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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Jeff on September 27, 2011, 10:26:48 AM
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I'm starting to get the itch to take a look at our current roster and potential free agents. So help me research centers (the most obvious, glaring need)
Here's a quick list of centers that will be free agents and might fall in our price range (I'm leaving out big ticket guys like Nene, Chandler, and even DeAndre)
Przbilla - is he hurt still?
Jeff Foster - same question
Kwame Brown
Jason Collins
Dan Gadzuric (sp?)
Aaron Gray
Dampier - did he retire?
Curry - probably going to the Heat if he can lose enough weight
who did I miss? can anyone answer my above questions?
by the way, THIS is why losing Krstic hurts, not because he was any great shakes, but because he would be high on this list
thanks
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Is Dalembert what you consider a "big ticket guy"? Kind of on the border if Deandre jordan is.... but Dalembert could likely be had for the MLE
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Is Dalembert what you consider a "big ticket guy"?
yes, I don't think he'll sign for less than the MLE or at least a long term deal that Danny won't give him
for the purposes of this analysis, I'm assuming that Danny won't use the MLE on anyone that he doesn't want to build around - maybe DeAndre fits that description, but I doubt it
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Spencer Hawes (he is restricted I believe, but I like him)
McRoberts
Elson
Magloire
Ratliff
Brandan Wright
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My #1 realistic choice would be Kwame. He is the best low post defender available (well, that can actually stay on the court, unlike Przybilla), and has become underrated as he has become a very solid center over the last couple of years.
Jason Collins may be in a similar group as a guy who is a solid defender, and is undervalued.
I also would love a guy like Hawes, but I think Philly would match anything reasonable for him.
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I think Joel Przybilla should be the top target.
Previously, I felt Kwame Brown was the best option but I changed my mind a few weeks ago after reading reports that Przybilla was doing much better physically and had finally recovered from that horrific knee injury. If that's true, that makes him the best candidate heading forward.
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Przybilla has twice undergone surgery for a ruptured patella tendon and had some minor, clean-up surgery in April.
Przybilla’s knee issues limited him to only 36 games last season with Charlotte and Portland. But the 31-year-old Przybilla said his knee is substantially better now.
“Last season it was probably about 50 percent,” Przybilla said. “I never said anything about that or complained about it. I just went out and played.
“I would say it’s 90 percent now. If I didn’t think my knee was fine, I wouldn’t give this another chance.”
Przybilla was so disenchanted about the chronic soreness in his knee and how it adversely affected his play last season that he contemplated retiring.
“Oh, yeah, there were times when I thought I was going to do that,” said Przybilla, who was selected by Houston as the ninth overall pick the 2000 NBA draft before being dealt to the Bucks for their first-round pick (Jason Collier) and future first-round pick. “I wasn’t playing much and, when I was playing, I wasn’t playing well.
“It was really frustrating going out there and not being able to play to my capabilities.”
http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/article_5f31be5e-dc16-11e0-943d-001cc4c002e0.html
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great research, just what I'm looking for, thanks
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I think Joel Przybilla should be the top target.
Previously, I felt Kwame Brown was the best option but I changed my mind a few weeks ago after reading reports that Przybilla was doing much better physically and had finally recovered from that horrific knee injury. If that's true, that makes him the best candidate heading forward.
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Przybilla has twice undergone surgery for a ruptured patella tendon and had some minor, clean-up surgery in April.
Przybilla’s knee issues limited him to only 36 games last season with Charlotte and Portland. But the 31-year-old Przybilla said his knee is substantially better now.
“Last season it was probably about 50 percent,” Przybilla said. “I never said anything about that or complained about it. I just went out and played.
“I would say it’s 90 percent now. If I didn’t think my knee was fine, I wouldn’t give this another chance.”
Przybilla was so disenchanted about the chronic soreness in his knee and how it adversely affected his play last season that he contemplated retiring.
“Oh, yeah, there were times when I thought I was going to do that,” said Przybilla, who was selected by Houston as the ninth overall pick the 2000 NBA draft before being dealt to the Bucks for their first-round pick (Jason Collier) and future first-round pick. “I wasn’t playing much and, when I was playing, I wasn’t playing well.
