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Other Discussions => Other / General Sports => Patriots / Football => Topic started by: Moranis on August 12, 2011, 02:41:24 PM
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I would have thought this talk would have ended last summer, but apparently not. It seems the Longhorn Network might have finally caused A&M enough angst that it might actually leave this time. I'm still not sure they would really pull the trigger and if they do, I have no idea who else would be going with them as the SEC will not stay at 13 (the SEC wants Oklahoma, but they don't seem keen on leaving Texas). It will be interesting to see how this all plays out and what the Big Ten and Pac 12 will do if the SEC does expand.
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Big 12 will not exist within 10 years.
That conference is doomed to fall apart now. Wouldn't be shocked to see Texas end up as an indepedent.
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Rumors are out there now that FSU is gonna go to the SEC now too
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Big 12 will not exist within 10 years.
That conference is doomed to fall apart now. Wouldn't be shocked to see Texas end up as an indepedent.
Independent is the way to go. Especially for schools with empires like Texas
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Big 12 will not exist within 10 years.
That conference is doomed to fall apart now. Wouldn't be shocked to see Texas end up as an indepedent.
Independent is the way to go. Especially for schools with empires like Texas
With this Longhorn Network and the fuss around it from Big 12 rivals, what's the incentive for Texas to stay in the Big 12 if they really want to have their own network yet play in a conference that won't allow them to broadcast any of their football conference games on it?
Go independent and try to pull off what ND has done with NBC. Its a national enough program with enough cache to find its niche.
IMO, the Big 12 is a sinking ship.
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Rumors are out there now that FSU is gonna go to the SEC now too
I think FSU would like that, I doubt it will happen. If the SEC expands it will want to capture a new market.
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IMO, the Big 12 is a sinking ship.
Yup, I'm just glad NU got out when this all started.
Ah to think of the days when everyone insisted that Texas wouldn't dominate the former Big 8 and that NU and (KU? there were two other schools I believe) were just being paranoid.
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I don't know if it was Stewart Mandal or Andy Staples but someone basically proposed NCAA football is headed in the direction of four 16 team power conferences (Pac-12, Big Ten, SEC, and ACC/Big East) and a bunch of nobodies.
Certainly seems to be headed in that direction.
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Rumors are out there now that FSU is gonna go to the SEC now too
I think FSU would like that, I doubt it will happen. If the SEC expands it will want to capture a new market.
Plus, Florida doesn't want FSU or Miami in the conference. I heard Va Tech today, which makes some sense. As does Missouri. Both expand the footprint, but both border the footprint.
Oklahoma is still the team it really wants and it wouldn't have to touch the ACC to do it.
If the SEC does touch the ACC, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Big Ten make a push for Maryland and North Carolina, the two teams outside of Notre Dame it really wants if it expands.
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I think Tex AM is making a mistake. If you never want to win and you never want to play natural rivals the SEC is the place for them.
If I were Arkansas I'd be talking to the Big 12.
Of course there's probably something I don't understand yet about the money....like how much money will go into school president's and commissioner's wallets while the players get nothing and get vilified for accepting tattoos for autographs.
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I think Tex AM is making a mistake. If you never want to win and you never want to play natural rivals the SEC is the place for them.
If I were Arkansas I'd be talking to the Big 12.
Of course there's probably something I don't understand yet about the money....like how much money will go into school president's and commissioner's wallets while the players get nothing and get vilified for accepting tattoos for autographs.
It is about money. SEC makes schools more money then the big 12 (unless you are Texas)
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I think Tex AM is making a mistake. If you never want to win and you never want to play natural rivals the SEC is the place for them.
If I were Arkansas I'd be talking to the Big 12.
Of course there's probably something I don't understand yet about the money....like how much money will go into school president's and commissioner's wallets while the players get nothing and get vilified for accepting tattoos for autographs.
It is about money. SEC makes schools more money then the big 12 (unless you are Texas)
In A&M's case, I actually think it is less about money and more about wanting to get away from big brother. I think the thought process is, yes the SEC is a tougher league, but it gives the Texas recruits a chance to play in the best conference and stay in state, so perhaps they would go to A&M rather then UT. A&M just needs a divorce from UT.
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This was just posted on Foxsports.com
COLLEGE STATION, Texas
Texas A&M will leave the Big 12 to join the Southeastern Conference (SEC), ESPN reported Saturday, quoting a "high ranking source" from the Aggies.
