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Title: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: FLCeltsFan on January 13, 2012, 11:21:19 PM
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Boston Celtics (4-6) at Indiana Pacers (8-2)
Saturday, January 14
7:00 PM ET
Regular Season Game #11, Road Game #5
TV: CSNNE, FSI, NBA-LP 755/756
Radio: WEEI, WJBC
Conseco Field House
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Probable Starting Matchups
PointGuard
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Rajon Rondo  vs  Darren Collison    

Shooting Guard
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Ray Allen   vs  Paul George  

Small Forward
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Paul Pierce  vs  Danny Granger    

Power Forward
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Kevin Garnett  vs  David West

Center
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Jermaine O'Neal  vs  Roy Hibbert  

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Celtics Reserves
Brandon Bass
Marquis Daniels
Chris Wilcox
E'Twaun Moore
JaJuan Johnson
Avery Bradley
Sasha Pavlovic  
Greg Stiemsma
Mickael Pietrus

Injured
Keyon Dooling  (knee)  out

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Pacers Reserves
Tyler Hansbrough
George Hill
Louis Amundson
Dahntay Jones
Jeff Foster
AJ Price
Jeff Pendergraph
Lance Stephenson

Injured
George Hill (back) day to day

Team Connections
A.J. Price and Ray Allen both attended the University of Connecticut
Jermaine O’Neal played for the Pacersfrom 2000‐08
Frank Vogel was an assistant coach under Jim O’Brien with the Celtics from 2001‐04
Pacers President of Basketball Operations Larry Bird won three championships with the Celtics and had his #33 retired on 2/4/93
Pacers Associate Head Coach Brian Shaw was drafted by the Celtics with the 24th overall pick in the 1988 NBA Draft and he appeared in 178 games for the Celtics averaging 11.1 points
David West and Brandon Bass were teammates in New Orleans from 2005‐2007.

Game Notes
This is the second meeting between these two teams this season.  In their first meeting, the Celtics were embarrassed by the Pacers 87-74.  The Celtics started out slowly and never seemed to get going in that game.  

It was an ugly game from start to finish.  Neither team played well on offense.  The Celtics scored only 25 points in the first half and trailed by 8 points going into the 3rd quarter.   The Celtics were out-rebounded 47-36 and were outscored in the paint 43-28.  

Both teams are playing in the second of back to back games.  The Pacers are coming off a win in Toronto while the Celtics are coming off a loss to the Bulls.  It was the Celtics 3rd straight loss.  

Doc tried to shake it up a bit in the last game by starting KG at center and Brandon Bass at the 4 but that didn't seem to work out very well and I expect him to abandon that lineup.  But then again he may give it one more try or even shake it up with other changes.  Right now, nothing seems to be working, so why not try some changes. Maybe Doc should sit all the starters and see if the second unit can get off to a better start.   

Key Matchups
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Paul Pierce vs Danny Granger
Danny Granger is a tough player who can hit from outside as well as take the ball to the basket. He always seems to play extra hard against the Celtics.   Paul Pierce has been struggling and is averaging 13.8 points on 38% shooting.  He has to snap out of it for the Celtics to snap out of their skid.  

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/act_rajon_rondo.jpg)vs(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/act_darren_collison.jpg)
Rajon Rondo vs Darren Collison
As Rondo goes, so go the Celtics.    When Rondo is aggressive, he makes the Celtics very tough to beat.  Rondo should have a height and experience advantage over Collison and hopefully that will translate into a big game for him.  He has virtually been carrying the team of late but he can't do it by himself.  

Honorable Mention
Kevin Garnett vs David West
There has been a lot of talk about how KG has lost a step and just can't cut it on defense any more.  This would be a good time for a vintage KG game as West is a tough player and the Celtics will need KG to play well to get a win in this one.    

Keys to the Game
Defense - The Celtics defense has been up and down and they have clamped down in spurts.  The Celtics need to work harder on team defense.   When they won the title, defense was their identity.  They need to get back to that.  