“It was really frustrating going out there and not being able to play to my capabilities.”
http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/article_5f31be5e-dc16-11e0-943d-001cc4c002e0.html
I am a huge Przybilla fan, but I don't want to be relying on a combination of Przybilla and JO as our centers. Unless they are getting a third center who can start if needed, then I just would not risk it. The guy just can't stay on the court.
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What about Fesenko from Utah, I believe he's a FA. I would be happy with 2 of the 3 (fesenko, przybilla, brown) with JO as the starter.
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yeah, I think there are tiers involved here
we need ...
1. a reliable backup (Brown?)
2. a 3rd string and/or a high upside risk guy (Przbilla)
3. a flyer on a young guy (undrafted free agent?)
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Kwame is a good defender and competent rebounder, good health, and can run the floor.
However...
He has no chance of catching any of Rondo's passes, and I think Rondo and KG will get together and beat the crap out of him. So...no on Kwame.
Pryzbilla injured himself in the shower, so...no. We need someone with a good track record of health, IMO.
I'm not sure McRoberts is a viable C for size reasons, but he is a hustle guy, relatively healthy (I think), and that's pretty much what we need. Especially with other guys aging, someone to chase down the ball and give energy would be good. Unfortunately, that's supposed to be BBD's job, if he still wants it.
A team can handle an aging vet, maybe two, with a history of health problems, but last season PROVED that gambling on the health of multiple key players is not a good idea when those key players have show, season after season, that their health just doesn't hold up.
I think it's time for Danny to quit screwing around and lock up a key role player for more than 1-2 seasons.
It's time to sign a guy like Dalembert.
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gotta disagree there - I think locking up Dalembert would be a big mistake - he's like a poor man's skinny Perkins and would kill any chance we'd have at cap room in the next season - if we were going that route, we'd have just kept Perkins
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Would rather have Dalembert or Nene.
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Would rather have Dalembert or Nene.
as would I, but at what cost?
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Would rather have Dalembert or Nene.
Nene is not signing anywhere for the MLE, so don't hold out hope on that one.
Dalembert is an interesting one. I think he will be available for the MLE (if there is one), and on the surface he is probably the most talented center available.
I personally have no interest in him. He is all flash and no substance IMO, and despite his gaudy block numbers, he hurts defenses more than he helps. He is one of the worst team defenders in the league, and refuses to play within a system.
With all that said...he could be a legitimate target.
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gotta disagree there - I think locking up Dalembert would be a big mistake - he's like a poor man's skinny Perkins and would kill any chance we'd have at cap room in the next season - if we were going that route, we'd have just kept Perkins
Gotta disagree with this entire line of reasoning, popular though it is around these parts.
There is no ring for "most future cap room."
The team needs some solid pieces for the long haul, not just stars.
As far as Dalembert as not willing play within a system, I'm fine with Doc earning his massive salary and reputation as a supposed great coach w/personalities, etc. He's clearly the most talented, experienced, and physically the best of the second-tier bigs available, and I suspect he would be a pretty good complement to BBD (and his T-Rex arms...).
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sure theres no ring for "most future cap room" but, we are possibly looking at a complete overhaul after this season(although a strong possibility that KG/RA sign on for less)
no point in wasting cap space for an "ok center"
id rather take a flyer on 1year deals for Kwame Brown and Pryzbilla and rotate between JO/kwame/pryz to keep them healthy
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Inside-Out, I understand the sentiment, but you don't flush the next 3-4 years to patch a hole with a band-aid guy that will be overpriced the day we sign him (and has been for several years already)
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Inside-Out, I understand the sentiment, but you don't flush the next 3-4 years to patch a hole with a band-aid guy that will be overpriced the day we sign him (and has been for several years already)
And a band-aid thats currently on recall because so many other people got infections from using it.
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Jeff is right about the tiers.
I'm not enthused about *any* of the choices, but the C's need, at least, two legit centers to play behind JO...and probably to play ahead of him when he gets hurt again.