The source said Clemson, Florida State and Missouri were also "likely to join."
Texas A&M had already moved forward a Board of Regents meeting to Monday afternoon to discuss "conference alignment," heightening anticipation at the move, the Houston Chronicle reported.
The session was brought forward from Aug. 22 after the Texas House Committee on Higher Education announced a Tuesday hearing to discuss possible college conference realignments within the state. Big 12, SEC and Texas A&M officials were all invited to the committee hearing.
An A&M official, meanwhile, told the Chronicle on Friday night that it was hoped the Aggies could join the SEC in 2012. A Big 12 school official claimed that SEC school leaders were also meeting this weekend to approve the arrival of A&M.
An A&M official was quoted by the newspaper as saying that Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe told A&M the conference would still function without it, amid claims Houston could be in line to replace the Aggies. A Big 12 spokesman later denied the claim.
The speculation of Texas A&M's jump from the Big 12 gained steam Wednesday when Texas governor Rick Perry confirmed that "conversations" between the school and the SEC were taking place.
Florida State officials were also reported to be in serious discussions with the conference. A source told The Palm Beach Post that the Seminoles were in talks with the SEC during the past several months, but discussions recently became more serious.
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The possible expansion of the SEC to 14 teams came after the Big 12 lost Colorado to the Pac-12 and Nebraska to the Big Ten.
Texas A&M's discussions with the SEC are believed to be motivated by the University of Texas' (UT) agreement with ESPN to launch the Longhorn Network, which will generate $300 million in revenue for the university over the next 20 years.
The NCAA ruled Thursday that the Longhorn Network would not be able to air 18 high school football games after other Big 12 schools protested that the broadcasts would give Texas an obvious recruiting advantage.
UT athletic director DeLoss Dodds told the Chronicle that the reports on the likely departure of its close rival from the Big 12 sparked discussions within the conference, but he added he had no inside knowledge.
"All we know is what we read and hear in the media," he said. "We are actively looking at every possible option we have and have been talking to other Big 12 schools. We are strong supporters and members of the Big 12. We'd be disappointed if Texas A&M leaves, but if they do, we wish them well."
If true, looks like the ACC & Big 12 will be scrambling.
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I think Tex AM is making a mistake. If you never want to win and you never want to play natural rivals the SEC is the place for them.
If I were Arkansas I'd be talking to the Big 12.
Of course there's probably something I don't understand yet about the money....like how much money will go into school president's and commissioner's wallets while the players get nothing and get vilified for accepting tattoos for autographs.
It is about money. SEC makes schools more money then the big 12 (unless you are Texas)
Do you think a middle of the road SEC school makes more money than a top Big 12? With only 10 teams in the Big 12 Texas AM's road to a BCS bowl or even the national championship game was so much easier. Now they'll have a hard time. They're clearly trying to steal top recruits from Texas. It won't work
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open
Wow. Won't happen. Interesting. I think it's significantly possible that some high ranking SEC teams like Florida were like "No way do we want to play against the best recruits in Texas year after year" and I wouldn't be surprised if some middle of the road SEC schools like Tennessee and maybe Georgia and South Carolina were like "Yeah. We'd actually like a chance to win this league every once in a while" and low ranking teams like Miss St must have been thinking "And we want to have bowl years at least from time to time"
If I'm a league out there right now I'd consider getting aggressive and just poach an easily poachable team asap.
If you're the Big 12 go for Houston asap. If you're the Big East throw the kitchen sink at Notre Dame and have some backup plan for trying to grab Georgia Tech or Houston or Southern Miss or something
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It will happen and it will happen shortly, it just has to happen in a manner that won't get the SEC sued by the Big 12.
The SEC absolutely wants Texas A&M and Texas A&M absolutely wants the SEC.
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It will happen and it will happen shortly, it just has to happen in a manner that won't get the SEC sued by the Big 12.
The SEC absolutely wants Texas A&M and Texas A&M absolutely wants the SEC.
I think they are not yet in agreement to who the 14th team would be, they want to keep the league an even number to make scheduling easier. Plus they want to let the Texas politicians to have their say before they make anything officially aggressive.
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It will happen and it will happen shortly, it just has to happen in a manner that won't get the SEC sued by the Big 12.
The SEC absolutely wants Texas A&M and Texas A&M absolutely wants the SEC.