Rebound -  Winning the rebounding battle prevents second chance points  and tip ins for the Pacers as well as limits fast break opportunities.   When the Celtics put out the effort on the boards, it often translates to other areas of the game as well.   Much of rebounding is desire and hard work and the Celtics just haven't had it. They were out- rebounded by double figures in their last two games and that has to change for them to start winning.  

Offense -  There have been times when the Celtics' ball movement is a joy to behold and others when they make sloppy passes and just can't seem to get anything going.  They have to continue to move the ball and find the open man.   They also have to hit their shots.  Scoring 25 points in a half just won't win games.  

Start Strong -  The Celtics have been coming out flat and end up in a huge hole at the half.  They always seem to make a run in the 3rd quarter but it seems to take a lot out of them and they run out of steam and fall just short at the end.  They have to come out and play with energy from the beginning.  Averaging 15 points in the first quarter is inexcusable.  

X-Factors
Revenge and Back to Back
The Celtics need to be looking to avenge their embarrassing loss earlier this season.  Both teams are playing in back to back games but the Pacers are a younger team and it could affect them less than it does the Celtics.  The Celtics looked tired playing after 4 days rest.  Back to back games might make for some more ugly basketball.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Celtics18 on January 14, 2012, 12:06:48 PM
TP, I love your game threads. 

Thanks.

And, go Cs!
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 14, 2012, 12:19:49 PM
I hope the rooks get some pt tonight...besides the last 2 min of garbage time.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 12:43:26 PM
Quote from: letsgoblue86 on January 14, 2012, 12:19:49 PM
I hope the rooks get some pt tonight...besides the last 2 min of garbage time.
Indiana has good big man depth. Tough place to get JaJuan Johnson some minutes.

Besides, Doc is still tinkering around with his big man rotation as a whole to find out the best combinations / rotations. He needs to stay focused on that task until he finds an answer.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: vinnie on January 14, 2012, 12:49:22 PM
Here's hoping the old men can keep this within 10 tonight --  :'(
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: ACF on January 14, 2012, 12:51:12 PM
TP. Go Celtics!
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: MF Doom on January 14, 2012, 12:53:00 PM
i want paul george :(
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 14, 2012, 12:53:28 PM
This game has the making of a "show up with fight and pride" or "lay down and die" type of feeling...

I think tonight will be very telling about this team.  Mental toughness is revealed more when you are tired and facing adversity than when the waters are calm and clear...
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: j804 on January 14, 2012, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 14, 2012, 12:53:28 PM
This game has the making of a "show up with fight and pride" or "lay down and die" type of feeling...

I think tonight will be very telling about this team.  Mental toughness is revealed more when you are tired and facing adversity than when the waters are calm and clear...
LOL I've been saying this since the Sallas game and been continuously letdown.  :(
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: FLCeltsFan on January 14, 2012, 01:40:31 PM
The game notes showing Doc going with Brandon Bass at PF and KG at C to start.  

They also said that KG was icing his ankle but is expected to play. 

Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: FLCeltsFan on January 14, 2012, 01:40:31 PM
The game notes showing Doc going with Brandon Bass at PF and KG at C to start. 
Crap ... not again. Start Wilcox or Stiemsma alongside KG if not J.O'Neal. Just not Bass.

It unbalances the whole team.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: green7 on January 14, 2012, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: Who on January 14, 2012, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: FLCeltsFan on January 14, 2012, 01:40:31 PM
The game notes showing Doc going with Brandon Bass at PF and KG at C to start. 
Crap ... not again. Start Wilcox or Stiemsma alongside KG if not J.O'Neal. Just not Bass.

It unbalances the whole team.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: FLCeltsFan on January 14, 2012, 03:10:31 PM
Official Report
Tom Washington
Washington has officiated over 900+ regular season games and 60+ play-off games. The Celtics are 9-1 over their last 10 games with Washington calling the game. At least 2 of the games were poorly officiated. In one of those games against the Hornets, the officiating was very bad and Washington ignored the Hornets attempts to intentionally foul both Pierce and Allen at the end of the game even though he was staring right at the play. The Pacers are 5-5 in their last 10 with Washington as a ref. His home W/L record this season is 4-4.