IMO, we can forget Dalembert as he will command the entire MLE for multiple years. Danny won't do it!
Przybilla doesn't like the C's, he won't sign with Boston. He wants to sign with Portland and he probably will. Besides, he is too snake-bit to take a chance with.
Brown has warts for hands, but he should be available for a price Danny will pay. Kwame rebounds, plays defense, eats space and stays on the court. He just can't catch the ball. He's flawed, as a #1 pick, he's a bust, but as a backup center he's very serviceable! I'd be happy if Danny can add Brown.
I like Jason Collins if we can't get Brown. I don't think he's as good at anything (besides catching the ball) as Brown, but he's not a lot worse than him at anything either. Collins would be a serviceable backup center.
Aaron Gray and Spenser Hawes are good 3rd center targets. I think both are restricted FA's and neither might be obtainable, but they would certainly be worth Danny investigating.
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Inside-Out, I understand the sentiment, but you don't flush the next 3-4 years to patch a hole with a band-aid guy that will be overpriced the day we sign him (and has been for several years already)
Not sure on the flushing by signing a guy to a role-player contract...
...but the idea of "overpriced" raises something that I think I remember Danny talking about early in his GM tenure:
Free agency is for suckers.
Not his exact words, of course, but by definition, it's a bidding war, with the "winner" earning the right to pay more than any other team would.
The version that seems to have been attempted the last few years is to sign ring chasers on a discount, but I don't really believe anyone has taken a real discount since Posey, and then only for one season.
The view from my Lazyboy reclining sofa is that the only real way to build a team without praying - any paying - for a free agent is through the draft by developing guys to play (Rondo) or trade (Big Al et. al.).
Putting a skeleton team out there, again, in hopes of a future savior via cap space just makes less sense to me than signing a guy like Dalembert and gunning for a title in '12.
Trying to sell a "contender" with one-legged rotation players, guys who get injured in the shower (Przbilla), guys with T-Rex hands (Kwame), old guys with perpetual conditioning issues (Shaq, Sheed), or worse, old guys that were never all that great anyway (Foster) sounds more like a band-aid approach to me.
And with the consensus growing that the Elder 3 are no longer superstars at both ends, their minutes need to be watched, etc., the rest of the roster will need to be stronger. No band-aids.
Kwame...Pryzbilla...Foster?...Jason Collins...
As though a couple of minimum-contract signings will assure our place as contenders. Folks, there's a reason they're all cheap!
I'm not a real Dalembert fan, but signing a guy for more than a year and paying their actual value seems better than putting out something other than the best team possible now, while we actually have several stars, for the sake of saving precious cap space, seems short-sighted.
The best, ideal, dream option isn't to poach a star in FA, but to trade for talent (as in the JG trade). Role players and picks for established talent makes sense to me.
Locking up JG makes sense to me. (BBD too, if he accepts a backup role).
Signing a healthy, mobile, experienced Center with plenty of years left in him makes sense to me.
Playing a mix of old vets and young players, like the 1991 team, makes sense to me.
Band-aid minimum contracts or yet more short-term MLE's to past-prime, broken players seems like the way to come up just short of #18, despite having 4 all-stars. Again.
All Danny has done is sing band-aid bigs since '07: Pollard, PJ, Sheed, JO, Shaq...and the band-aid guys that didn't actually play, like Murphy. I'm growing tired of the same problem, year after year.
But that's just one guy's the view from the sofa.
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dannys looking at rebuilding through free agency and poaching a star player to put beside rondo/pierce.....as long as Pierce/rondo are on the team, the celtics likely wont be bad enough to poach a big al/jeff green who they can trade for stars..
wasting $$ on samuel dalembert is what bad GM's do to "win now"....when they are looking at rebuilding in a year
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dannys looking at rebuilding through free agency and poaching a star player to put beside rondo/pierce.....as long as Pierce/rondo are on the team, the celtics likely wont be bad enough to poach a big al/jeff green who they can trade for stars..
wasting $$ on samuel dalembert is what bad GM's do to "win now"....when they are looking at rebuilding in a year
I think we're talking about a different level of $$ than, say, Miami giving a max deal to a near-elderly Shaq for one title.