I think they are not yet in agreement to who the 14th team would be, they want to keep the league an even number to make scheduling easier. Plus they want to let the Texas politicians to have their say before they make anything officially aggressive.
Apparently they are willing to have 13 for at least a year. The vote and statement yesterday was just so they wouldn't get sued by the Big 12.
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open
Wow. Won't happen. Interesting. I think it's significantly possible that some high ranking SEC teams like Florida were like "No way do we want to play against the best recruits in Texas year after year" and I wouldn't be surprised if some middle of the road SEC schools like Tennessee and maybe Georgia and South Carolina were like "Yeah. We'd actually like a chance to win this league every once in a while" and low ranking teams like Miss St must have been thinking "And we want to have bowl years at least from time to time"
If I'm a league out there right now I'd consider getting aggressive and just poach an easily poachable team asap.
If you're the Big 12 go for Houston asap. If you're the Big East throw the kitchen sink at Notre Dame and have some backup plan for trying to grab Georgia Tech or Houston or Southern Miss or something
Hmm, I'm confused. You ask in your last post if a middle of the road SEC team makes more money than a Top Big 12 team, as if to imply A&M would be just another team in the SEC. Then in this post, you make it act like the SEC is running up the walls in horror. Are you implying that you think the A&M could compete with the top SEC teams, after all?
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open
Wow. Won't happen. Interesting. I think it's significantly possible that some high ranking SEC teams like Florida were like "No way do we want to play against the best recruits in Texas year after year" and I wouldn't be surprised if some middle of the road SEC schools like Tennessee and maybe Georgia and South Carolina were like "Yeah. We'd actually like a chance to win this league every once in a while" and low ranking teams like Miss St must have been thinking "And we want to have bowl years at least from time to time"
If I'm a league out there right now I'd consider getting aggressive and just poach an easily poachable team asap.
If you're the Big 12 go for Houston asap. If you're the Big East throw the kitchen sink at Notre Dame and have some backup plan for trying to grab Georgia Tech or Houston or Southern Miss or something
Hmm, I'm confused. You ask in your last post if a middle of the road SEC team makes more money than a Top Big 12 team, as if to imply A&M would be just another team in the SEC. Then in this post, you make it act like the SEC is running up the walls in horror. Are you implying that you think the A&M could compete with the top SEC teams, after all?
Well I'm a pessimist so you have to look at the whole thing through the eyes of a pessimist from each angle.
If I'm an SEC team I might be thinking "Oh no! A&M might get lots of great Texas recruits making it way harder for me to win".
If I'm A&M I might be thinking "We're just another team as it is right now in the Big 12 where there are only 2 or so other good teams a year. In the SEC we could get crushed"
In reality I think A&M might do well for itself in the SEC, but not be a top 2 team. Maybe not even top 3. Plus if they bring in another team it will be that much harder again.
I'm not sure about the money thing. The thing for A&M is they're probably tired of being Texas' little brother.
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open
Wow. Won't happen. Interesting. I think it's significantly possible that some high ranking SEC teams like Florida were like "No way do we want to play against the best recruits in Texas year after year" and I wouldn't be surprised if some middle of the road SEC schools like Tennessee and maybe Georgia and South Carolina were like "Yeah. We'd actually like a chance to win this league every once in a while" and low ranking teams like Miss St must have been thinking "And we want to have bowl years at least from time to time"
If I'm a league out there right now I'd consider getting aggressive and just poach an easily poachable team asap.
If you're the Big 12 go for Houston asap. If you're the Big East throw the kitchen sink at Notre Dame and have some backup plan for trying to grab Georgia Tech or Houston or Southern Miss or something
Hmm, I'm confused. You ask in your last post if a middle of the road SEC team makes more money than a Top Big 12 team, as if to imply A&M would be just another team in the SEC. Then in this post, you make it act like the SEC is running up the walls in horror. Are you implying that you think the A&M could compete with the top SEC teams, after all?
Well I'm a pessimist so you have to look at the whole thing through the eyes of a pessimist from each angle.
If I'm an SEC team I might be thinking "Oh no! A&M might get lots of great Texas recruits making it way harder for me to win".
If I'm A&M I might be thinking "We're just another team as it is right now in the Big 12 where there are only 2 or so other good teams a year. In the SEC we could get crushed"
In reality I think A&M might do well for itself in the SEC, but not be a top 2 team. Maybe not even top 3. Plus if they bring in another team it will be that much harder again.