Derrick Collins
Collins has been an official in the league for 10 years. He has experience in the CBA five years and in the WNBA three years. He has also officiated 7 years on the collegiate level and seven years on the high school level in California and Louisiana. The Celtics are 6-4 in their last 10 games with Collins. The Pacers are also 6-4 in their last 10 games with Collins. His home W/L record this season is 6-4.

Mark Lindsay
Mark Lindsay made his debut in the NBA in 2007 after spending time in the NBDL. Before the NBDL, Lindsay spent 9 years calling games at the college level. The Celtics are 5-5 in their last 10 games with Linday making the calls and the Pacers are also 5-5 in their last 10 with Lindsay. Lindsay appears to be a homer ref as his home W/L record this season is 7-1.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: dwlefty13 on January 14, 2012, 03:39:03 PM
I have this feeling that the Celtics will DOMINATE tonight. Unfortunately, I will be watching the Patriots playoff game so I cannot see if this comes true but I hope it does.

Let's go Celtics!!!!  ;)  :)
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Q_FBE on January 14, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
Man, I think Shirley should be paid time and a half by the Celtics blog staff for all the hard work she puts in on these pregame writeups.

I won't be watching this game as it is played. I suspect a lot of the bloggers will be preoccupied by another game in another sport.

It is an attitude, passion, and pride game for the Celtics. Another non-competitive effort a la New Orleans is not acceptable. I have no rhyme or reason to think the Celtics will win. So on pure emotion, frustration, and anger I pick the Celtics to win tonight. THere is nothing monetary about this pick. It is the inner competitiveness that is driving me to make this selection.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 14, 2012, 05:48:36 PM
I think the Pacers will have more to say about the outcome of this game than the officials will...
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 14, 2012, 05:52:36 PM
What are you people talking about, I can't understand missing the game UNLESS you are AT one of the football games... a little thing called PIP (picture in picture for those who don't know) was invented LONG ago! I think PIP comes with basically any cable/sat. box these days (mostly everyone who watches tv has either satellite or cable these days)! GO CELTICS!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 14, 2012, 06:21:59 PM
Ok.. will it be one step closer to playoffs or one step closer to a lottery pick ......... ???

Go C's

Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: CelticSooner on January 14, 2012, 06:33:40 PM
Very good chance C's get blown out tonight. Confidence is low/second night of a back to back. Hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: FLCeltsFan on January 14, 2012, 06:35:22 PM
KG has been icing a sore left ankle for past two days but will play.  Wilcox injured his groin and will miss at least the next 3 games.  O'Neal is starting over Bass at Center.   
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: FLCeltsFan on January 14, 2012, 06:36:38 PM
Tonight is Pierce's 972nd game and this moves him ahead of Kevin McHale for most games played as a Celtic. 
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 06:43:19 PM
Quote from: FLCeltsFan on January 14, 2012, 06:35:22 PM
KG has been icing a sore left ankle for past two days but will play.  Wilcox injured his groin and will miss at least the next 3 games.  O'Neal is starting over Bass at Center.   
Wilcox can't catch a break

I would have liked to have seen Stiemsma start. Hibbert poses a good threat. Good opportunity to see what Stiemsma is made of.

Anyway, hopefully Stiemsma will get minutes later in the contest and get an extended run tonight. Too many short minutes the last few games (1 min, 3 min, 7 min = last three games).
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: P2 on January 14, 2012, 06:58:07 PM
The situation with Wilcox is getting out of hands. When he is not injured, which is less than 50% of the time, he plays like a super hero: Invisible Man. I think we should really consider dumping him.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: j804 on January 14, 2012, 07:12:56 PM
I want to see JuJuan Johnson dang it Doc play the kid will you?

It makes no sense how Doc continuously doesnt play these young guys yet our vets never get off the floor were LOSING games and they are getting ran down
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 07:15:18 PM
wow, 2 trips on offense and they've hung around to grab offensive rebounds.  be still my heart  ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 07:19:19 PM
PP still looks like he's stuck in mud on offense.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: CelticSooner on January 14, 2012, 07:21:30 PM
JO is killing me. He's a statue.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
Decent first quarter although they fell apart towards the end when the bench came in.

I don't like Avery Bradley out there with Stiemsma, Bass and Pietrus. That combination doesn't work for me. Those three guys need a Rondo out there to help guide them.