Still, one [more] title is worth it, IMO. As we've seen for the last 3 years, winning is not easy or assured. As the two decades before that showed, even having a shot isn't assured.
I say go for it when you can.
Of course, my whole thing is predicated on thinking we need a STARTING center, not a backup. I have no confidence whatsoever in JO holding up.
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Free agent centers available don't interest me that much, from the grouping I'd say Kwame Brown. I think trading is a better way to get someone we can use. How about sign & trade Davis for Chris Kaman (throw in fodder to make it work, bradley etc). I seem to remember Kaman was trade bait last year. He's a starting nba center.
side note: our healthy starters with semih looked darn good
we have a very good aged somewhat brittle guy in jermaine and I LOVE the idea of kg playing center with a 70's running style team so one more true center sized guy
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gotta disagree there - I think locking up Dalembert would be a big mistake - he's like a poor man's skinny Perkins and would kill any chance we'd have at cap room in the next season - if we were going that route, we'd have just kept Perkins
Gotta disagree with this entire line of reasoning, popular though it is around these parts.
There is no ring for "most future cap room."
The team needs some solid pieces for the long haul, not just stars.
As far as Dalembert as not willing play within a system, I'm fine with Doc earning his massive salary and reputation as a supposed great coach w/personalities, etc. He's clearly the most talented, experienced, and physically the best of the second-tier bigs available, and I suspect he would be a pretty good complement to BBD (and his T-Rex arms...).
Totally agree. I don't understand where or how this "rebuild" and let's "save cap space" mentality got so big here in Boston, but this is or should be the "city of champions." Every year, it should either be title or bust. Save the rebuilding years for the Sacramentos, Charlottes and Memphis' of the world.
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I just dont think that dalembert really offers THAT much more than someone liken kwame brown to the celtics....I mean we won games with Semih erden starting, we won games with Nenad Kristic starting.
we just need some reliable centers who can defend. and then focus on adding a scoring punch to the bench
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Signing a role player to a long-term MLE contract is generally one of the worst moves that bad GMs make.
I would prefer to look for minimum salary level centers under age 28 who have a low salary more because they haven't had much opportunity to prove they are worth more than because they have had plenty of opportunity to prove they are with no more than the minimum.
There are guys who are the center equivalents of Stephane Lasme and Tony Gaffney, players who seem to be continually on the cusp of making an NBA roster. Courtney Sims, Rod Benson, Dwayne Jones.
At least some of those guys can be an adequate back-up/above average third-string center. That's the sort of player who can be a long-term role player on a string of one-year contracts, starting at the minimum with 8% annual raises. The Celtics have suffered by not finding someone to fill that role and provide continuity on the bench. Maybe Ainge has been spending too much in a homer-or-strikeout mentality on draft picks.
I would like to see the Celtics sign two centers, with at least one who fits the description I just gave. As for the other, well, at this point, I might prefer an established mediocrity who is not a health risk over an injury-prone veteran who is better but likely to miss games.
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find a dude like Nate and we would never lose a game
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we don't know what the MLE will be - and if any rumors of the negotiations are true, it will be lower or nothing at all
if Sam D. would take $4M a year, he might be worth that, but somehow I think he'll get a lot more than that and I don't think he's worth it
and if there's no MLE, this is a moot discussion
of course, I suppose there's always a sign and trade option, ...if that's an option in the CBA
dang it, just get a deal done guys! (owners/players)
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Hey what if (big if) troy murphy returns to his indy days, banging, rebounding and hitting jumps shots? big if huh
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McRoberts is young and active.....get him away from his college rival Hansbrough
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As 2Short has mentioned earlier in the thread .. what's stopping KG from playing center in some rotations and going after PF's, or just "bigs"? I wouldn't like to see him defend Dwight Howard for 40 minutes but if Tim Duncan can move to the 5 as he ages why not KG?