I'm not sure about the money thing. The thing for A&M is they're probably tired of being Texas' little brother.
since when is Texas A&M a top team in the Big 12? Texas A&M will finish near the bottom of the SEC most years, but it still probably makes more money then it would if it stayed put. Heck Northwestern football makes more money from its tv deal then Notre Dame. There really are only three conferences that matter where money is concerned: the Big Ten, the SEC, and the Pac 12.
The SEC wants the Texas television markets so it can re-negotiate its TV contracts, which will bring all the other schools more money, if Texas A&M was in Louisiana, the SEC wouldn't give two craps about it. Location is everything in this and A&M has the correct location.
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open
Wow. Won't happen. Interesting. I think it's significantly possible that some high ranking SEC teams like Florida were like "No way do we want to play against the best recruits in Texas year after year" and I wouldn't be surprised if some middle of the road SEC schools like Tennessee and maybe Georgia and South Carolina were like "Yeah. We'd actually like a chance to win this league every once in a while" and low ranking teams like Miss St must have been thinking "And we want to have bowl years at least from time to time"
If I'm a league out there right now I'd consider getting aggressive and just poach an easily poachable team asap.
If you're the Big 12 go for Houston asap. If you're the Big East throw the kitchen sink at Notre Dame and have some backup plan for trying to grab Georgia Tech or Houston or Southern Miss or something
Hmm, I'm confused. You ask in your last post if a middle of the road SEC team makes more money than a Top Big 12 team, as if to imply A&M would be just another team in the SEC. Then in this post, you make it act like the SEC is running up the walls in horror. Are you implying that you think the A&M could compete with the top SEC teams, after all?
Well I'm a pessimist so you have to look at the whole thing through the eyes of a pessimist from each angle.
If I'm an SEC team I might be thinking "Oh no! A&M might get lots of great Texas recruits making it way harder for me to win".
If I'm A&M I might be thinking "We're just another team as it is right now in the Big 12 where there are only 2 or so other good teams a year. In the SEC we could get crushed"
In reality I think A&M might do well for itself in the SEC, but not be a top 2 team. Maybe not even top 3. Plus if they bring in another team it will be that much harder again.
I'm not sure about the money thing. The thing for A&M is they're probably tired of being Texas' little brother.
since when is Texas A&M a top team in the Big 12? Texas A&M will finish near the bottom of the SEC most years, but it still probably makes more money then it would if it stayed put. Heck Northwestern football makes more money from its tv deal then Notre Dame. There really are only three conferences that matter where money is concerned: the Big Ten, the SEC, and the Pac 12.
The SEC wants the Texas television markets so it can re-negotiate its TV contracts, which will bring all the other schools more money, if Texas A&M was in Louisiana, the SEC wouldn't give two craps about it. Location is everything in this and A&M has the correct location.
Are you 100% sure Northwestern makes more money from tv than Notre Dame? If that were the case I'd think Notre Dame would be in a league.
I don't think I ever said A&M was a top Big 12 team. They definitely line up behind Texas and Oklahoma at the very least. But I definitely think they're a better team in the Big 12 than SEC
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6861385/sec-extend-invitation-texas-leaves-options-open
Wow. Won't happen. Interesting. I think it's significantly possible that some high ranking SEC teams like Florida were like "No way do we want to play against the best recruits in Texas year after year" and I wouldn't be surprised if some middle of the road SEC schools like Tennessee and maybe Georgia and South Carolina were like "Yeah. We'd actually like a chance to win this league every once in a while" and low ranking teams like Miss St must have been thinking "And we want to have bowl years at least from time to time"
If I'm a league out there right now I'd consider getting aggressive and just poach an easily poachable team asap.
If you're the Big 12 go for Houston asap. If you're the Big East throw the kitchen sink at Notre Dame and have some backup plan for trying to grab Georgia Tech or Houston or Southern Miss or something
Hmm, I'm confused. You ask in your last post if a middle of the road SEC team makes more money than a Top Big 12 team, as if to imply A&M would be just another team in the SEC. Then in this post, you make it act like the SEC is running up the walls in horror. Are you implying that you think the A&M could compete with the top SEC teams, after all?
Well I'm a pessimist so you have to look at the whole thing through the eyes of a pessimist from each angle.
If I'm an SEC team I might be thinking "Oh no! A&M might get lots of great Texas recruits making it way harder for me to win".
