before going up, and the countless technical fouls.

Again, I respect him, but I won't have any tears tonight.  Life moves on...
^^^This
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:01:18 PM
why do I think this game follows the same script as the pacers, mavs, bulls, pacers game?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 08:01:39 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*

Gonna need more than that for this game...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 08:02:05 PM
thunder starting 5

solid
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Roy H. on January 16, 2012, 08:02:12 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*

Gonna need more than that for this game...

I don't think Bass plans on stopping after one. ;)
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:02:44 PM
Maybe perk will tech out for old times sake..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 08:03:01 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*

Gonna need more than that for this game...


12 pack of natural ice

should get me thru the pain
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 08:03:32 PM
that's the Perk I remember... LOL!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 08:03:36 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*

Gonna need more than that for this game...

I don't think Bass plans on stopping after one. ;)


wassup Hobbs!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:04:53 PM
docs idea, the out of shape pp on durant......ugh.....6'11" durant....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Roy H. on January 16, 2012, 08:05:16 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*

Gonna need more than that for this game...

I don't think Bass plans on stopping after one. ;)


wassup Hobbs!!

If you ever make it back east Bass, we'll have to do some sippin'.  Have you over to meet the wife and our (soon-to-be) baby.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 08:05:17 PM
love the passing so far
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:05:26 PM
they have any pride our guts they will play with some heart tonight
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 08:05:42 PM
guess these refs didn't get the memo to protect durant from fouls...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 08:05:51 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*

Gonna need more than that for this game...

I don't think Bass plans on stopping after one. ;)


wassup Hobbs!!

If you ever make it back east Bass, we'll have to do some sippin'.  Have you over to meet the wife and our (soon-to-be) baby.


would be an honor brotha
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:06:11 PM
durant is just smooth like butter...pierce is not
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:06:12 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*

Gonna need more than that for this game...


12 pack of natural ice

should get me thru the pain
Barelywine ale for me....10-15% alcohol, taste like an IPA..drink two, that is all you need to do..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:07:09 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*

Gonna need more than that for this game...


12 pack of natural ice

should get me thru the pain
Barelywine ale for me....10-15% alcohol, taste like an IPA..drink two, that is all you need to do..!

fresh meth for me
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 08:07:45 PM
still brings that ball down for that useless dribble...

yep, i sure do miss that.  ::)
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 08:07:54 PM
here we goooo!

*crackin 40oz*

Gonna need more than that for this game...


12 pack of natural ice

should get me thru the pain
Barelywine ale for me....10-15% alcohol, taste like an IPA..drink two, that is all you need to do..!

fresh meth for me

QUE?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:08:25 PM
The C's look to have some rhythem..but still soo out of shape that they have been telling the media,,fratello said so 3 times....these celts will be dangerous later...if they can avoid injury on the road to in-shapeness....but playing is NO way for an older guy to get in shape....!!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 08:09:14 PM
JO should have dunked that...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:10:06 PM
pathetic. can't finish anything point blank
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:10:14 PM
KG wants ibaka blood......perk ugly on rondo....old perk hack D...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Roy H. on January 16, 2012, 08:10:32 PM
Perk and Rondo tangled up.  

I like that the Celts are going inside, even if they aren't having a heck of a lot of success.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:11:20 PM
does anyone hATE when someone hand checks ME more than ME..see ray not liking that junk either..body on me = basketball hands on me = fight-club..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
we just cant score anymore. really sad to see this team now. it is like watching your pops get old right before your eyes
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:13:16 PM
that ibaka kid can sky....bass time..pp should sub in and out for ray.....at least till they get in shape.....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 08:14:01 PM
Rondo gets robbed of free throws more than just about anybody on those "non-shooting fouls."  The downside to being pathologically pass-first.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 08:14:52 PM
Not a terrible start.  Looks like we are rebounding tonight.  Rondo misses 2 lay-ups and JO 1. Can't do that.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:14:55 PM
Beautiful Boston on TNT...nice..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:17:43 PM
OKLA is just so young and fast everywhere....a lot of young talent there..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 08:18:08 PM
dribble two steps kg toward the rim then shoot the jumper when they leave u open like that

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:18:23 PM
i have gone from expecting to win games to just hoping the celtics keep it close.sad....


right on cue the celtics just starting to play like slop...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:19:05 PM
o neal is a bum. useless
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 08:19:12 PM
Nice D Perk  :'(
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 16, 2012, 08:19:17 PM
nice d perk
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:19:24 PM
Night in...night out...we cant score
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 08:19:37 PM
Posting our worst offensive player against their best post defender: a recipe for success if there ever was one.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:21:04 PM
Watch, doc will put in marquis soon..for what..? ANYONE else...but md.....let him get it together on his own time..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:21:37 PM
JO really got off the floor on that shot.  ;D
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:22:07 PM
pretty soon we will see daniels and bradley on the court together
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 16, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Paul Pierce just stands outside the three point line and waits for Rondo to give him a shot.  He never drives anymore and his mid-range jumper has been so infrequent.  So frustrating.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
no offense...no defense....this is the same ole same ole
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:23:30 PM
The stand around offense is awesome
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:23:34 PM
Steamer, hope he can do good....!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:24:04 PM
just like that the celtics about to be down 10.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:24:26 PM
Good minute there for steamer
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:24:28 PM
Paul Pierce just stands outside the three point line and waits for Rondo to give him a shot.  He never drives anymore and his mid-range jumper has been so infrequent.  So frustrating.
maybe he is copying SCAL..LOL, or out of shape.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:25:21 PM
The rebounding effort is a joke
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:26:03 PM
meh...thunder getting second shots at will...like the mavs did
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:26:05 PM
I have never seen more stagnant offense in my life. Absolutely nothing happening
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
is steamer out already..?  Does doc think that is a good try / chance.....a minute.....1 lap on the floor...duh doc.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: syfy9 on January 16, 2012, 08:27:04 PM
Rondo still can't hit the open jumper...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:27:07 PM
I gotta say...as a point guard, Rondo needs to get MUCH better at time management at the end of quarters
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2012, 08:27:20 PM
Great shot clock awareness by our PG.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: j804 on January 16, 2012, 08:27:31 PM
Paul Pierce just stands outside the three point line and waits for Rondo to give him a shot.  He never drives anymore and his mid-range jumper has been so infrequent.  So frustrating.
He wants no part of the offense which is the worse thing. I don't care how rusty you are u got to shoulder some of the load this is sickening.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:27:32 PM
Another stellar first quarter. They must be tired.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Deja Vu.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:28:17 PM
I can't help feeling like the Celtics played about as well as they could have, and yet the Thunder are still comfortably in control.

Just not enough firepower on this team.

The Celtics simply don't put much pressure on an opposing defense.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:28:22 PM
rondo's inability to make the mid range jumper will keep him from being an elite player. and after one the thunder with a nice lead...boston cant even crack 20
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:28:45 PM
Basically, Pierce is a mannequin who stands outside the arc. Not good.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 08:28:54 PM
I would trade my #1 pick to Denver for Kenneth Faried in a heartbeat.  We need a young big who can REBOUND the ball...  what a joke.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:29:20 PM
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:29:26 PM
the celtics are the definition of insanity right now
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 08:29:49 PM
Need better scoring/playmaking from Rondo to stay in this.  Asking Ray/Pierce to outscore Durant/Harden/Westbrook is too much.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 08:29:50 PM
meh...thunder getting second shots at will...like the mavs did

Like the Bulls did, like the Pacers did...twice.

Same s***, diff game.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:30:05 PM
the celtics are the definition of insanity right now

This
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:30:40 PM
This has to be tough on the Big Three to go out like this.  How many losses in a row will this be on National TV?  At least three...

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 08:30:44 PM
the celtics are the definition of insanity right now

This

...but tonight will finally be the night. LOL!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 08:30:57 PM
I gotta say...as a point guard, Rondo needs to get MUCH better at time management at the end of quarters

This has always annoyed me about him.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:32:06 PM
i just don't see any anything to show me that the celtics can compete with any good team. missed 15 of last 18 shots. that is just pathetic
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:32:13 PM
I believe OKC has 5 blocks already
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:33:08 PM
sad is the celtics are worse than the cavs right now...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:33:27 PM
Out of all the games this season, in how many 1st quarters have the Celtics scored 20 pts or more?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 08:33:53 PM

The Celtics are a sure fired Lottery pick threat.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:33:56 PM
CP3 couldn't lead this team vs okla..they are now a young, strong team....celts need at least 3 strong attackers/ defenders.....keep saying rondo.....while you give ray and pp a pass..and kg....and oneil....the only one who could keep scoring here would be a young allen iverson....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:34:06 PM
missed 16 of last 20
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:34:11 PM
Nice d, mo.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:34:37 PM
So many jumpshots, so many misses.

Nobody on this team can score inside.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: TenaciousD on January 16, 2012, 08:34:47 PM
Quote from: BASS_THUMPER link=topic=52365.msg1116122#msg1116122 date=132676206

*crackin 40oz*
[/quote

Like old times.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 08:34:49 PM
lol we are really bad.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 08:34:55 PM
Could the Celtics be worse than the Bobcats?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:35:03 PM
Does this team take anything but jump shots?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:35:19 PM
bricked jump shot after bricked jump shot....hey hey down double digits.  and still just 17 points
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 08:35:36 PM
Doc with his usual coaching formula.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:35:40 PM
****...really Brandon, really?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 08:35:43 PM
Pietrus needs to play a LOT more.

doc needs to reward guys who play and sit those who don't.  if he still claims to be a defensive coach, then let's play those guys who will give the effort.

i mean, could our offense actually get much worse?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Q_FBE on January 16, 2012, 08:35:52 PM
The Celtics simply have no confidence in themselves or each other right now. This is so sad to watch.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 08:35:59 PM
Pretty pathetic, maybe we should play the cheerleaders.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 08:36:08 PM
Missed layups have to be one of the top 3 most infuriating things for a basketball fan. It just boils my blood.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: TenaciousD on January 16, 2012, 08:36:17 PM
Raj 1-5? He/s not trying to have a shootout with Westie, is he.  Not the the rest of the gang is doing better. 
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:36:26 PM
they don't even cover md anymore....?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 08:36:46 PM
Can the towel boy shoot?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:36:49 PM
I thought Dooling was going to miss a game or two. This is his third straight. Must be another Celtic day-to-day industry.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:37:13 PM
they don't even cover md anymore....?

I mean....would you?  I dont even know what his use is SUPPOSED to be on the basketball floor
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:37:20 PM
at this point the raptors will be a tough game for these old out of shape guys...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 08:37:36 PM
the owner of the C's must just be loving this.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: RayAllen4Three on January 16, 2012, 08:38:18 PM
How's Twaun doing?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
rather start over now that watch this anymore
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: TenaciousD on January 16, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, ..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.