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As 2Short has mentioned earlier in the thread .. what's stopping KG from playing center in some rotations and going after PF's, or just "bigs"? I wouldn't like to see him defend Dwight Howard for 40 minutes but if Tim Duncan can move to the 5 as he ages why not KG?
Doc, who seems to prefer BBD guarding the 5 instead of KG, for better or worse.
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As 2Short has mentioned earlier in the thread .. what's stopping KG from playing center in some rotations and going after PF's, or just "bigs"? I wouldn't like to see him defend Dwight Howard for 40 minutes but if Tim Duncan can move to the 5 as he ages why not KG?
Doc, who seems to prefer BBD guarding the 5 instead of KG, for better or worse.
When KG and BBD play together, the position is pretty much interchangable based on defensive matchups.
I think we will continue to see KG playing a decent amount of center (or PF with another PF playing "center", if thats how you want to look at it)...but they will still need more depth at center in order to handle guys like Howard.
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Hey what if (big if) troy murphy returns to his indy days, banging, rebounding and hitting jumps shots? big if huh
he's the kind of player id like to take another look at(for the min of course)
it was clear last year that he wasnt in basketball shape from not having played all year...and before he got injured again...he did have a couple real good games shooting the ball..I think he had a 12 point game in there
I wouldnt mind running the same plays for him that we did baby...except that he's a much better shooter than BBD
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...except that he's a much better shooter than BBD
That's because the basket is always just at the end of his nose! ;D
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McRoberts is young and active.....get him away from his college rival Hansbrough
I like McRoberts as a project, but I think he would be too expensive. I think he would take close to the full MLE (if there is one) to steal him away, and he is not reliable enough to give that kind of contract.
Although if anyone can ever convince him a dunk isn't worth more than any other shot, he might be a good player.
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None of these guys are very exciting, but Brown would be my choice. Looks like we are going to pretty weak at the center position.
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I'd like to see Joey Dorsey added in the summer.
I think he'd be a really effective garbage man power forward (elite rebounder, solid defender) alongside a highly skilled offensive center (like Garnett).
I love the idea of those two, Garnett and Dorsey, together in a quick lineup. I think they'd complement each other very well defensively (in a quick lineup). Joey as the burly physical defensive PF and Garnett with his quickness, length and intelligence. Their ability to play tough physical defense, force low percentage shots, force turnovers, dominate the boards (Dorsey is a terrific rebounder) and create extra possessions would be very useful.
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I'd like to see Joey Dorsey added in the summer.
I think he'd be a really effective garbage man power forward (elite rebounder, solid defender) alongside a highly skilled offensive center (like Garnett).
I love the idea of those two, Garnett and Dorsey, together in a quick lineup. I think they'd complement each other very well defensively (in a quick lineup). Joey as the burly physical defensive PF and Garnett with his quickness, length and intelligence. Their ability to play tough physical defense, force low percentage shots, force turnovers, dominate the boards (Dorsey is a terrific rebounder) and create extra possessions would be very useful.
I am not a big Dorsey fan (I don't think he has any clue how to actually play basketball), but he would still be a decent pick up as a vet minimum, depth guy. At the very least he will provide them with some beef and an attitude that they were missing at the end of last year.
Another guy I would put in the same group with Dorsey as a vet minimum guy to take a flyer on as the third center is Kyrylo Fesenko (or however you spell it). He is also a big, physical guy, who can do some things defensively and on the boards, but would really be nothing more than extra beef deep on the bench.
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two words, Robert Swift
I'm only half kidding
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two words, Robert Swift
I'm only half kidding
I would give him a look for that end of the bench spot too. If he could get healthy, he could still be an interesting prospect.
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Trade is another place we should be looking.
BJ Mullens, Kosta Koufos, Nikola Pekovic, Darko Milicic (I know, I know), Marreese Speights, Robin Lopez are all guys we should be looking at to see if anyone is available on the cheap.
I mean really cheap.
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Trade is another place we should be looking.
BJ Mullens, Kosta Koufos, Nikola Pekovic, Darko Milicic (I know, I know), Marreese Speights, Robin Lopez are all guys we should be looking at to see if anyone is available on the cheap.