If I'm A&M I might be thinking "We're just another team as it is right now in the Big 12 where there are only 2 or so other good teams a year. In the SEC we could get crushed"
In reality I think A&M might do well for itself in the SEC, but not be a top 2 team. Maybe not even top 3. Plus if they bring in another team it will be that much harder again.
I'm not sure about the money thing. The thing for A&M is they're probably tired of being Texas' little brother.
since when is Texas A&M a top team in the Big 12? Texas A&M will finish near the bottom of the SEC most years, but it still probably makes more money then it would if it stayed put. Heck Northwestern football makes more money from its tv deal then Notre Dame. There really are only three conferences that matter where money is concerned: the Big Ten, the SEC, and the Pac 12.
The SEC wants the Texas television markets so it can re-negotiate its TV contracts, which will bring all the other schools more money, if Texas A&M was in Louisiana, the SEC wouldn't give two craps about it. Location is everything in this and A&M has the correct location.
Are you 100% sure Northwestern makes more money from tv than Notre Dame? If that were the case I'd think Notre Dame would be in a league.
I don't think I ever said A&M was a top Big 12 team. They definitely line up behind Texas and Oklahoma at the very least. But I definitely think they're a better team in the Big 12 than SEC
Yes. All Big Ten schools make over 20 million a year from the Big Ten Network and ESPN (and the other deals). ND's deal with NBC is like 9 million a year. It gets at best a couple of million from the Big East's basketball contracts. Sure ND gets a full share of its bowl games, but that share is far less then Northwestern's bowl share in every year that ND doesn't make a BCS bowl (which has been awhile).
ND just wants the freedom to remain independent. That may change when the Big East gets raided and is no longer a good landing spot for ND's other sports, but for now ND is content making less money but remaining independent.
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This is just me and my pipe dream and there are many reasons it wouldn't work, but I'd kinda love to see an All-Texas league. The Big Tex
Texas
Tex AM
TCU
Tex Tech
Baylor
UTEP
SMU
North Texas
Houston
Rice
That's a stronger football conference than the Big East
If they want to get cute they could add Oklahoma, OK State and Tulsa and call it the Big Texlahoma.
Tell me that wouldn't be awesome in a certain way
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A&M informed the Big 12 it is leaving the conference on June 30, 2012. It will be applying to another conference soon. Of course everyone in the world knows what conference that is.
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A&M informed the Big 12 it is leaving the conference on June 30, 2012. It will be applying to another conference soon. Of course everyone in the world knows what conference that is.
Can't wait to see what the buyout negotiated with the Big 12 ends up being. I read the Big 12 would be looking for a king's ransom if A&M decided to leave.
Question becomes who's next?
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A&M informed the Big 12 it is leaving the conference on June 30, 2012. It will be applying to another conference soon. Of course everyone in the world knows what conference that is.
Can't wait to see what the buyout negotiated with the Big 12 ends up being. I read the Big 12 would be looking for a king's ransom if A&M decided to leave.
Question becomes who's next?
I think a lot of that will depend a great deal on what the SEC does. If it looks to Missouri then that might collapse the Big 12, if it looks to an ACC team, then I don't think much else happens. The Big 12 will replace A&M with another Texas school (Houston or SMU) and the ACC will replace whomever it loses with a CUSA or outside shot a Big East school (who would then add one more from a smaller conference). If the SEC goes big and goes to 16, then I think that probably triggers the Big Ten and the Pac 12 to action.
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Finding it kind've funny that the lowly Baylor Bears (of all teams) is holding up Texas A&M to the SEC right now.
I assume that everything will be worked out in the end and A&M will end up in the SEC but the idea that Baylor of all the Big 12 teams is threatening to take a stand is certainly surprising.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/07/texasam.sec/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp
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Finding it kind've funny that the lowly Baylor Bears (of all teams) is holding up Texas A&M to the SEC right now.
I assume that everything will be worked out in the end and A&M will end up in the SEC but the idea that Baylor of all the Big 12 teams is threatening to take a stand is certainly surprising.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/07/texasam.sec/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp
Not really, Baylor is only in the Big 12 because of heavy political pressure that was placed upon Texas and the Big 8 to include them. (Lots of politicians in power at the time had Baylor ties)
They are the Texas school that likely would be relegated to a non-BCS conference if things fall apart. Thus they have the largest financial interest in perserving the Big 12 given the paucity of their other options.