TP
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 08:38:47 PM
Anyone else think this would be an interesting game to watch J3 play in?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:39:07 PM
they don't even cover md anymore....?

I mean....would you?  I dont even know what his use is SUPPOSED to be on the basketball floor
No, i would put ANY youth out there instead of him....must be management trying to cover that 3.5 mill md hole...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 08:39:13 PM
It only took Doc 11 games to realize that Marquis was the best backup pg on this team. That's not really saying alot about the talent on this team but at least Doc realized it.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 08:39:30 PM
I need more beer
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 08:39:41 PM
Doc has went from coaching to begging...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:39:55 PM
Celts are actually playing pretty good defense tonight
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 08:40:01 PM
Anyone else think this would be an interesting game to watch J3 play in?

*raises hand*
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Q_FBE on January 16, 2012, 08:40:13 PM
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.

This is not chess pieces. These are basketball players meaning they are homo sapiens which do not move the same way, speed, or think the same way each and every time. If they did, I pick the team coached by Bobby Fischer to win the NBA championship.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:40:38 PM
shooting 25 percent...laughable
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:41:01 PM
That play was honestly the best ball movement of the year.

Thatta boy, Moore!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: syfy9 on January 16, 2012, 08:41:06 PM
Can the towel boy shoot?

Anyone can be shooting better than the Cs right now...


Thank goodness KG, great rebound...hopefully this will not be the last this game.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
Every game is like just waiting for the dam to break.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:41:55 PM
Westbrook just shoulder checked the hell out of our towel boy
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:41:57 PM
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.

This is not chess pieces. These are basketball players meaning they are homo sapiens which do not move the same way, speed, or think the same way each and every time. If they did, I pick the team coached by Bobby Fischer to win the NBA championship.

 ::)
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 08:42:04 PM
I keep waiting for Artis Gilmore and Fred Roberts to enter the game...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:42:40 PM
get to the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed that gets swept...no thanks...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Roy H. on January 16, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
Marquis being aggressive.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: syfy9 on January 16, 2012, 08:43:00 PM
MARQUIS  MVP MVP MVP!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: TenaciousD on January 16, 2012, 08:43:41 PM
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.

This is not chess pieces. These are basketball players

I think the point is that Doc has not figured out how to get his pieces to mesh. Or is to set in his way to break old patterns.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:43:42 PM
Nice to see Marquis finally playing well.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 08:44:03 PM
Do I see some aggression  ???
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Roy H. on January 16, 2012, 08:44:07 PM
Ray!

I guess we've decided that we're over-passing.  Just take it to the hoop.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:44:17 PM
The good D so far is keeping them in the game. Still waiting for the dam to break.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 08:44:26 PM
You mean somebody on the team besides Rondo actually has the nerve to give a rats behind
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 08:44:44 PM
Marquis being aggressive.

He finally realized shooting 3s was not his game.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Q_FBE on January 16, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
Celts are actually playing pretty good defense tonight

The effort at the back end is quite good. And now Rondo, then Ray Allen went to the hole with authority.

Keep up the good work here, Celtics.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:46:00 PM
This is not a must game, but it would be a huge win for this bunch.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:46:56 PM
Every game is like just waiting for the dam to break.

Yes!  That is a great way to describe how it feels watching this team start games.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 08:48:16 PM
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.

This is not chess pieces. These are basketball players

I think the point is that Doc has not figured out how to get his pieces to mesh. Or is to set in his way to break old patterns.

Yes.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:48:18 PM
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.

This is not chess pieces. These are basketball players

I think the point is that Doc has not figured out how to get his pieces to mesh. Or is to set in his way to break old patterns.
TP...#10.thanks for saying that. I was gonna let it go..sort of.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 08:48:35 PM
Watching Kevin Durant reminds me so much of Reggie Lewis... So many similarities...makes me sad.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:50:28 PM
bass doesn't have a chance to score against Ibaka.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 08:50:47 PM
plugging the dam with chewing gum
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:51:05 PM
Celts showing a surge of experience.......the other thing is...when bass goes post up NO ONE else is down there looking for a rebound..steamer would, but doc don't play him.....because he rebounds.....i think doc has a hate for rebounders.....no matter, when your team has the ball down low...you don't sit out on the perimeter waiting....maybe 1 guy....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: RayAllen4Three on January 16, 2012, 08:51:11 PM
Why is the corpse of JO still in the game?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 08:51:12 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:51:34 PM
Playing about as well as they can and still down 7.  :'(
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:51:52 PM
Why is the corpse of JO still in the game?

Same reason KG is...a lack of options
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: syfy9 on January 16, 2012, 08:51:57 PM
Oh my goodness...Kevin Garnett was 5 feet away from the hoop and he decided to dribble away for a contested fade away instead of going strong to the rim...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:52:08 PM
Watching Kevin Durant reminds me so much of Reggie Lewis... So many similarities...makes me sad.
TP for the momory of Reggie...!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Tgro on January 16, 2012, 08:53:14 PM
Just passing through during commercial.

We're still struggling but I'm liking the effort and the passing!

Optimistic.

Go Celtics!!!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 08:53:59 PM
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.

I agree that coaching a mixed bag calls for more in-game strategy. Of course, that isn't the only important aspect of coaching.

Red Auerbach, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson account for about 25 championships.  They coached great teams with great talent, but by most accounts were great coaches.   
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:54:01 PM
now i could be wrong..but i think doc is a choker..he puts a guy in for 1 minute...then he chokes on the idea, and puts the starting 5 back in right away....."fix it for me willya!"....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:54:19 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:54:41 PM
Oh my goodness...Kevin Garnett was 5 feet away from the hoop and he decided to dribble away for a contested fade away instead of going strong to the rim...

Welcome to the last 2-3 years of KG.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:55:52 PM
now i could be wrong..but i think doc is a choker..he puts a guy in for 1 minute...then he chokes on the idea, and puts the starting 5 back in right away....."fix it for me willya!"....

and after four years and countless post players...he still cant figure out this whole rebounding thing

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:55:58 PM
When you have a GREAT team, and you achieve great things is not exactly coaching......When you have a team of older talent, mixed with youth, and you can turn it into a winner,,,THAT is coaching, strategy..basketball s like a chess match..you have to put your pieces in the right place at the right time.
Who was coaching when pp and Antoine walker went to the div finals.....or further....? it is great to get great players...it makes life easier....

I agree that coaching a mixed bag calls for more in-game strategy. Of course, that isn't the only important aspect of coaching.

Red Auerbach, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson account for about 25 championships.  They coached great teams with great talent, but by most accounts were great coaches.   

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 08:57:16 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.
his play..which you barely see....compared on our team to WHO..?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticsFanNC on January 16, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
   This is what I see for what it's worth.

 The Celtics aren't getting out worked they are getting beaten by better athletes and it is happening almost every night.  I don't see this as a funk I see it as we are starting four guys who are just too old to compete with these younger players.  We could do it with 2 of them, maybe even 3 but 4 is too much to over come.

  I know nobody wants to hear it but that is the way I see it.  It is kind of sad.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:57:58 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!

Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:58:41 PM
Kevin can't even get off the ground, he just tries to shove other guys away from rebounds
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 08:58:41 PM
Man, really can't get anything at all inside.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Who on January 16, 2012, 08:58:46 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
It looked like Doc was just trying to buy an extra minute or two rest for Kevin Garnett before bringing him back in.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 16, 2012, 08:58:57 PM
What is wrong with Paul Pierce?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 08:59:10 PM
Perk doing very little tonight. Watching pierce try to jump is very sad.  7 blocks for OKC already.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
Pierce, please don't drive. You are old and slow.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 08:59:28 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 16, 2012, 08:59:44 PM
What is wrong with Paul Pierce?
he's working himself into shape.  He dedicated most of his offseason to rallying the troops against the evil owners... then got injured and missed all of training camp.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 08:59:52 PM
What is wrong with Paul Pierce?

He's immobile
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
meh...fools gold
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 09:00:47 PM
How long will it take the captain to get in shape?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
this team can't get one freakin stop
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:01:33 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!
It looked like Doc was just trying to buy an extra minute or two rest for Kevin Garnett before bringing him back in.

Exactly....that is why they have no one behind Kevin G, and probably why no one wants to come here,,they know doc won't play them.....he is a closed minded type.

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:01:34 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!

Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.

Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:02:11 PM
Like Pierce taking advantage of that mismatch.  Need to try to get those more often -- it's the only way our players can have an offensive advantage.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 09:02:21 PM
I get Pierce's strategy. He can play hard for bout 10 minutes. Game.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 09:02:55 PM
lol aint that cute, Pierce showin us a little somethin while the OKC defense takes a nap before Halftime
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!

Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.

Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.

Yep.

Looking forward to the rebuild!  :D
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:02:58 PM
How long will it take the captain to get in shape?
if no injury on the path there..late Feb, md march.....i think.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: hpantazo on January 16, 2012, 09:03:02 PM
signs of life from the captain
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 16, 2012, 09:03:25 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!

Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.

Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.

He's a bum.  Had a couple good games, because nobody had ever heard of him before and he was able to take advantage of that.

Brandon Hunter > Stiemer
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 09:03:37 PM
lockout was no reason to let youself go and get out of shape....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: hpantazo on January 16, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
gotta say, the best part about having JO on the team is that we get a free full time out every time he goes to the FT line
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Casperian on January 16, 2012, 09:04:54 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?

How many of those rookies Doc never played made in on other teams?

People said the same thing about Doc during the Jefferson/Green years, and how many of those guys are still in the league?

Doc plays talented rookies.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 09:05:05 PM
stiemer = bum ...........junk nobody else wanted...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 16, 2012, 09:05:23 PM
2 turnovers to end the half...great job celtics!!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 16, 2012, 09:06:08 PM
Ray Allen has been a turnover machine tonight.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: syfy9 on January 16, 2012, 09:06:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgIdaBK4GqQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgIdaBK4GqQ)

~Go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleeeeep little baby pierce~
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 09:06:28 PM
C's willcomeback and take this game...

as I duck a lightening bolt ;D
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:06:34 PM
lockout was no reason to let youself go and get out of shape....
EXACTLY...i thought being a pro means being READY to go...especially for that $$$..all the 10000 players i knew that played AFTER work..wouldn't let themselves get out of shape out of pride.....they knew they would get chumped on the court otherwise..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: hpantazo on January 16, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
2 turnovers to end the half...great job celtics!!!

how many times have we thrown lead passes where the guy on the receiving end stops moving? come on guys!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:07:39 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?

How many of those rookies Doc never played made in on other teams?

People said the same thing about Doc during the Jefferson/Green years, and how many of those guys are still in the league?