I mean really cheap.
Too much money left on Darko's contract. Three years at $5 million a season. Not sacrificing that 2012 cap space for such a mediocre player.
Robin Lopez would be a good player to target. Probably need a mid first round pick, possibly that Clips pick from the Perk trade, to acquire him.
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Trade is another place we should be looking.
BJ Mullens, Kosta Koufos, Nikola Pekovic, Darko Milicic (I know, I know), Marreese Speights, Robin Lopez are all guys we should be looking at to see if anyone is available on the cheap.
I mean really cheap.
Leaving finances aside, I like the names on this list, except Speights, who when last seen was still a Dunce. I especially like Pekovic: I think he's ready to play a ton of minutes at a serviceable level.
I'd also give Artsiom Parakhouski and that Russian kid from last year's summer league team a renewed look.
Next year's Cs team is going nowhere. I'd rather develop a back-up and 3rd-string Center for the future than add more geezers to the roster.
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Dalambert sucks straight up!
Nene is the best center free agent by a mile.
Of what's out there I'd take K.Brown then Pryzbilla.
Whatever happened to the fat kid we had in the NBDL.
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Whatever happened to the fat kid we had in the NBDL.
He's a fat kid playing in the NBDL.
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Whatever happened to the fat kid we had in the NBDL.
If you mean Tiny Gallon, he was traded to Bakersfield for a draft pick. Some statements by Austin Ainge suggest there may have been attitude problems.
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Of course, Doc could actually do something interesting with the lineups and make the whole Center problem moot...
Start KG at center and JG at PF, run like heck, then pull in BBD and/or JO early. JO's inevitable injury that costs him 25-45+ games doesn't screw up the starters that way, and the uptempo game might make it easier for that rook PF to get some minutes, too.
Once we know how many games we'll have this season, we should do a "how many games will JO miss" poll...that's really what I'm worried about with bigs.
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JO's inevitable injury that costs him 25-45+ games doesn't screw up the starters that way
Once we know how many games we'll have this season, we should do a "how many games will JO miss" poll...that's really what I'm worried about with bigs.
Me too ... no comfort at all in Jermaine being a starter next year.
A 15-20 minute backup I can live with so long as the team has good depth behind him. But not a starter.
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JO's inevitable injury that costs him 25-45+ games doesn't screw up the starters that way
Once we know how many games we'll have this season, we should do a "how many games will JO miss" poll...that's really what I'm worried about with bigs.
Me too ... no comfort at all in Jermaine being a starter next year.
A 15-20 minute backup I can live with so long as the team has good depth behind him. But not a starter.
Right. The thing with the FA options out there is that I don't really consider any of them starters, especially the minimum guys, or they're pretty fragile as well.
I'm not a Dalembert fan, really, but I just don't see any other viable option as a starter in the FA pool, and obtaining a starter-quality big in trade would likely require trading Ray for salary purposes, which I don't like much either (especially if it's a shortened season). It's not time to trade Ainge for Pinkney and Kleine again.
However...Ray and a pick+filler for the return of Big Al might be worth thinking about.
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I'm new here too.
Just came for support.
Hope you can finished it earlier.
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I would love to get Al Jefferson back in green.
He was averaging 16 points and 11 rebounds when he left us.
Utah is overloaded in the paint and we could use his toughness as a much upgraded Perkins who can actually score the ball.
I'm not sure if he's a free agent at the same time as Dwight, but he should be on our radar if Dwight heading north is looking grim. (i think he's 2013 FA)
What would we have to give up to get him?
Probably too much, but he sure is underrated although not completely injury free, and if we had the cash at the time he might be a good fit. I think his defense would improve in our help system.
I'd love him in there with our veteran core.
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I would love to get Al Jefferson back in green.
He was averaging 16 points and 11 rebounds when he left us.
Utah is overloaded in the paint and we could use his toughness as a much upgraded Perkins who can actually score the ball.