The activity level on the boards was better than it has been recently. Although that wasn't consistent. One possession it was there, next it was gone again.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 07:45:21 PM
Watching the Niners / Saints game.  No way am I watching the Celtics tonight.

Have fun guys.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 07:46:55 PM
I'd like to see Marquis Daniels take over the backup PG minutes.

I think the Celtics perimeter rebounding would get a nice boost by going big in the backcourt + Marquis' ability to create matchup problems at the point will help their struggling offense.

Also, in term's of tonight's game  ... with Indiana having a big PG like Lance Stephenson out there, Marquis would be a much better defensive matchup than Avery Bradley is.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 07:48:30 PM
Liking the aggressiveness from Garnett tonight. Going to post a lot more than normal.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
It's frightening watching Ray Allen dribble the ball against Paul George ... especially in pick and rolls when Indy's big cuts of Ray's dribble.

A turnover waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
I thought the game started at 8...can anyone tell me why we're down 9 right now?
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: samantha28 on January 14, 2012, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
I thought the game started at 8...can anyone tell me why we're down 9 right now?

bad shooting
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
I thought the game started at 8...can anyone tell me why we're down 9 right now?

Game started at 7, that's why.  As usual the team appears to think the game started later than it did, though.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 07:53:14 PM
Oh boy, Bradley with another brick.

Jumper off the dribble from about 18 feet on the right wing. Wasn't close to hitting iron.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 07:53:17 PM
Quote from: samantha28 on January 14, 2012, 07:52:24 PM
Quote from: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
I thought the game started at 8...can anyone tell me why we're down 9 right now?

bad shooting

Thanks
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 07:53:21 PM
Quote from: Who on January 14, 2012, 07:50:41 PM
It's frightening watching Ray Allen dribble the ball against Paul George ... especially in pick and rolls when Indy's big cuts of Ray's dribble.

A turnover waiting to happen.
it's been frightening watching Ray pass or dribble the past few years.  he's a turnover machine when he tries to be a playmaker.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 07:54:23 PM
on the plus side tonight, the team showed a lot more energy to start the game, they hit the offensive boards and Moore didn't look afraid to shoot when he had to put one up.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 07:54:39 PM
Quote from: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
I thought the game started at 8...can anyone tell me why we're down 9 right now?

Game started at 7, that's why.  As usual the team appears to think the game started later than it did, though.

LOL!
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: CelticSooner on January 14, 2012, 07:57:58 PM
Quote from: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 07:52:53 PM
Quote from: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 07:51:18 PM
I thought the game started at 8...can anyone tell me why we're down 9 right now?

Game started at 7, that's why.  As usual the team appears to think the game started later than it did, though.

They actually showed up in this half tonight. The offense just isn't very good. Just living on jump shots.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 07:59:24 PM
Hibbert should make Indy more effective vs that zone than they were with Foster.

Dahntay Jones back on the bench too.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 07:59:40 PM
credit to PP for really trying tonight but man, he can't hit a shot other than a FT to save his life
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 08:00:36 PM
Quote
Pflanns Paul Flannery
Pierce missed a layup and JO had his shot blocked at the rim. No athleticism.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:01:13 PM
Second offensive rebound for JO. Working harder on the boards.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 07:59:40 PM
credit to PP for really trying tonight but man, he can't hit a shot other than a FT to save his life


Paul Pierce needs to be shut down for a few weeks while we trains himself back into shape.  He's just hurting the team and angering the fans by continuing to play.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:03:19 PM
Pierce is playing okay tonight. Showing a lot more than in previous games.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
Quote
CelticsHub celticshub
Not enough offensive talent on this Celtics team. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
well, the team got the message to come out eith effort and not dig a huge hole in the 1st quarter.  unfortunately it looks like they interpreted that to mean wait until the 2nd quarter to dig the hole  :P
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: CelticSooner on January 14, 2012, 08:05:48 PM
This playoff game got crazy.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 14, 2012, 08:08:06 PM
Quote from: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:03:19 PM
Pierce is playing okay tonight. Showing a lot more than in previous games.