Doc plays talented rookies.



Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career.  To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 09:08:49 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!

Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.

Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.

Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Gomes, Allen, West.   Did I forget anyone?  He is not known for breaking a rookie's confidence.  He develops players with talent. 
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 09:09:42 PM
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
Well, you can say all you want..if you like docs style..so be it...I don't....and i think HE has a lot to do with why no one wants to come here.....steamer has always shown good things to me......also.....you see these other teams showing off their rookies that THEY drafted....who drafted these guys.....you draft them, you play them..or you die with old guys.....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 09:10:24 PM
I am unsure if the C's will be able to improve appreciably this year, but I would bet my left arm that Pierce will return to form.  Patience on Pierce -- not sure about the team.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: hpantazo on January 16, 2012, 09:10:54 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!

Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.

Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.

Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Gomes, Allen, West.   Did I forget anyone?  He is not known for breaking a rookie's confidence.  He develops players with talent. 

I believe Doc plays guys who earn playing time in practice. We don't see what goes on in the practices day in and day out.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:11:33 PM
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.
and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:11:38 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?

How many of those rookies Doc never played made in on other teams?

People said the same thing about Doc during the Jefferson/Green years, and how many of those guys are still in the league?

Doc plays talented rookies.


So you are saying Danny has been doing a bad job at GM???
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
The C's and the league say often how the celts don't practice much....especially during the year....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on January 16, 2012, 09:12:36 PM
wonder where Rondo is today? anyway I like the way Pierce is playing today our rebounding aint as bad as it has been the past few games this game is within striking distance let's crank it up in the 2nd half
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: hpantazo on January 16, 2012, 09:12:54 PM
Well, you can say all you want..if you like docs style..so be it...I don't....and i think HE has a lot to do with why no one wants to come here.....steamer has always shown good things to me......also.....you see these other teams showing off their rookies that THEY drafted....who drafted these guys.....you draft them, you play them..or you die with old guys.....

handing guys playing time just because you drafted them or because you think they have potential is not a good reason. All players in the NBA have talent. Guys should learn to work hard and earn playing time through hard work and consistency, not because they showed up to the gym.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:14:26 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!
Exactly...no matter who you are, as a player....you still want the coaches approval..getting pulled after 1 mistake is no way to build a team...who on our team would be on the floor if that was applied to all....?

How many of those rookies Doc never played made in on other teams?

People said the same thing about Doc during the Jefferson/Green years, and how many of those guys are still in the league?

Doc plays talented rookies.



Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career.  To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.

TP..because I agree..!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: MF Doom on January 16, 2012, 09:15:32 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!

Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.

Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.

Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Gomes, Allen, West.   Did I forget anyone?  He is not known for breaking a rookie's confidence.  He develops players with talent. 



It would have been hard not to play those rookies when everyone else on the team was either a rookie (or in their 2nd, 3rd year) or simply sucked with the exception of Pierce. Docs problem is that he rides the "big three" every game. That wouldn't be a problem if they were five years younger
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Casperian on January 16, 2012, 09:17:49 PM

Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career.  To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.

Gerald Green´s problem is not a lack of confidence. Orien Greene isn´t out of the league because of a lack of confidence.

Stiemsma is 26 and was cut before, JJJ and Moore were drafted late in a pretty weak draft. I think the rational answer why Doc doesn´t play them is simply because they´re not ready or a lack of talent.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: MF Doom on January 16, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.
and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......

So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:18:37 PM
Well, you can say all you want..if you like docs style..so be it...I don't....and i think HE has a lot to do with why no one wants to come here.....steamer has always shown good things to me......also.....you see these other teams showing off their rookies that THEY drafted....who drafted these guys.....you draft them, you play them..or you die with old guys.....

i often wonder how it would be as a rookie in practice going up against these 5 starters..their ego's, the pecking order...there is POLTICS at every job.....

handing guys playing time just because you drafted them or because you think they have potential is not a good reason. All players in the NBA have talent. Guys should learn to work hard and earn playing time through hard work and consistency, not because they showed up to the gym.

i often wonder how it would be as a rookie in practice going up against these 5 starters..their ego's, the pecking order...there is POLTICS at every job.....
i would imagine they do more than just show up to the gym..but, as a coach..you get out what you put in.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 09:18:45 PM
Seems like most NBA talking heads expect the C's to get it together eventually. Why is this? Living on past experiences or are they just naive.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Casperian on January 16, 2012, 09:19:38 PM

So you are saying Danny has been doing a bad job at GM???

No
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 09:20:47 PM
I believe the Celtics AND Doc are questioning the contract extension he received.  

Doc's refusal to let younger plays play when it's OBVIOUS this team needs a jolt, and only doing so in short bursts of time, is sickening to watch.  It's like I'm watching KC Jones run this team into the grave...

Doc simply cannot be this team's coach moving forward if the idea is retool next season...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:21:28 PM
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.
and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......

So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player

You are more than welcome to have your opinion. I have seen his game, in the LIMITED time he was out there. It is what i like to see from a player, the movement, the follow the play / ball till it is in the other teams  possesion....he has plenty to offer...he needs more time on the floor.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
Bass is 0/3.  Pierce the only player in double figures with 11 ugly ones.

Matter of time...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:23:16 PM

Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career.  To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.

Gerald Green´s problem is not a lack of confidence. Orien Greene isn´t out of the league because of a lack of confidence.

Stiemsma is 26 and was cut before, JJJ and Moore were drafted late in a pretty weak draft. I think the rational answer why Doc doesn´t play them is simply because they´re not ready or a lack of talent.

Certainly there are players who have plenty confidence; however, their poor development could still be attributed to other factors, like the team not doing a great job in teaching them the right way to play.

You're right, though, that some players just aren't talented enough to make it in this league.  But when the team has been almost completely unable to turn any of the young players its drafted / acquired recently into rotation contributors, you have to wonder who that falls on.  Other teams are able to find contributors even late in the draft.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:23:21 PM
I've never seen a player play less than Steamer tonight. I guarantee you won't see him again unless it's garbage time.

Stiemer had a good start, but I think we're starting to see why he got cut by other teams.

I've seen a guy who lost his confidence in the Doc Rivers rookie dog house. One mistake in your 2 minute court run and you are done!!!

Well, losing confidence easily is part of what makes it hard for a player to stick in a rotation.

Breaking a rookies confidence is what Doc is known for.

Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Gomes, Allen, West.   Did I forget anyone?  He is not known for breaking a rookie's confidence.  He develops players with talent. 



It would have been hard not to play those rookies when everyone else on the team was either a rookie (or in their 2nd, 3rd year) or simply sucked with the exception of Pierce. Docs problem is that he rides the "big three" every game. That wouldn't be a problem if they were five years younger

Doc could still ride the Big Three. That does not mean he has to start all of them. If Pierce is out of shape, let him come off the bench. Let JO work against the 2nd string center. It's what Meadowlark was saying, this is Doc's job at managing roles. Dallas, OKC both have a formula for starting lesser players just to having a scoring punch off the bench.  It could work for the C's too, if Doc was willing to change and the vets were willing to check their egos at the door.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:23:29 PM
Seems like most NBA talking heads expect the C's to get it together eventually. Why is this? Living on past experiences or are they just naive.
Well, IF the Celts are as out of shape as they claim...then they will improve when they get in game shape.....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Who on January 16, 2012, 09:24:08 PM
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.
and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......

So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player

You are more than welcome to have your opinion. I have seen his game, in the LIMITED time he was out there. It is what i like to see from a player, the movement, the follow the play / ball till it is in the other teams  possesion....he has plenty to offer...he needs more time on the floor.

I'd like to see more of Stiemsma. I think his performances have been pretty mixed so far but he has shown enough promise to deserve more court time.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 09:24:08 PM
If that 18 foot jumper by Bass isn't falling he's invisible on the floor.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Tgro on January 16, 2012, 09:24:23 PM
Bass is 0/3.  Pierce the only player in double figures with 11 ugly ones.

Matter of time...

Feels close to being a good effort and little things keep rearing their ugly heads. I'm hoping we hang in there. I've seen a bit more in a losing effort so far. We just have to tighten up just a bit more.

I'm still optimistic about this game.  
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:24:58 PM
JO doesn't look sturdy enough to keep taking charges.  He winces after every charge he takes.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:25:31 PM
Nice hustle by JO there.  We need more of that.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 09:25:53 PM
Using Pierce's newfound um...mass?

Get it to Pierce in the post!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:26:01 PM
Durant just makes it look so easy.  He also make Pierce look tiny.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 09:26:20 PM
Seems like most NBA talking heads expect the C's to get it together eventually. Why is this? Living on past experiences or are they just naive.
Well, IF the Celts are as out of shape as they claim...then they will improve when they get in game shape.....

Hopefully, I really think it's more than that though.

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:26:22 PM
Rondo needs to DUNK that.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 09:26:49 PM
I'm tired of seeing Rondo pass up layups! The C's need points!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:26:52 PM
Everybody on this team other than Pierce seems afraid to even try to score at the rim.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2012, 09:27:37 PM
Right, passing a layup is _not_ good offense.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
Stiemsma can do one thing. Block shots. Probably shouldn't even be in th league.
and rebound, and hit that 10 footer consistantly...you saw that, and box out, and follow shots, and give a good pic so rondo can drive the lane......

So can a hundred other guys in the league. Face it, the guy is a bellow average player

You are more than welcome to have your opinion. I have seen his game, in the LIMITED time he was out there. It is what i like to see from a player, the movement, the follow the play / ball till it is in the other teams  possesion....he has plenty to offer...he needs more time on the floor.

I'd like to see more of Stiemsma. I think his performances have been pretty mixed so far but he has shown enough promise to deserve more court time.

TP, I think so also..other teams like indiana killed us because they all stayed with the ball..they didn't run as soon as the shot was up..steamer stays in there...ya gotta dig like a hockey player to get that ball....and keep at it......!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:27:57 PM
I'm liking the rebounding to start the half.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 16, 2012, 09:29:00 PM
Keep it close, C's!!

Go to work, Captain! :)
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: RayAllen4Three on January 16, 2012, 09:29:09 PM
Did KG just hit the boards? I think I'm seeing things  :o
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 09:29:20 PM
1 point game..

Is this the usual 3rd quarter run we go on where we get within 1 then it balloons back to 10+ because we're too tired to build on it?