I'm not sure if he's a free agent at the same time as Dwight, but he should be on our radar if Dwight heading north is looking grim. (i think he's 2013 FA)
What would we have to give up to get him?
Probably too much, but he sure is underrated although not completely injury free, and if we had the cash at the time he might be a good fit. I think his defense would improve in our help system.
I'd love him in there with our veteran core.
I think Utah will look to hold onto Al Jefferson for another 12-24 months before they consider parting with him. I think he is penciled in to that starting center position there with Enes Kanter being viewed as too raw to play major minutes + Memo Okur too much of a health risk.
So, for the time being, I think Utah's asking price would be quite high and that the C's wouldn't be able to meet it.
I think Utah would be more open to moving one of their other big men. Either Memo Okur or Paul Millsap. Either one of those guys could be available for a good price (bargain).
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However...Ray and a pick+filler for the return of Big Al might be worth thinking about.
I'm not enthusiastic about Al Jefferson, but I suspect you should start with Ray+salary filler, the Clippers pick, and a future first-round pick as an idea of what you might have to send out.
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I would love to get Al Jefferson back in green.
He was averaging 16 points and 11 rebounds when he left us.
Utah is overloaded in the paint and we could use his toughness as a much upgraded Perkins who can actually score the ball.
I'm not sure if he's a free agent at the same time as Dwight, but he should be on our radar if Dwight heading north is looking grim. (i think he's 2013 FA)
What would we have to give up to get him?
Probably too much, but he sure is underrated although not completely injury free, and if we had the cash at the time he might be a good fit. I think his defense would improve in our help system.
I'd love him in there with our veteran core.
I think Utah will look to hold onto Al Jefferson for another 12-24 months before they consider parting with him. I think he is penciled in to that starting center position there with Enes Kanter being viewed as too raw to play major minutes + Memo Okur too much of a health risk.
So, for the time being, I think Utah's asking price would be quite high and that the C's wouldn't be able to meet it.
I think Utah would be more open to moving one of their other big men. Either Memo Okur or Paul Millsap. Either one of those guys could be available for a good price (bargain).
Milsap would be worth looking at, Okur not so much, I think he's done.
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I would love to get Al Jefferson back in green.
He was averaging 16 points and 11 rebounds when he left us.
Utah is overloaded in the paint and we could use his toughness as a much upgraded Perkins who can actually score the ball.
I'm not sure if he's a free agent at the same time as Dwight, but he should be on our radar if Dwight heading north is looking grim. (i think he's 2013 FA)
What would we have to give up to get him?
Probably too much, but he sure is underrated although not completely injury free, and if we had the cash at the time he might be a good fit. I think his defense would improve in our help system.
I'd love him in there with our veteran core.
I think Utah will look to hold onto Al Jefferson for another 12-24 months before they consider parting with him. I think he is penciled in to that starting center position there with Enes Kanter being viewed as too raw to play major minutes + Memo Okur too much of a health risk.
So, for the time being, I think Utah's asking price would be quite high and that the C's wouldn't be able to meet it.
I think Utah would be more open to moving one of their other big men. Either Memo Okur or Paul Millsap. Either one of those guys could be available for a good price (bargain).
Milsap would be worth looking at, Okur not so much, I think he's done.
Al Jefferson could be a very real possibility with the amnesty clause likely in the new CBA. He's their biggest and longest contract so he would likely get the axe. Even though he was already here once, he's only 26 and most likely hasn't peaked yet. could be PF of the future beside (who we all hope) Dwight?
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why do we think dwight would come here?
kg turned us down until he heard ray was comin..
im mean what do we have to offer..and his reason for comin here cant be about money if we want his best ballin
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Money, tradition, coaching, market size, cap space, ownership dedicated to winning, league's BEST set up man and true point guard, defensive mindsets, more than likely an above solid supporting cast, possibly veterans that want to win (Pierce and maybe Ray and KG coming back at reduced rates)
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Al Jefferson could be a very real possibility with the amnesty clause likely in the new CBA. He's their biggest and longest contract so he would likely get the axe.