Yeah, but his shooting is putrid..
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:08:25 PM
I'd like to see a bit more from Rondo. Been quiet.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 08:12:43 PM
Guys, all of the offense is going on right now in the Saints - Niners game.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:14:46 PM
Really good defense there but David West made a tough baseline one handed runner.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: CelticSooner on January 14, 2012, 08:16:09 PM
Quote from: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 08:12:43 PM
Guys, all of the offense is going on right now in the Saints - Niners game.

That was nuts!
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:16:35 PM
Chemistry not looking great ... not helping players off the floor, leaving KG hanging for the hand-slaps at the line.

Looks like a team struggling with the pressure.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: celticinorlando on January 14, 2012, 08:17:12 PM
Down double digits once again. Barf
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 08:20:49 PM
A little better start so far...and more production from Paul and KG.

At least we are within striking distance this time.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:25:12 PM
Need to keep a lid on George in the second half.

Other than that, the Pacers don't have a lot going for themselves. There for the taking.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 14, 2012, 08:33:06 PM
Quote from: PosImpos on January 14, 2012, 07:45:21 PM
Watching the Niners / Saints game.  No way am I watching the Celtics tonight.

Have fun guys.

Yeah...sure.  LOL!!
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 08:39:28 PM
Are we EVER going to get closer than 8?!

I've really had enough of this. Enough.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 14, 2012, 08:46:45 PM
Pierce is embarassing. How much does it take to bench him?
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 08:53:40 PM
Deja Vu....every game goes the exact same way.

Its like a horrible nightmare I just can't wake up from.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:53:47 PM
This is a really bad showing here in the third.

Not showing any signs of being able to give Indiana a run for their money in the second half.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Tgro on January 14, 2012, 08:54:49 PM
JO should be wearing bunny slippers because all he's doing is shuffling.  >:(
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:55:20 PM
Bench the starters for the rest of the game. No point in running them into the ground.

Give JJJ a run out.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: celticinorlando on January 14, 2012, 08:55:47 PM
I don't even care anymore. They are finished.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: celticinorlando on January 14, 2012, 08:58:27 PM
At this point I hope they are a lottery team. Backing into the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed just to be swept is pointless
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 08:58:55 PM
I ordered NBA League Pass today....I wonder if I can call them and remove it without penalty tomorrow?

I refuse to waste money to see them play like this.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 09:01:36 PM
17 shots in 22 minutes from Garnett ... can't fault the effort.

KG has really tried to give the Celtics some low post scoring and more offensive punch overall.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: celticinorlando on January 14, 2012, 09:01:47 PM
Quote from: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 08:58:55 PM
I ordered NBA League Pass today....I wonder if I can call them and remove it without penalty tomorrow?

I refuse to waste money to see them play like this.
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I feel ya bro....I didn't renew mine this season. Not worth wasting the money
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 14, 2012, 09:02:56 PM
But there are a lot of other great basketball teams out there, and some intriguing young players...

To me, NBA LP is well worth the money, even though the C's suck...
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: aporel#18 on January 14, 2012, 09:04:47 PM
Ugly game by the Celts...

I hope the players and staff take some good lessons from this awful start of the season.

Doc should give some burn to JJJ when Hansbrough is on the court.

Go Celtics!
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GrandTheftRondo on January 14, 2012, 09:05:44 PM
Quote from: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 14, 2012, 09:02:56 PM
But there are a lot of other great basketball teams out there, and some intriguing young players...

To me, NBA LP is well worth the money, even though the C's suck...

Very true. I am intrigued by the Clippers, the Blazers and a few other teams at the moment...
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: vinnie on January 14, 2012, 09:06:05 PM
Don't worry everyone. After they lose Monday night they play 3 crap teams and shpuld be 7-8. How many crap teams do they play this year?
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: 33_Larry Legend_33 on January 14, 2012, 09:06:56 PM
Quote from: vinnie on January 14, 2012, 09:06:05 PM
How many crap teams do they play this year?