I really hope not.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 09:29:21 PM
OKC has to be disappointed in their bigs. Not getting contender level contributions from them. 
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2012, 09:29:51 PM
I'm liking the rebounding to start the half.
Butbutbutbut... we NEED Stiemsma. Because, you know, without Stiemsma this team can't play!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
Ponce de Leon with the half time speech.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 09:31:33 PM
let's see how long this run lasts.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:31:38 PM
sometimes i think i am talking to a few 12 year olds here....SOME.....not all.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:32:57 PM
only down 3....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: JoT on January 16, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Right, passing a layup is _not_ good offense.
I can't stand when he does that.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
KG with the finger roll.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:34:22 PM
KG with a dumb, dumb decision.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 09:34:22 PM
What a horrible pass. SMH!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:34:36 PM
pp is coming on.some signs of improvement....all around...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:34:40 PM
I never thought Perk was a great shot blocker.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 09:34:46 PM
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:

"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."

WHAT???????????????  Spoken by a true loser....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
Getting points in the paint so let's keep taking jumpshots.  ::)
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 09:35:51 PM
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:

"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."

WHAT???????????????  Spoken by a true loser....
well it's not like he's had the experience of winning to know that feels a lot better  ;)
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 09:36:01 PM
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:

"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."

WHAT???????????????  Spoken by a true loser....

C-Webb apparently doesn't get laid much.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2012, 09:36:28 PM
sometimes i think i am talking to a few 12 year olds here....SOME.....not all.
And sometimes we think that it's 12 year olds talking to us.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 09:36:57 PM
pp is coming on.some signs of improvement....all around...
started looking better before halftime.  hope this is the sign his conditioning is turning the corner.

on the other hand, JO still looks totally cooked on O
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Tgro on January 16, 2012, 09:37:26 PM
Usually by now we're really depressed. Not feeling that yet....

So....that must be optimism!

Go Celtics!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:38:17 PM
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:

"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."

WHAT???????????????  Spoken by a true loser....

Spoken like a guy who played 15 years in the league for 5 different teams.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 09:39:18 PM
Nice effort by JO...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 09:39:30 PM
It's the walking dead of JO!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Who on January 16, 2012, 09:40:15 PM
Jermaine O'Neal looking a little better tonight.

I'd say part of that is getting to play against Kendrick Perkins ... a very limited athlete + limited offensive player who doesn't test him much on the defensive end.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:40:35 PM
pp is coming on.some signs of improvement....all around...
started looking better before halftime.  hope this is the sign his conditioning is turning the corner.

on the other hand, JO still looks totally cooked on O
PP might have made a big mistake in the preseason..but he is a proud warrior..he will come back, same with ray and kg...oneal....never know with him..sometimes he does great things....wish he could have a BIG game...25 and 12 or something....and not get hurt....any injury would kill us...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 09:40:45 PM
Yay, we got good JO tonight.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Casperian on January 16, 2012, 09:40:47 PM

Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career.  To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.

Gerald Green´s problem is not a lack of confidence. Orien Greene isn´t out of the league because of a lack of confidence.

Stiemsma is 26 and was cut before, JJJ and Moore were drafted late in a pretty weak draft. I think the rational answer why Doc doesn´t play them is simply because they´re not ready or a lack of talent.

Certainly there are players who have plenty confidence; however, their poor development could still be attributed to other factors, like the team not doing a great job in teaching them the right way to play.

You're right, though, that some players just aren't talented enough to make it in this league.  But when the team has been almost completely unable to turn any of the young players its drafted / acquired recently into rotation contributors, you have to wonder who that falls on.  Other teams are able to find contributors even late in the draft.

I agree, but it doesn´t fall on Doc. In the last years, we always drafted late in the lottery, finding a gem there is pretty much hit-or-miss. We did draft some ok players, like Bill Walker in the second round, and Doc played them. A lot of us still like Semih Erden, who was drafted at #60.

It´s the rookies job to force the coach to play them, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:41:12 PM
Bass would really fool a defense if he ever rolled after the pick.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 09:41:18 PM
Jermaine O'Neal looking a little better tonight.

I'd say part of that is getting to play against Kendrick Perkins ... a very limited athlete + limited offensive player who doesn't test him much on the defensive end.

That's a lot of blasphemy packed into such a short post.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 09:41:26 PM
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:

"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."

WHAT???????????????  Spoken by a true loser....

Spoken like a guy who played 15 years in the league for 5 different teams.
what do you expect from a guy who was traded for a Penny before he even played a game   ;D
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:41:46 PM
Good lord . . . tie the game and then let THAT happen.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
Stupid comment of the night by Chris Webber:

"No better feeling than getting a dunk against the team you used to play in their building...No better feeling."

WHAT???????????????  Spoken by a true loser....

I don't see the problem. If the team dumps you, you're going to like doing well against them.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 09:42:41 PM
Beer break
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: syfy9 on January 16, 2012, 09:43:32 PM
Good job guys, stealing KD's shoe! We need all the Thunder TOs we can get!

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?

Doc Rivers small ball. :'(
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 09:44:04 PM
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?

Because this isn't little league where everyone gets a turn...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:44:29 PM

Part of what helps a player turn into a legitimate NBA player is playing time and positively reinforced development early on in their career.  To some extent, if you treat a player like a scrub early in their career, that's what they're going to be.

Gerald Green´s problem is not a lack of confidence. Orien Greene isn´t out of the league because of a lack of confidence.

Stiemsma is 26 and was cut before, JJJ and Moore were drafted late in a pretty weak draft. I think the rational answer why Doc doesn´t play them is simply because they´re not ready or a lack of talent.

Certainly there are players who have plenty confidence; however, their poor development could still be attributed to other factors, like the team not doing a great job in teaching them the right way to play.

You're right, though, that some players just aren't talented enough to make it in this league.  But when the team has been almost completely unable to turn any of the young players its drafted / acquired recently into rotation contributors, you have to wonder who that falls on.  Other teams are able to find contributors even late in the draft.

I agree, but it doesn´t fall on Doc. In the last years, we always drafted late in the lottery, finding a gem there is pretty much hit-or-miss. We did draft some ok players, like Bill Walker in the second round, and Doc played them. A lot of us still like Semih Erden, who was drafted at #60.

It´s the rookies job to force the coach to play them, not the other way around.

That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.

The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great. 

Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:44:58 PM
Rondo's trying to do just a little bit too much.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 09:45:12 PM
man, Rondo cannot get a foul on those drives.  how is that?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 09:45:18 PM
Typical. Rondo just doesn't get the calls Rose and Westbrook do.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:45:22 PM
Seems like when our offense gets going a bit, our defense goes out the window.  Used to be, our defense fed our offense.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:46:08 PM
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?

Because this isn't little league where everyone gets a turn...

Problem is Doc thinks this is an over 40 league.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: syfy9 on January 16, 2012, 09:46:43 PM
Rajon Rondo : The Sharpshooter. Air balling a literally WIDE open jumper.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 09:47:15 PM
Back to a 10 point lead...just like that.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:47:20 PM
Man, our ballhandlers have been incredibly sloppy tonight.

Also, seeing KG and JO get dominated inside by Nick Collison is just depressing.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 09:47:32 PM
Doesn't matter how hard they play when they turn it over every other possession.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 09:47:33 PM
Keep turning it over Pierce.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
How is it a 10 point game right now?!

Felt like the Celtics were playing really well and yet you look at the scoreboard and it isn't close.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 09:47:53 PM
The last 2 minutes have just been disgusting.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:48:01 PM
No true back up pg. This happens every game.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 09:48:01 PM
just as I start optimistically thinking the C's could steal this game, they're back down by 10 in a couple of minutes
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2012, 09:48:17 PM
man, Rondo cannot get a foul on those drives.  how is that?
Maybe he shouldn't try to drive through three people?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 09:48:39 PM
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?

Because this isn't little league where everyone gets a turn...

Problem is Doc thinks this is an over 40 league.

Stiemsma isn't exactly the kind of player that deserves a whole bunch of playing time.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:48:58 PM
That might be another thing to consider here, with my man steamer....we AREN't Gonna sign any major center this year....if you don't play Steamer and get him confident and seasoned..WHAT will you do if we have a major injury to a big..?

Because this isn't little league where everyone gets a turn...
No, really, I mean...lets talk our team, and the bigs we have...no "fantasy" where we say we'll just sign howard then....really....at least play him vs lesser teams....well, that is what I would do. But I have a real time mind set.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: hpantazo on January 16, 2012, 09:49:06 PM
how many times have we had our pocket picked tonight? Sheesh!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:49:09 PM
Down by 10 after playing, probably, the best 3 quarters they've played this season against decent competition.

That says a lot.

:-\
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2012, 09:49:21 PM
No true back up pg. This happens every game.
Half of those turnovers were by your true PG. I guess that doesn't help either.
Title: R e: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 09:49:39 PM
soo apparently its become tradition for Pierce to ruin our chances at winning while Ray takes his late-game break
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 09:49:47 PM
1 point game..

Is this the usual 3rd quarter run we go on where we get within 1 then it balloons back to 10+ because we're too tired to build on it?

I really hope not.

Same s***...different game.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 09:49:58 PM
Down 10 and the thunder have played like crap. Harden has been atrocious. Nice 7 points for Perk in the third quarter. JO having the game he will have every sixth or seventh game this year.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
No true back up pg. This happens every game.

Don't need a back up PG necessarily, just somebody who can handle the ball without getting it stolen or throwing it away.

The turnovers in this game have been awful; completely negated the energy, rebounding, and relatively smart offensive play we've seen for stretches that have allowed them to hang in it.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: JoT on January 16, 2012, 09:50:30 PM
1 point game..

Is this the usual 3rd quarter run we go on where we get within 1 then it balloons back to 10+ because we're too tired to build on it?

I really hope not.
Funny you say that because we end with them up 10+.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:50:46 PM
1 point game..

Is this the usual 3rd quarter run we go on where we get within 1 then it balloons back to 10+ because we're too tired to build on it?

I really hope not.

Same s***...different game.


Yup.  Yayyyyy Celtics.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 09:51:21 PM
Down by 10 after playing, probably, the best 3 quarters they've played this season against decent competition.

That says a lot.

:-\

It's the turnovers that are killing them.  The Thunder do not execute all that well at either end, at least tonight.  It's the free points off of turnovers (16-2 advantage in points off turnovers) that keep them ahead.  The steal to KD 3 was particularly damaging.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:51:29 PM
Down 10 and the thunder have played like crap. Harden has been atrocious. Nice 7 points for Perk in the third quarter. JO having the game he will have every sixth or seventh game this year.

JO's offense is there, but the defense clearly isn't . .. no excuse for letting Perk score 7 points like that.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 09:51:57 PM
1 point game..

Is this the usual 3rd quarter run we go on where we get within 1 then it balloons back to 10+ because we're too tired to build on it?

I really hope not.
Funny you say that because we end with them up 10+.

If this wasn't so heartbreaking it would be hilarious. How does the same exact thing happen EVERY. SINGLE. GAME??
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 09:51:58 PM
man, Rondo cannot get a foul on those drives.  how is that?
Maybe he shouldn't try to drive through three people?
true but when he's got all 3 of them hanging all over him, someone must be making contact
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:52:09 PM
Down by 10 after playing, probably, the best 3 quarters they've played this season against decent competition.