I can't see Utah waiving Al Jefferson. Under the amnesty clause, Utah would still have to pay Al Jefferson his contract in full. It just wouldn't count against their salary cap. The financial hit would be huge and not worth it in Al's case.
Big Al is still a very useful player who averaged just under 20 and 10 last year and was posting 22/11 after Deron Williams left the club. Arguably the most talented low post scorer in the league. He offers real value to them as a player. A difference maker.
Furthermore, if Utah wanted to rid themselves of the contract it would be cheaper for them to trade Big Al for an expiring contract or to a team that is below the cap for a trade exception. They'd have no problem finding a deal like that.
No value in using the amnesty clause on Big Al for Utah.
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As I think it over, maybe we don't need a Center after all...
If KG starts at C, and JO backs him up, with BBD the emergency #3 Center, then is C really a position of need after all?
If KG starts at C, should we be looking at potential Free Agent Power Forwards? Who's on that list?
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KG doesn't like playing C folks. He likes shooting jumpers.
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KG doesn't like playing C folks. He likes shooting jumpers.
actually that makes him like every other center in the league that tries to score except for Dwight.
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I wasn't too high on Kwame Brown before, but surely after reading the bit that Kobe said about playing with Kwame in LA during that interview, there is no way at all that I'd take Kwame on the Celtics, perhaps even for the minimum. I'd rather take a flier on a series of non-guaranteed NBDL prospects, hoping to find a servicable big, than to sign Kwame. No freakin' way.
Whew...
But that sure does make the potential list of FA centers really, really short - especially for "healthy" guys - doesn't it?
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KG doesn't like playing C folks. He likes shooting jumpers.
good point. and i thought that last season this hurt the celtics on a number of occasions.
while having him shoot from outside did open the middle, i am not sure there was anyone from the celtics to consistently "fill the middle" and take advantage of this.
also, the celtics offensive rebounding suffered with kg being so far away from the basket.
oh yeah...it also hurt when kg was cold from the field from outside.
i would prefer to have kg fight down low more often. but i suppose at this stage of his career, that is not his preference.
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Although I see the logistics of such an acquisition pretty much insurrmountable, getting Big Al would be a good fit precisely because KG doesn't play down low. Big Al could play that role and he would score in bunches. He would still see lots of double teams from Rondo's man but overall, I think he would get a lot of good looks that he would be able to convert. The key is good ball movement (which the Celtics generally create) and avoid the isolation low post thing. Essentially be like Shaq was earlier in the season.
On defense, a bigger, more of a banger type of center as compaerd to Al, KG or JO, would be nice but the roster is never going to be perfect.
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Is DeAndre Jordan really outside of an "MLE" type offer? I mean, I wouldn't at all be surprised if the cheapo clippers didn't want to pay two Centers and trading Kaman may be hard with a 12M salary.
Just asking here b/c he'd be a perfect fit for what we need (Young, Size, Rebounding, Blocks/D). With his above the rim game I bet Rondo would find him regular easy buckets/dunks. Be a nice pice for now and post big 3. I know HOward is a fun plan, but Rondo/Green and an athletic/Defensive Center might be a very nice base to build from. We need to find a scorer/star in the draft at the 2/3/4 to finish the team off but that may be more likely than signing DH.
I'd be interest to hear from more informed folks what the chance of an MLE offer succeding here would be...
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KG doesn't like playing C folks. He likes shooting jumpers.
TP b/c for w/e reason I laughed at this...
Its %100 true, especially at age 35
As long as we could pick up a decent C to just crash the boards and a reliable backup big besides JO, then we'd be fine. The Perk trade proved he was "over rated" Love the guy, want him back, think he deserved the contract completely, but the Celtics team made Perk look better than he was. All he had to do was 20 games a year play solid D against a few top Centers, rebound and make hard fouls. Top that off with fumbling open hand offs in the paint and you see why any legit C could do that job...
I propose a trade with the Bobcats. Something along the lines of Tyrus Thomas and Corey Maggette for Green and BBD?
Talented PF and overpaid 6th man for underachiever with propect and one time overachiever with extra weight?