At this point we could label this "practice."
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: JoT on January 14, 2012, 09:07:21 PM
I think it would probably be best to watch the Patriots because watching this and getting mad is not worth it.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Adelaide Celt on January 14, 2012, 09:07:59 PM
And to top off the 3rd quarter a foul with 0.1 seconds left on the clock. :(



Quote from: Who on January 14, 2012, 08:55:20 PM
Bench the starters for the rest of the game. No point in running them into the ground.

Give JJJ a run out.

This x10000
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Who on January 14, 2012, 09:09:02 PM
The offensive effort tonight was pathetic except for KG and Pierce.

The Celtics were reasonably good defensively and held steady on the boards but their lack of scoring killed them.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: vinnie on January 14, 2012, 09:10:58 PM
4-7 sounds really bad
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
This team is terrible.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: celticinorlando on January 14, 2012, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: vinnie on January 14, 2012, 09:10:58 PM
4-7 sounds really bad
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4-8 come Monday. At least perk will get a nice welcome....this team is awful. No more excuses. They are done....window shut....boarded up and locked
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:14:16 PM
The Celtics have struggled at backup pg for years. Come on Danny.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 09:16:06 PM
just poor offensive cooperation tonight.  no one can shoot tonight and they're getting outhustled
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: celticinorlando on January 14, 2012, 09:16:44 PM
I believe Danny has written this year off. Just suffer through....be a lottery team...shed salary in 2012 and move forward. This team is just lifeless and old
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
I remember when moves I did on a basketball court no longer worked. I think I was 29. Paul Pierce, you are a world class athlete, but old age has set in. Time to change your game or retire.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 14, 2012, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
I remember when moves I did on a basketball court no longer worked. I think I was 29. Paul Pierce, you are a world class athlete, but old age has set in. Time to change your game or retire.

It's really tough to watch him play like that. Did I say "play"?!?
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Adelaide Celt on January 14, 2012, 09:20:47 PM
Down 16 halfway through last quarter and Doc still persisting with 4/5 starters... Why?
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: radiohead on January 14, 2012, 09:22:25 PM
if there's one positive thing in this game, it's that PP seems to be getting his groove back...
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
Quote from: YouCantHandleTheTruth! on January 14, 2012, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:17:26 PM
I remember when moves I did on a basketball court no longer worked. I think I was 29. Paul Pierce, you are a world class athlete, but old age has set in. Time to change your game or retire.

It's really tough to watch him play like that. Did I say "play"?!?


Do you remember Mitch Richmond on the Wizards?  Even worse, the Lakers?
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: CelticSooner on January 14, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: Adelaide Celt on January 14, 2012, 09:20:47 PM
Down 16 halfway through last quarter and Doc still persisting with 4/5 starters... Why?

He wants to try and break 80?  ???
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:23:40 PM
Quote from: Adelaide Celt on January 14, 2012, 09:20:47 PM
Down 16 halfway through last quarter and Doc still persisting with 4/5 starters... Why?


JJJ should have been in 5 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
Quote from: Adelaide Celt on January 14, 2012, 09:20:47 PM
Down 16 halfway through last quarter and Doc still persisting with 4/5 starters... Why?
why?  because it's Doc.  that's his thing

on the plus side tonight.  Moore has looked good in his limited minutes tonight.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:25:45 PM
Quote from: slamtheking on January 14, 2012, 09:23:55 PM
Quote from: Adelaide Celt on January 14, 2012, 09:20:47 PM
Down 16 halfway through last quarter and Doc still persisting with 4/5 starters... Why?
why?  because it's Doc.  that's his thing

on the plus side tonight.  Moore has looked good in his limited minutes tonight.

He's a rookie, so you know what that means. :'(
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 14, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
Lottery pick here we come :D
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: rondohondo on January 14, 2012, 09:28:05 PM
Quote from: SHAQATTACK on January 14, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
Lottery pick here we come :D

I second that emotion!
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: TruthPierce2008 on January 14, 2012, 09:28:53 PM
I am sick of Doc
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Adelaide Celt on January 14, 2012, 09:29:10 PM
From Danny, to Doc, to the players... Just not good enough all round from top to bottom.