That says a lot.

:-\

It's the turnovers that are killing them.  The Thunder do not execute all that well at either end, at least tonight.  It's the free points off of turnovers (16-2 advantage in points off turnovers) that keep them ahead.  The steal to KD 3 was particularly damaging.


The C's have turned it over a bunch, and they've been totally unable to convert turnovers into points.  That's a big problem for a team that historically has scored a lot of its points off turnovers.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:53:28 PM
Well, the bright side of this game is that an effort like this against most of the teams in the league would likely result in a win.  It's just not good enough against one of the top tier teams. 

The dark side of the game is that I think this sort of effort is probably the best we can expect to get from the team, at least most nights.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:54:03 PM
Doc would rather go small than play Steamer. Amazing!!! You are not going to beat OKC with small ball.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
So many turnovers.  Just no decent ballhandlers other than Rondo.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 09:54:26 PM
Given how poorly the Thunder has played, this is a game the Celts really should win. Seriously
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 09:55:02 PM
Poor KG.  What a terrible way to end your career
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
wow, is that what a real fastbreak looks like?  haven't seen Rondo run a break with anyone else running with him all year (except when Bradley was on the floor)
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2012, 09:55:15 PM
Doc would rather go small than play Steamer. Amazing!!! You are not going to beat OKC with small ball.
And you're going to beat them with Greg Stiemsma. Don't make me laugh.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: albas89 on January 16, 2012, 09:55:23 PM
The team goes as far as 1) PP and 2) Rondo go...

I'll be waiting until Pierce is back in shape to judge whether this team is done or not!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:55:29 PM
4-8 after tonight, most likely, but at least the schedule gets pretty easy for a while after this game.  Hopefully they can build off this performance and climb back to .500 in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
The one other thing about our bigs..JO is hurt every other or 3rd game...kg was hurt the last 2 years at 1/2 season....then what...hmmmmm, well, play wilcox or steamer.....and then no one ever really played with them so...you'll have screwed yourself....instead of haveing a team of options..and you could use wilcox and steamer vs the bigs like howard ect for foul trouble....howard gets a mill calls....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Who on January 16, 2012, 09:55:51 PM
Awful end to the third quarter.

That small lineup by Oklahoma changed the whole complexion of the game. The Celtics were unable to matchup properly against that and it put them at a serious disadvantage + had numerous brain farts which resulted in how many turnovers? 4 ? 5?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 09:55:59 PM
C's tallest man on the court is 6'7. :'(
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:56:09 PM
Ray has been pretty terrible tonight.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:56:26 PM
C's tallest man on the court is 6'7. :'(


Appalling lack of size on this team.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
oh great, Ray's holding his shooting hand.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Casperian on January 16, 2012, 09:57:00 PM
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.

The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great. 

Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.

If your point is that the Spurs organization is better at finding talent than us, I´d agree with you, and I´m sure Danny would, too. They´re the best in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough. Doesn´t change the point that it´s not Doc´s fault if our rookies can´t force the coach´s hand.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 09:57:56 PM
Remember when Brandon Bass was money on those shots? Celts Playing as hard as they can, OKC putting up a stinker, and still down 10.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:58:30 PM
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.

The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great. 

Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.

If your point is that the Spurs organization is better at finding talent than us, I´d agree with you, and I´m sure Danny would, too. They´re the best in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough. Doesn´t change the point that it´s not Doc´s fault if our rookies can´t force the coach´s hand.

The Spurs organization is better at finding talent, and Pop is better at managing minutes and getting more of his players involved and integrated into what the team is trying to do.  I don't think it's as simple as that the Spurs are drafting / acquiring much better players.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 09:58:50 PM
Remember when Brandon Bass was money on those shots? Celts Playing as hard as they can, OKC putting up a stinker, and still down 10.

Bass is a streaky shooter.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on January 16, 2012, 09:59:35 PM
ray is looking bad tonight, turnovers by ray....not often.....with less turnovers, we would be in this....didn't ray get that call.....?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: MaxAMillion on January 16, 2012, 10:00:28 PM
People still clamoring for rookies to play? I bet these same people wanted Giddens or Hudson to get more time. We don't have stars sitting on the bench. We have an old lineup that can't play anymore. Maybe the C's will get lucky in the lottery.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 10:01:36 PM
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.

The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great. 

Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.

If your point is that the Spurs organization is better at finding talent than us, I´d agree with you, and I´m sure Danny would, too. They´re the best in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough. Doesn´t change the point that it´s not Doc´s fault if our rookies can´t force the coach´s hand.

I just watched the movie Moneyball, for those who have seen it, the GM can pick up players that fit the system, but can't always force the coach to play them.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
I like Pietrus.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:02:05 PM
Really like what Pietrus gives us.  We've really missed having somebody who can get out on the break and get in position to take a quick shot (and he can defend, too).
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: MaxAMillion on January 16, 2012, 10:02:46 PM
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.

The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great. 

Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.

If your point is that the Spurs organization is better at finding talent than us, I´d agree with you, and I´m sure Danny would, too. They´re the best in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough. Doesn´t change the point that it´s not Doc´s fault if our rookies can´t force the coach´s hand.

I just watched the movie Moneyball, for those who have seen it, the GM can pick up players that fit the system, but can't always force the coach to play them.

You mean like Giddens and Hudson?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:02:52 PM
They really should be ahead in this game. They have played decent defense and OKC is going through the motions. This one is still there for the taking.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 10:03:06 PM
I like Pietrus.

He's not scared to take the shot.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:03:36 PM
this team is basically giving it their best effort...  and we're still a bad basketball team who may or may not sneak into the playoffs...  sad.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: hpantazo on January 16, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
I like Pietrus.

He's not scared to take the shot.

that's an understatement
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
I like Pietrus.

He's not scared to take the shot.

Yeah...and he seems really happy to be a Celtic.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:04:00 PM
I like Pietrus.

He's not scared to take the shot.

This. Good addition. Needs to play more.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:04:21 PM
Pietrus is a little too much of a chucker for my taste but his offense is greatly needed on this team.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 10:04:34 PM
They really should be ahead in this game. They have played decent defense and OKC is going through the motions. This one is still there for the taking.

We could steal this one, true.

Still, something tells me when this one gets down to the final minutes and it's a grind/possessiong game, the OKC has a strong advantage.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: hpantazo on January 16, 2012, 10:04:55 PM
this team is basically giving it their best effort...  and we're still a bad basketball team who may or may not sneak into the playoffs...  sad.

I dissagree. We are getting better every game as Pierce and co. improve their conditioning and timing
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:04:59 PM
I like Pietrus.

He's not scared to take the shot.

This. Good addition. Needs to play more.

Hopefully he will as he gets into shape.  Despite how good he looked early in the game, Marquis has been a net negative with all his turnovers, I think.  We need Pietrus to try to come as close as possible to approximating what Green would have given us.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 10:05:23 PM
Pierce seems to provide nothing that Pietrus cant at this point
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:06:13 PM
Pierce is going to kill the offense again.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: raynman on January 16, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
Another nice rally.. Don't blow it this time!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:06:33 PM
Thabo Sefolosha should not be getting our guys to jump on defense.  Really dumb play by Bass.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
Pierce seems to provide nothing that Pietrus cant at this point

I was about to say you're out of your mind...then Pierce bricked another jumper and now I have to stop and think about it  :-\
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 10:06:39 PM
I like Pietrus.

He's not scared to take the shot.



This. Good addition. Needs to play more.

I wish he'd start and let Pierce go to 6th man. As the TNT announcers keep saying, Boston started the 6th man.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
Pierce seems to provide nothing that Pietrus cant at this point

Eh, Pierce had 19 points through 3 quarters.  He's played fine in this game.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:07:27 PM
Did not think that was going in.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:07:45 PM
Really good defense by Pierce there.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:08:07 PM
I will not get excited...I will not get excited...I will not get excited....
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:08:25 PM
I know it turned into a 3, but Garnett needs to go right back up any times he gets an offensive rebound.  He's too hesitant to try to lay it in quick inside.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:08:34 PM
I will not get excited...I will not get excited...I will not get excited....

hahaha

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:08:51 PM
Rondo with his 5th . . . great.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:08:52 PM
A fourth quarter comeback?  :o
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 10:08:55 PM
Oh, Rondo. [dang]it.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:09:05 PM
I know it turned into a 3, but Garnett needs to go right back up any times he gets an offensive rebound.  He's too hesitant to try to lay it in quick inside.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 10:09:27 PM
Pierce can't guard him.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Casperian on January 16, 2012, 10:09:36 PM
That's true, but the coach has to be able to have faith in the younger players to give him something.

The Spurs have played Bonner, Splitter, Leonard, Green, and Blair more minutes this season than their veteran Big 3, yet they're looking great. 

Pop has played those guys enough minutes that they are confident not just to play supporting roles, but to actually play feature roles at times, which really helps take the load off the bigger names.

If your point is that the Spurs organization is better at finding talent than us, I´d agree with you, and I´m sure Danny would, too. They´re the best in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough. Doesn´t change the point that it´s not Doc´s fault if our rookies can´t force the coach´s hand.

The Spurs organization is better at finding talent, and Pop is better at managing minutes and getting more of his players involved and integrated into what the team is trying to do.  I don't think it's as simple as that the Spurs are drafting / acquiring much better players.

Rondo, Jefferson, West, Gomes, Powe, Davis... the list of young players Doc trusted and who still have a career is just as long as the players he didn´t play and who are out of the league.

If someone thinks he has a better grasp on what these kids are able to do than Doc, who sees them many hours per week up close, he´s delusional (not that you have claimed that). Doc wants to win, and he will play the guys who he thinks can do that for him. It´s that simple.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:09:37 PM
Sad how ineffective KG is inside.  But that was a really nice drive and pass by Pietrus.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:09:43 PM
come on perk, we need your TECH!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 10:09:50 PM
Garnett with another awful play
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
Give the ball away and look what happens.  Chance to tie and now down 5.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 10:10:05 PM
nice 2-man game with Pie and KG there.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:11:03 PM
That should never be allowed to happen. SMH.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 10:11:03 PM
Durant is scary good.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: raynman on January 16, 2012, 10:11:27 PM
If Thunder don't score more than 20, we gon' win this game! Bet on it!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:11:38 PM
KG...indecisive
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:11:48 PM
Hey it's a replay of last year's game in Boston. Except it's Durant killing it instead of Westbrook.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 10:12:02 PM
Catch the ball Kevin!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 10:12:07 PM
I dont have the desire to watch Garnett ever play again.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:12:18 PM
KG always falls away and starts to move back after he takes a shot, instead of moving forward and looking set to grab a rebound.  That's an issue.

Makes me wonder if KG just never really learned how to rebound with fundamentals since he always had such amazing athleticism (and he never went to college).
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 10:12:27 PM
so close, so close.  need to finish this one out smart and there's hope.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:12:44 PM
Really playing as hard as they can. Maybe they can get over the hump. Rondo has been a turnover machine tonight.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:13:28 PM
Durant is scary good.

Yup.  C's don't have any players like that.  In a close game, that's what it comes down to.  Is your best scorer better than my best scorer? No?  Well, you lose.

A lot like the game against the Bulls last Friday.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:13:35 PM
KG always falls away and starts to move back after he takes a shot, instead of moving forward and looking set to grab a rebound.  That's an issue.

Makes me wonder if KG just never really learned how to rebound with fundamentals since he always had such amazing athleticism (and he never went to college).

He's a guard locked in a 6'11 body...he's always been like this, but when the athleticism goes you have to play with fundamentals.  like you, it's becoming apparent he never learned many of them to where they become muscle-memory...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: RayAllen4Three on January 16, 2012, 10:13:36 PM
Kevin Garnett  ::)
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 10:13:45 PM
Doc, ok you got away with it for a few minutes. Now please get a rim protector back in there. Pierce needs backside help.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 10:14:21 PM
Down 5 with the ball with 3 minutes to go is better than I thought it would be.  This despite giving the ball away and missing VERY makeable shots. Pierce and KG missing open 10 footers they rarely miss in the last couple of minutes.

Need to score out of this TO.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:14:36 PM
btw, Rondo is 2 assists and 2 rebounds away from a triple-dub.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:15:10 PM
Ugh, I'm so sick of seeing KG get stuffed and stripped inside.  He has no inside presence anymore.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:15:12 PM
KG sucks.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: ChainSmokingLikeDino on January 16, 2012, 10:15:25 PM
Durant is scary good.

Yup.  C's don't have any players like that.  In a close game, that's what it comes down to.  Is your best scorer better than my best scorer? No?  Well, you lose.

A lot like the game against the Bulls last Friday.

27 or so NBA teams don't have a player like that.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Marcus13 on January 16, 2012, 10:15:33 PM
Is there a worse starting PF in the league than Garnett?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:15:42 PM
That foot may come back to haunt the C's.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 10:15:53 PM
KG always falls away and starts to move back after he takes a shot, instead of moving forward and looking set to grab a rebound.  That's an issue.

Makes me wonder if KG just never really learned how to rebound with fundamentals since he always had such amazing athleticism (and he never went to college).

KG's always been in love with the turnaround fallaway.

McHale did the best he could with him, but you've got to fight for everything you get in the paint, and fallaways are still 2 pts, even as they leave you out of position for the board.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:16:12 PM
well, at least KG still snags those shots out of the air that won't count...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
Thunder are so much harder to guard now that Thabo can hit the 3 really well.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:16:24 PM
That foot may come back to haunt the C's.

Yeah
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Roy H. on January 16, 2012, 10:17:05 PM
That stinks.  Game over.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:17:10 PM
Game over?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:17:16 PM
dagger...  :-\
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:17:20 PM
A team full of murderers. Goodnight.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 10:17:24 PM
Dang.  Figures Westbrook would hit 3s against us.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 10:17:24 PM
[dang], that's unfair. I hate the Thunder and their ridiculous contested 3s.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
Well.  We hung in.  2 huge 3's nails it.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: RayAllen4Three on January 16, 2012, 10:17:40 PM
Too slow to play defense, too old to play O.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:18:19 PM
Good night. 4-8. They tried really hard. They are just not good enough. Now they will win 3 in a row against crap teams and some people will think they are back. It is almost as if OKC was toying with them.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:18:20 PM
Alright, that's it guys.  Thunder destroyed us in this game with forced turnovers and outside shots.

Still, a good effort to stay in the game against one of the top 3-4 teams in the league.

Still painful to see the team struggling to score more than 85 points, and with hardly any inside presence from the bigs (no post-up offense whatsoever).
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:18:41 PM
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
Doc has found his new late game lineup. KG and the Seven Dwarfs.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: raynman on January 16, 2012, 10:18:49 PM
It's time, Danny... It's Time!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:19:07 PM
You know these young teams love playing the C's. Why can't they respect their elders?!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:20:06 PM
You know these young teams love playing the C's. Why can't they respect their elders?!

lol TP
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Roy H. on January 16, 2012, 10:20:31 PM
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...

I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight.  The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 10:20:36 PM
Alright, that's it guys.  Thunder destroyed us in this game with forced turnovers and outside shots.

Still, a good effort to stay in the game against one of the top 3-4 teams in the league.

Still painful to see the team struggling to score more than 85 points, and with hardly any inside presence from the bigs (no post-up offense whatsoever).

Gotta put PP in the post.  It's the best option and even out of shape, the post should be okay for him.

too late now, though
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:20:51 PM
2 games behind the Cavs now for the 8th spot
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:20:59 PM
Well, we're at home vs. Toronto and Phoenix.  And then at Washington.  Maybe a ray of hope??
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: RayAllen4Three on January 16, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
Pietrus is baller
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:21:15 PM
Thunder are unstoppable.  Geeze.


Dont' know how anybody could think the C's have a chance against good defensive teams with superstar scorers like Westbrook and Durant.  The end of this game reminds me of the playoffs against the Heat last year when LeBron was just raining 3's.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:21:32 PM
Pietrus is cold-blooded.

I wish we were good this year. I feel like its all going to waste.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:21:35 PM
Straight killers.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 10:21:37 PM
What the Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.?! How does he keep doing that?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:21:41 PM
dagger, part 2.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Eja117 on January 16, 2012, 10:21:51 PM
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:21:54 PM
Well, we're at home vs. Toronto and Phoenix.  And then at Washington.  Maybe a ray of hope??

Sure. They win those 3 and people will think they are back.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 10:22:39 PM
Westbrook comes in hitting 6/26 and nails a pair of contested ones.  C's can't catch a break.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:22:47 PM
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...

I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight.  The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.

Not about tonight...but about the season thus far as a whole.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:23:24 PM
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today

Yep. Celts played well, OKC played like crap and they still lost. 5 in a row. When is the last time that happened?
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:23:29 PM
dagger, part 3.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 10:23:29 PM
I don't think this was that bad of a loss. You can't play defense much better than the Celtics did on at least three of the possessions that Durant or Westbrook drained 3s.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Roy H. on January 16, 2012, 10:23:38 PM
Crazy shooting down the stretch for the Thunder.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:23:38 PM
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today

This is the best I've seen them play all season.  They really wanted this win.  Unfortunately what I think this game tells us is that the team just isn't good enough, if there were any question of that anymore. 
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 10:23:53 PM
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...

I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight.  The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.

Agreed. C's played pretty well.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: raynman on January 16, 2012, 10:24:09 PM
If Thunder don't score more than 20, we gon' win this game! Bet on it!
Told you so!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: ChainSmokingLikeDino on January 16, 2012, 10:24:33 PM
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...

I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight.  The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.

Amen. This wasn't an embarrassing game. Gosh, perspective, banned at celticsblog for how long now? Do you all realize how good The Thunder are? How good Westbrook is? Are you seeing what he is doing whenever the game has become close?

Does everyone remember just a few years ago? Probably not or the entitlement that we must be the best at all times wouldn't exist. Ugh, makes reading this site so deflating sometimes.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Chief on January 16, 2012, 10:24:37 PM
No matter what, Doc will start and finish a game with the Big Three.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
So I guess we are at the point of being happy with a well-played loss at home.  Hoe the mighty have fallen.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 10:25:20 PM
Not impressed by the Thunder.  Fluky win over a struggling C's team that gave away a lot of free points.

They need better play from their bigs to be a legit contender.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:25:21 PM
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today

Got beat by one of the top 3 teams in the league no shame in that. Problem is C's coincidence is got to be shot now. You start to question every bad play.

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:25:32 PM
Hey, we broke 80 points!!

Free haircuts and pizza from all local boston merchants...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Casperian on January 16, 2012, 10:25:41 PM
Good game, another loss.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Who on January 16, 2012, 10:26:07 PM
Pity they didn't come away with the win but it was nice to see a much improved performance after the recent horror shows we have been subjected to.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:26:22 PM
Hey guys, wouldn't it be great to have a point guard who can shoot?

:D
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:26:28 PM
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...

I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight.  The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.

Amen. This wasn't an embarrassing game. Gosh, perspective, banned at celticsblog for how long now? Do you all realize how good The Thunder are? How good Westbrook is? Are you seeing what he is doing whenever the game has become close?

Does everyone remember just a few years ago? Probably not or the entitlement that we must be the best at all times wouldn't exist. Ugh, makes reading this site so deflating sometimes.

Oh stop with the dramatics. Please. I was not talking about this game in particular. I meant the season as a whole.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: vinnie on January 16, 2012, 10:26:50 PM
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:27:07 PM
Hey guys, wouldn't it be great to have a point guard who can shoot?

:D

I'd take a point guard who could make free throws.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:27:39 PM
So I guess we are at the point of being happy with a well-played loss at home.  Hoe the mighty have fallen.

Seriously. I guess this is some sort of moral victory because OKC is just THAT good and we should be happy we only lost by 9. Give me a break.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 16, 2012, 10:27:43 PM
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.

Moral victories... The only thing missing are the proverbial "Gerald Green had a cool dunk tonight" comments...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Big_Dave31 on January 16, 2012, 10:27:55 PM
Not sure why Jermaine didn't get any burn in the 4th.

Not saying he would have carried us to a win, but, when someone is playing well like that, you have to ride the hot hand a little more.

Besides that, Thunder just hit some extremely tough shots down the stretch, those two Westbrook threes hurt a lot.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:28:01 PM
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.


!!!!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:28:06 PM
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.

First in five seasons.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 16, 2012, 10:28:09 PM
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today

This is the best I've seen them play all season.  They really wanted this win.  Unfortunately what I think this game tells us is that the team just isn't good enough, if there were any question of that anymore. 


Same observation, different conclusion.  They played their best game and lost to a very good team. This happened too when they were at their best.  I am more encouraged by tonight because they played decent ball for 48 minutes, and yet there were a lot of easy misses and unnecessary turnovers.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: European NBA fan on January 16, 2012, 10:28:37 PM
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today

I agree. We were a good game from Ray from winning this one. Pierce seems to have woken from hibernation, but is clearly not in his best shape yet.

I would have liked to have seen more JO down the stretch, so that we could put more pressure inside. He and KG with double-doubles...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
Not impressed by the Thunder.  Fluky win over a struggling C's team that gave away a lot of free points.