Give the rookies a chance for Pete's sake! ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Casperian on January 14, 2012, 09:30:15 PM
Down 20...
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: marshcat on January 14, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
In a strong draft year like this, it might make sense to serious consider breaking the team up. Let's see where they are come the trade deadline, but if they still look this bad I'll take the lottery over an 8-seed any day.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:31:02 PM
I love Steamer's help D.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: JoT on January 14, 2012, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: SHAQATTACK on January 14, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
Lottery pick here we come :D
They might as well go there to me.

The window was shut to me when they lost to Miami last year in the playoffs and now I'm not even mad about them losing like I used to. I do know Danny has some work to do big time.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: vinnie on January 14, 2012, 09:32:39 PM
Another great night. Looking forward to all of the positive stuff in the post game thread.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: green7 on January 14, 2012, 09:34:45 PM
the big era = over

this season is a farewell tour..
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 14, 2012, 09:35:09 PM
there will be brighter days ahead at some point, maybe a few wins  more this year if PP gets healthy again.
Go Celtics!!!
 

Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: BringToughnessBack on January 14, 2012, 09:35:51 PM
Maybe Larry showed West a video montage of him, km, and The Chief getting older and barely competing. Now we know why West chose the Pacers. The crazy thing is we stink, but there are 10 plus teams worse than us. I hope our old classic car is just taking a long time to warm up and that it is not the fact that it is dying and on the brink of death.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
Could not see the game...judging from the box score, it at least appears that Paul got untracked...

...But judging from the thread here, there is nothing positive to note.

Did Paul and the team really look THAT bad? Or is there something positive to take from this?
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Celts Fan 92 on January 14, 2012, 09:37:23 PM
WOW this thread is a graveyard well good news is Pierce nd Garnett aint dead men walkin as they led the team in scoring bad news we still cant score or rebound smh
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: celticinorlando on January 14, 2012, 09:37:32 PM
Lottery pick is on deck. It will be the first step in the rebuild. Sucks...but I don't want to be a 7 seed to get swept by the bulls
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: green7 on January 14, 2012, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
Could not see the game...judging from the box score, it at least appears that Paul got untracked...

...But judging from the thread here, there is nothing positive to note.

Did Paul and the team really look THAT bad? Or is there something positive to take from this?

,beat up on the boards AGAIN! messing open shots same thing that happened against all the good teams
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Change on January 14, 2012, 09:39:28 PM
It all makes sense now. The off-season talk about Rondo trades. As expected Big3 have fallen off, but Rondo hasn't picked up his scoring.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: letsgoblue86 on January 14, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
Quote from: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
Could not see the game...judging from the box score, it at least appears that Paul got untracked...

...But judging from the thread here, there is nothing positive to note.

Did Paul and the team really look THAT bad? Or is there something positive to take from this?
The positive is that Jajuan and Etwaun are legit yet Doc still refuses to play them.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
Could not see the game...judging from the box score, it at least appears that Paul got untracked...

...But judging from the thread here, there is nothing positive to note.

Did Paul and the team really look THAT bad? Or is there something positive to take from this?

Doc went back to original starting 5.

Played them 6 or 7 minutes after there was zero chance to win.

Paul Pierce can not drive at will anymore. He does still shoot the 3 well though.

KG looked good in the offensive post.

Moore looked ok at sg but not pg.

Steamer and JJJ will not get minutes until KG and JO are gone.


Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: green7 on January 14, 2012, 09:42:02 PM
i predict a whole new boston starting line up by the end of february atleast 2 players will be gone
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: aporel#18 on January 14, 2012, 09:42:40 PM
Good night to all... both the Celts and the Bruins lost tonight. I don't think we're going to get a lottery pick this year, the Clippers are doing quite well  ;)

Go Celtics, and go Pats (28-7 against Tebow and his Broncos)

EDIT: 35-7 at the halftime

Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 09:42:43 PM
Thanks, green7 and lgb86 (TP).

Well, if things continue south like they have (which I doubt), then Doc will be forced to play the rookies.

I've seen worse from Boston before.

Absolutely NOTHING will ever top Boston's morbid stretch from the 90's up until the 2000's.