They need better play from their bigs to be a legit contender.

They're 11-2, I think they're gonna be fine.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 10:29:12 PM
Pity they didn't come away with the win but it was nice to see a much improved performance after the recent horror shows we have been subjected to.
funny, that sounds a lot like something we'd hear on a game thread from the 2007 season.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:29:15 PM
Hey guys, wouldn't it be great to have a point guard who can shoot?

:D

I'd take a point guard who could make free throws.

touche!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: PosImpos on January 16, 2012, 10:29:40 PM
Pity they didn't come away with the win but it was nice to see a much improved performance after the recent horror shows we have been subjected to.
funny, that sounds a lot like something we'd hear on a game thread from the 2007 season.

aww dude, that's cold.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 16, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
Dang...I just don't know what to say at this point.  We are just not that good.  The offense that Pierce and KG have always provided is just non-existent.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: CelticSooner on January 16, 2012, 10:29:54 PM
Not sure why Jermaine didn't get any burn in the 4th.

Not saying he would have carried us to a win, but, when someone is playing well like that, you have to ride the hot hand a little more.

Besides that, Thunder just hit some extremely tough shots down the stretch, those two Westbrook threes hurt a lot.

Thunder kill a lot of teams in the 4th like that. Westbrook is reaching Celtic killer status.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Who on January 16, 2012, 10:30:23 PM
Not impressed by the Thunder.  Fluky win over a struggling C's team that gave away a lot of free points.

They need better play from their bigs to be a legit contender.

Need a better Head Coach too
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2012, 10:30:46 PM
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.

Moral victories... The only thing missing are the proverbial "Gerald Green had a cool dunk tonight" comments...
Yes, these have been replaced by, "Stiemsma had a great block".
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 10:30:57 PM
Not impressed by the Thunder.  Fluky win over a struggling C's team that gave away a lot of free points.

They need better play from their bigs to be a legit contender.

They're 11-2, I think they're gonna be fine.

They have the 19th ranked defense.  They just got crushed on the boards by KG and JO. 

Unless they dramatically improve their defense and interior play, they're a paper tiger, along the lines of the Spurs last year.

They certainly have the potential to do so, but they aren't there yet.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on January 16, 2012, 10:31:02 PM
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.

The five losses in a row thing sucks, but this wasn't a bad loss, just a tough one. 9 times out of 10, Westbrook isn't going to hit those 3s he did tonight.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on January 16, 2012, 10:31:12 PM
I don't think this was that bad of a loss. You can't play defense much better than the Celtics did on at least three of the possessions that Durant or Westbrook drained 3s.
This right here if we can bring tht type of intensity nd crash the boards like we did tonight we can beat a lot of teams in the league
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 16, 2012, 10:31:17 PM
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.

Moral victories... The only thing missing are the proverbial "Gerald Green had a cool dunk tonight" comments...
hahaha TP, humor is really the only thing that helps me deal with this situation.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: ChainSmokingLikeDino on January 16, 2012, 10:31:52 PM
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...

I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight.  The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.

Amen. This wasn't an embarrassing game. Gosh, perspective, banned at celticsblog for how long now? Do you all realize how good The Thunder are? How good Westbrook is? Are you seeing what he is doing whenever the game has become close?

Does everyone remember just a few years ago? Probably not or the entitlement that we must be the best at all times wouldn't exist. Ugh, makes reading this site so deflating sometimes.

Oh stop with the dramatics. Please. I was not talking about this game in particular. I meant the season as a whole.

And it hasn't been embarrassing either. Look at the circumstances. Did you really expect, given the lockout, the lack of training camp, the hyper speed schedule, The C's to come out gunning to a 10-1 record? I absolutely expected a slow start, a mid-season run, make the playoffs mid-seed and hopefully playing strong enough then to make a run (heck, the 8th seed made the finals last lockout). I haven't seen this season as embarrassing so far. It is still a long burn. I'm not leaping to conclusions on, what, 1/5th  of the season?

But, yeah, I'm the one being dramatic. Embarrassment and falls from grace...
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: slamtheking on January 16, 2012, 10:31:57 PM
Man. The fact that this is acceptable is shocking to me. They have lost five straight.
I'm surprised as well.

veteran teams are supposedly smart.  tonight's game was not played smartly by the C's and I would hang a fair amount of the blame for the loss on some really stupid plays (turnovers and overpassing in particular).
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Swoopz on January 16, 2012, 10:33:07 PM
The Thunder have the best record in the league for a reason. Even if we were on a 4 game winning streak coming into this game I wouldn't be confident of a win. Durant and Westbrook hit some crazy 3's while we blew layups and wide open shots (mostly KG).
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 10:33:16 PM
Also, count me among those less than impressed with the C's tonight.  Pierce looks better, but the problems with the frontcourt and the bench guards persist.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Inside-Out on January 16, 2012, 10:33:29 PM
So I guess we are at the point of being happy with a well-played loss at home.  Hoe the mighty have fallen.

Seriously. I guess this is some sort of moral victory because OKC is just THAT good and we should be happy we only lost by 9. Give me a break.

Moral victories...oh crap.

If we played a young roster and had the game we did, I'd be thrilled.

Instead, we played reasonably well and fell short for the entire game.  That means we're just not good enough now, and have nothing to look forward to this season.

KG looked nice on the boards, though. JO, too.  That's a positive.

Pie looks like his fitting in quite nicely.  That's a positive.

5 guys in double figures.  That's a positive.

Just can't win shooting 39% and committing 18 turnovers (vs. OKC's 45% and only 12 TO's.

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Eja117 on January 16, 2012, 10:34:02 PM
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today

I agree. We were a good game from Ray from winning this one. Pierce seems to have woken from hibernation, but is clearly not in his best shape yet.

I would have liked to have seen more JO down the stretch, so that we could put more pressure inside. He and KG with double-doubles...
You could see improvement from last week and room for more improvement. And you saw that improvement against a very good team that is better and better every week as well.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 16, 2012, 10:37:45 PM
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...

I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight.  The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.

Amen. This wasn't an embarrassing game. Gosh, perspective, banned at celticsblog for how long now? Do you all realize how good The Thunder are? How good Westbrook is? Are you seeing what he is doing whenever the game has become close?

Does everyone remember just a few years ago? Probably not or the entitlement that we must be the best at all times wouldn't exist. Ugh, makes reading this site so deflating sometimes.

Oh stop with the dramatics. Please. I was not talking about this game in particular. I meant the season as a whole.

And it hasn't been embarrassing either. Look at the circumstances. Did you really expect, given the lockout, the lack of training camp, the hyper speed schedule, The C's to come out gunning to a 10-1 record? I absolutely expected a slow start, a mid-season run, make the playoffs mid-seed and hopefully playing strong enough then to make a run (heck, the 8th seed made the finals last lockout). I haven't seen this season as embarrassing so far. It is still a long burn. I'm not leaping to conclusions on, what, 1/5th  of the season?

But, yeah, I'm the one being dramatic. Embarrassment and falls from grace...

I'm really so over the excuses...the lockout, the schedule, lack of training camp, blah blah blah. Are we the ONLY team that had to go through this? No. So did every other team in the league so I really don't want to hear it.


Yes its a fall from grace. FACT. We went from one of the best teams in the league (right before last season's all star break) to now being one of the worst. That's not being dramatic, its simply the truth. Embarrassing? Matter of opinion, but definitely embarrassing to me. I will never find a 4-8 record acceptable for a team with 3 future Hall of Famers and 4 All-Stars.

If this is acceptable to you, great. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 16, 2012, 10:38:23 PM
Its not all gloom and doom guys ....look at it like this...we just inched one step closer to that lottery pick . ;D
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 16, 2012, 10:45:17 PM
I think this is subtly one of the best games of the year for the Celts. I don't have a disaster feeling today

I agree. We were a good game from Ray from winning this one. Pierce seems to have woken from hibernation, but is clearly not in his best shape yet.

I would have liked to have seen more JO down the stretch, so that we could put more pressure inside. He and KG with double-doubles...
You could see improvement from last week and room for more improvement. And you saw that improvement against a very good team that is better and better every week as well.
Yeah, by the time the playoffs roll around, we'll be in top form. Too bad we'll have something like 20 wins though.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: JOMVP on January 16, 2012, 10:46:42 PM
I see a team that can still play championship caliber defense but the offense is lagging well behind.

During this losing streak:

Young/Athletic Indiana team 87 points.
Defending champions Dallas: 90 points.
Derrick Rose playing Chicago Bulls: 88 points.
Young/Atletic Indiana team on back to back: 97 points.
Oklahoma City who has 3 of the better scorers in the league and a pretty prolific offense: 97 points.

Defense is looking pretty good against good teams. Our offense needs to become more creative with the older players, and Rondo needs to take more on himself.

Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: ChainSmokingLikeDino on January 16, 2012, 10:48:48 PM
At what point do you begin to feel embarrassed if you're a Celtic? This fall from grace is tough for me and I'm not even playing...

I wouldn't feel too embarrassed about tonight.  The Thunder are an excellent team, and for the most part the Celts played well.

Amen. This wasn't an embarrassing game. Gosh, perspective, banned at celticsblog for how long now? Do you all realize how good The Thunder are? How good Westbrook is? Are you seeing what he is doing whenever the game has become close?

Does everyone remember just a few years ago? Probably not or the entitlement that we must be the best at all times wouldn't exist. Ugh, makes reading this site so deflating sometimes.

Oh stop with the dramatics. Please. I was not talking about this game in particular. I meant the season as a whole.

And it hasn't been embarrassing either. Look at the circumstances. Did you really expect, given the lockout, the lack of training camp, the hyper speed schedule, The C's to come out gunning to a 10-1 record? I absolutely expected a slow start, a mid-season run, make the playoffs mid-seed and hopefully playing strong enough then to make a run (heck, the 8th seed made the finals last lockout). I haven't seen this season as embarrassing so far. It is still a long burn. I'm not leaping to conclusions on, what, 1/5th  of the season?

But, yeah, I'm the one being dramatic. Embarrassment and falls from grace...

I'm really so over the excuses...the lockout, the schedule, lack of training camp, blah blah blah. Are we the ONLY team that had to go through this? No. So did every other team in the league so I really don't want to hear it.


Yes its a fall from grace. FACT. We went from one of the best teams in the league (right before last season's all star break) to now being one of the worst. That's not being dramatic, its simply the truth. Embarrassing? Matter of opinion, but definitely embarrassing to me. I will never find a 4-8 record acceptable for a team with 3 future Hall of Famers and 4 All-Stars.

If this is acceptable to you, great. Enjoy.


I'll have a blast. Anyways, snide remarks aside, I don't really think it is absurd to see that the circumstances aren't excuses but FACT. And, it isn't ridiculous to see how it has a different effect on this team, and teams like The Lakers, as opposed to a team like The Thunder. I don't think acknowledging realities are excuses, and seeing how that can play out in the long term, not taking the next three months as predestined. All teams aren't in the same boat. To think that is just as absurd as what you think I am saying.  I'm not being all lovey dovey here. This team needs to be better, must improve. But I can see a way in which that occurs. And all those factors that have made the season what it is so far also play into the future. I guess, and this isn't directed at you, never understood the lure of blanket dismissals, all the sucks, and blow it up, and all the outright dismissals that reek of entitlement, that we deserve to be the best team, and the accusations that seem so dismissive of the players on the team, that they mustn't care or whatever.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 16, 2012, 10:52:47 PM
Hey guys, wouldn't it be great to have a point guard who can shoot?

:D


Really, people joke but RR had a lot of wide open shots late and held the ball forever only to pass, you gotta take and make those with the game on the line... heck, just take them!!!! Okay RR numbers were 12,9, and 9... but if you think he had a good game you are blind! He was invisible almost the entire game (even on defense)! Jo is getting rbs (got a dbl dbl) but he left about 10 EASY baskets out there! KG, ehhh. PP came out killing it, my man may be back (too early to call it)! Ray made me mad... he ran off a lot of open 3s and he didn't look himself. Bass was bad. PIE WAS GREAT! Moore will be good once his shot starts to fall he ran the offense well and played good D! Stiems got like 25secs and never sniffed the floor again (he did look bad though lol)! AB, DNP, ty! Quis, looking better, made the bunnies he had been missing!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: snively on January 16, 2012, 10:53:25 PM
I see a team that can still play championship caliber defense but the offense is lagging well behind.

During this losing streak:

Young/Athletic Indiana team 87 points.
Defending champions Dallas: 90 points.
Derrick Rose playing Chicago Bulls: 88 points.
Young/Atletic Indiana team on back to back: 97 points.
Oklahoma City who has 3 of the better scorers in the league and a pretty prolific offense: 97 points.

Defense is looking pretty good against good teams. Our offense needs to become more creative with the older players, and Rondo needs to take more on himself.



The defense hasn't been good; the pace has been slow.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: JOMVP on January 16, 2012, 10:59:56 PM
I see a team that can still play championship caliber defense but the offense is lagging well behind.

During this losing streak:

Young/Athletic Indiana team 87 points.
Defending champions Dallas: 90 points.
Derrick Rose playing Chicago Bulls: 88 points.
Young/Atletic Indiana team on back to back: 97 points.
Oklahoma City who has 3 of the better scorers in the league and a pretty prolific offense: 97 points.

Defense is looking pretty good against good teams. Our offense needs to become more creative with the older players, and Rondo needs to take more on himself.



The defense hasn't been good; the pace has been slow.

Isn't part of good defensive basketball slowing the offensive pace of the other younger/athletic teams?

I've seen some pretty good stops, players making big shots against them too.

Defensive rebounds have been horrible, with teams getting like 20 second chance opportunities a game, its hard to win anything.

The team needs a big that can dominate a game rebounding, and a new offensive identity.

They probably don't have the players for either, which is why I think the team is still gonna struggle all year. But defensively they've been sound.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Tgro on January 16, 2012, 11:16:20 PM
I seem to recall during this losing streak that it was said we could stomach losing under the situation but we could not tolerate the lack of effort. Well, I think its hard to stomach losing just as much as any of the other games but I'll take this effort over others. I hate the loss but I'll take the tired cliche' moral victories. We played well tonight. We had chances. We made it a game. We played an excellent team with a killer instinct. We aren't there but slowly I'm seeing things coming together bit by bit. We just have to work on eliminating the mistakes that took us out of this one. We've just had 5 extremely tough games against some of the best teams in the NBA. This is going to make us a better team when we finally get over this hump. You can jump my crap for making excuses and being sentimental and all of that other stuff but I still believe we're going to shake this off and start playing some good ball here real soon. I'll take tonight's loss over the other ones.

 
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Q_FBE on January 17, 2012, 12:07:36 AM
I seem to recall during this losing streak that it was said we could stomach losing under the situation but we could not tolerate the lack of effort. Well, I think its hard to stomach losing just as much as any of the other games but I'll take this effort over others. I hate the loss but I'll take the tired cliche' moral victories. We played well tonight. We had chances. We made it a game. We played an excellent team with a killer instinct. We aren't there but slowly I'm seeing things coming together bit by bit. We just have to work on eliminating the mistakes that took us out of this one. We've just had 5 extremely tough games against some of the best teams in the NBA. This is going to make us a better team when we finally get over this hump. You can jump my crap for making excuses and being sentimental and all of that other stuff but I still believe we're going to shake this off and start playing some good ball here real soon. I'll take tonight's loss over the other ones.

 


I guess we lost the right way. OKC hit four contested 3's to account for the final differential. To wit, both Dallas and and the Fakers both look very bad in the TNT night cap. Boston would beat both of these teams tonight. There was energy, there was effort. The Celtics did a good job in rebounding. The offense still is not there. I think we will finish 10 (38 wins) to 16 games (41 wins) over .500.... Good enough for a 3 to 6 seed in the East. The Celtics take on Philly or New York and beat them and then we get Chicago or Miami in the 2nd round. Then we talk draft, free agents, summer leagues and trades (rinse, lather, repeat).
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 17, 2012, 12:45:48 AM
I didn't think Boston would finish the game within 15 points, so I guess this was a bit of a moral victory.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Drucci on January 17, 2012, 04:20:45 AM
The Celtics played better than they usually do this season, especially to start the game and on the offensive boards in the 2nd Half. Pierce was better too, also he still hasn't his midrange shot working, but at least he played smart and attacked the rim.

What's so frustrating with this team is that everytime they comeback to -1 or to tie the game you say to yourself "OK, now they will take the lead and take care of business"... but everytime they get to that point you can be SURE they will have a stupid, careless turnover that will break all momentum and give the opponent an easy shot. It is exactly what happened in this game when we were down 1, and KG made a terrible pass that got stolen by OKC who immediately crucified us with a Durant 3 pointer...

Then we did came back once again (didn't expect that, to be honest) but Westbrook hit clutch 3 after clutch 3. He took terrible shots but he made them ; I hate to see one on one basketball get the best of us but, well... it worked...

At least Pietrus had a great game once again. His defense and clutch shots are really a joy to watch, it looks like we finally found our replacement for Posey... too bad he arrived too late. :/

5 losses in a row, 4 at home in a row too, both first times for the Big Three. Ugh!
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: celticinorlando on January 17, 2012, 08:22:43 AM
pathetic...doc using moral victories now..we all need to accept the fact that this is an old .500 team at best. the end is now and it is time to start over
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Rondo2287 on January 17, 2012, 08:26:35 AM
pathetic...doc using moral victories now..we all need to accept the fact that this is an old .500 team at best. the end is now and it is time to start over

Fixed.. Everything else you said was true, but I don't think there was much that was pathetic last night.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 17, 2012, 08:28:58 AM
Isn't part of good defensive basketball slowing the offensive pace of the other younger/athletic teams?
Not all younger and athletic teams want to play at high pace. Chicago is 26th in the league in pace (second in points per possession). Also, not all good defensive teams want to slow down the pace. Philadelphia, the league leader in points per possession is also sixth in pace.

In any case, I don't think the Celtics have made any good "stops" defensively on a regular basis, since it isn't really a stop until you secure the defensive rebound.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Rondo2287 on January 17, 2012, 08:30:29 AM
Isn't part of good defensive basketball slowing the offensive pace of the other younger/athletic teams?
Not all younger and athletic teams want to play at high pace. Chicago is 26th in the league in pace (second in points per possession). Also, not all good defensive teams want to slow down the pace. Philadelphia, the league leader in points per possession is also sixth in pace.

In any case, I don't think the Celtics have made any good "stops" defensively on a regular basis, since it isn't really a stop until you secure the defensive rebound.

I wouldnt use points per possesion as a measurement for pace.  What are they in shots per game?  Or Possesions per game
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: kozlodoev on January 17, 2012, 08:33:52 AM
Isn't part of good defensive basketball slowing the offensive pace of the other younger/athletic teams?
Not all younger and athletic teams want to play at high pace. Chicago is 26th in the league in pace (second in points per possession). Also, not all good defensive teams want to slow down the pace. Philadelphia, the league leader in points per possession is also sixth in pace.

In any case, I don't think the Celtics have made any good "stops" defensively on a regular basis, since it isn't really a stop until you secure the defensive rebound.

I wouldnt use points per possesion as a measurement for pace.  What are they in shots per game?  Or Possesions per game
Points per (100) possession(s) is the measure of offensive/defensive efficiency. Possessions per game is the measure of pace. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aj6EWCVWY94.H8WMh8ORtiG8vLYF?slug=nba_com-week3-20120116
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Rondo2287 on January 17, 2012, 08:34:40 AM
Isn't part of good defensive basketball slowing the offensive pace of the other younger/athletic teams?
Not all younger and athletic teams want to play at high pace. Chicago is 26th in the league in pace (second in points per possession). Also, not all good defensive teams want to slow down the pace. Philadelphia, the league leader in points per possession is also sixth in pace.

In any case, I don't think the Celtics have made any good "stops" defensively on a regular basis, since it isn't really a stop until you secure the defensive rebound.

I wouldnt use points per possesion as a measurement for pace.  What are they in shots per game?  Or Possesions per game
Points per (100) possession(s) is the measure of offensive/defensive efficiency. Possessions per game is the measure of pace. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aj6EWCVWY94.H8WMh8ORtiG8vLYF?slug=nba_com-week3-20120116
"Possessions per game" is the measure of pace. The Sixers are first. The

Sorry, my bad, I follow you now
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: BballTim on January 17, 2012, 08:47:26 AM
I see a team that can still play championship caliber defense but the offense is lagging well behind.

During this losing streak:

Young/Athletic Indiana team 87 points.
Defending champions Dallas: 90 points.
Derrick Rose playing Chicago Bulls: 88 points.
Young/Atletic Indiana team on back to back: 97 points.
Oklahoma City who has 3 of the better scorers in the league and a pretty prolific offense: 97 points.

Defense is looking pretty good against good teams. Our offense needs to become more creative with the older players, and Rondo needs to take more on himself.



The defense hasn't been good; the pace has been slow.

  The defense hasn't been great but it's definitely improving. After 3 games we were 29th or so in defense, now we're like 17th or so.
Title: Re: Thunder (11-2) at Celtics (4-7) 11/16
Post by: Overrated on January 17, 2012, 03:46:29 PM
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