This stretch? As painful as it is, I can live with it. It will get better.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 14, 2012, 09:45:37 PM
PP, KG, and Moore played very well! RR and Ray were playing terrible (RR even more so)! Hope to see more of Moore and JJJ! Moore did well against real Pacer players and JJJ did it against the scrubs but it was still fun to watch! AB was AB, he got outplayed by Moore and Doc rewarded Moore with more PT! Pie was good on D but bad on O but that's expected right now. Jo had rebounds and some blocks but again left the middle open and gave us piratically nothing on offense! Bass was okay. Daniels another DNP. Stiems got a block or two and was good on help D. RR and Ray really put a damper on me today, especially RR b/c he just didn't care with all those stupid passes!
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 09:46:51 PM
Quote from: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
Could not see the game...judging from the box score, it at least appears that Paul got untracked...

...But judging from the thread here, there is nothing positive to note.

Did Paul and the team really look THAT bad? Or is there something positive to take from this?

Doc went back to original starting 5.

Played them 6 or 7 minutes after there was zero chance to win.

Paul Pierce can not drive at will anymore. He does still shoot the 3 well though.

KG looked good in the offensive post.

Moore looked ok at sg but not pg.

Steamer and JJJ will not get minutes until KG and JO are gone.




Thanks, Chief (TP).

So does Pierce just look out of shape? It's hard to believe that he's fell off a cliff since last year.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Tgro on January 14, 2012, 09:47:03 PM
I only seen the 2nd half. Not much to say. We looked old and slow. Still think KG is getting better and Pierce at least wasn't horrendous.

I wouldn't mind it if we just flat out cut JO at this point. The man can't get higher than his ankles off the floor and is giving hardly any effort at all unless a man is standing right in front of him within 6 inches. Otherwise, he can't bother going down the court faster than a shuffle. He really needs to be complete game(s) benched.  

The center of the court is just a free way to the basket over and over again. And I've never seen guys just steal the ball right out of our hands like that so often.

The only positive I can think of is we're nearly through playing this elite team stretch. We REALLY need a really bad team to play just so we can feel what it feels like to compete again. We look like we lack confidence. Big time.  
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:52:40 PM
Quote from: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 09:46:51 PM
Quote from: Chief on January 14, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: GreenFaith1819 on January 14, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
Could not see the game...judging from the box score, it at least appears that Paul got untracked...

...But judging from the thread here, there is nothing positive to note.

Did Paul and the team really look THAT bad? Or is there something positive to take from this?

Doc went back to original starting 5.

Played them 6 or 7 minutes after there was zero chance to win.

Paul Pierce can not drive at will anymore. He does still shoot the 3 well though.

KG looked good in the offensive post.

Moore looked ok at sg but not pg.

Steamer and JJJ will not get minutes until KG and JO are gone.




Thanks, Chief (TP).

So does Pierce just look out of shape? It's hard to believe that he's fell off a cliff since last year.

I guess he could be. I thought he looked good his first game back ,but now he is a step slow on offense and defense. If I had to guess, it's old age + poor conditioning.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: green7 on January 14, 2012, 09:54:24 PM
danny should trade for okafor draft picks and whatever else for him
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 14, 2012, 10:15:42 PM
Our rebounding and TO's killed us.   I was glad to see Moore play  instead of Bradley.   JJJ looked decent in the garbage time.  PP and KG scored some but Ray and Rondo were no shows for the most part.  KG did not board well.  JO did but was poor offensively and Hibbert owned him.

Hansborough might be the biggest cry baby in pro sports.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Q_FBE on January 15, 2012, 12:45:15 AM
Gee, I hope our football team does better in Indianapolis in three weeks than the Celtics did tonight.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: Drucci on January 15, 2012, 05:18:10 AM
Wow, I knew this game was going to be ugly but I honestly didn't expect a game SO ugly... I don't know what was more frustrating, the fact that we could score with (relative) ease in the 1st half but couldn't make a single stop (terrible defense) or that we couldn't score (so much turnovers and bricks) in the 2nd half but got stops...

At least Doc played E'Twaun during the game and I thought he was solid. Definitely more than Bradley, anyway.
Title: Re: Celtics (4-6) at Pacers (8-2) 1/14
Post by: jarufu on January 15, 2012, 07:32:31 AM
ooof!!

this team needs a good montage section to turn things around!