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Finding it kind've funny that the lowly Baylor Bears (of all teams) is holding up Texas A&M to the SEC right now.
I assume that everything will be worked out in the end and A&M will end up in the SEC but the idea that Baylor of all the Big 12 teams is threatening to take a stand is certainly surprising.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/07/texasam.sec/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp
Not really, Baylor is only in the Big 12 because of heavy political pressure that was placed upon Texas and the Big 8 to include them. (Lots of politicians in power at the time had Baylor ties)
They are the Texas school that likely would be relegated to a non-BCS conference if things fall apart.
I was just going to respond that way. Baylor is on the outside looking in if the Big 12 collapses, same as Kansas State, Iowa State, and perhaps even Kansas.
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Finding it kind've funny that the lowly Baylor Bears (of all teams) is holding up Texas A&M to the SEC right now.
I assume that everything will be worked out in the end and A&M will end up in the SEC but the idea that Baylor of all the Big 12 teams is threatening to take a stand is certainly surprising.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/07/texasam.sec/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp
I see their thinking. Right now, they get a pretty nice chunk of BCS money. However, the Big 12 appears to be on the brink of evaporating.
Here are the other Big 12 schools:
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
Each of those teams is likely to have a fairly easy time hooking on to another conference, if the Big 12 evaporates. There's already been talk of Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas State joining the Pac-16. Missouri has been rumored to go to the ACC and Big 10, and it would be easy to see Kansas, Kansas St., and Iowa St. all go to the Big 10, as well.
Baylor could be the odd man out, though. They just don't bring a lot, other than an easy win on the calendar (unless you're TCU, apparently).
EDIT: Beaten to the punch by Fafnir and Moranis.
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Baylor is on the outside looking in if the Big 12 collapses, same as Kansas State, Iowa State, and perhaps even Kansas.
I think somebody would grab Kansas, if just for basketball reasons. I could see them bringing KSU along with them. Iowa St. is harder to justify, but I could see them going to the Big 10 to form a natural rivalry with Iowa.
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Finding it kind've funny that the lowly Baylor Bears (of all teams) is holding up Texas A&M to the SEC right now.
I assume that everything will be worked out in the end and A&M will end up in the SEC but the idea that Baylor of all the Big 12 teams is threatening to take a stand is certainly surprising.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/09/07/texasam.sec/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp
Not really, Baylor is only in the Big 12 because of heavy political pressure that was placed upon Texas and the Big 8 to include them. (Lots of politicians in power at the time had Baylor ties)
They are the Texas school that likely would be relegated to a non-BCS conference if things fall apart. Thus they have the largest financial interest in perserving the Big 12 given the paucity of their other options.
I understand their thinking and the politics of it.
I just find it commendable and a bit ironic that a school that is often considered an afterthought when it comes to Big 12 football is the one stepping to the forefront to save the conference.
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Baylor is on the outside looking in if the Big 12 collapses, same as Kansas State, Iowa State, and perhaps even Kansas.
I think somebody would grab Kansas, if just for basketball reasons. I could see them bringing KSU along with them. Iowa St. is harder to justify, but I could see them going to the Big 10 to form a natural rivalry with Iowa.
The Big Ten might take Kansas (though even that is unlikely) it will never add Kansas State or Iowa State. Those schools provide nothing to the Big Ten.
The Big Ten's wish list in order is
1. Notre Dame
2. Texas
3. North Carolina
4. Maryland
After that it would be Missouri (who probably ends up with A&M in the SEC), Connecticut, and Rutgers in some order with Syracuse the team after that. Kansas may come in around the same pecking order as Syracuse.
The Big Ten cares far more about academics then the other big time conferences and any school it adds would have to add television markets and/or viewers in addition to a strong academic history.
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I think Kansas goes Pac-12 not Big Ten.
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I think Kansas goes Pac-12 not Big Ten.
I think the Pac-12 will expand to 16 with Texas, OU, OKSU, and Texas Tech. Would they go more than 16 schools?
There are some rumors that the Big East could expand to bring in Kansas, KSU, ISU, etc.
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I think Kansas goes Pac-12 not Big Ten.
I think the Pac-12 will expand to 16 with Texas, OU, OKSU, and Texas Tech. Would they go more than 16 schools?
There are some rumors that the Big East could expand to bring in Kansas, KSU, ISU, etc.
Here is what I think happens.
Pac 12 adds Texas, OU, OSU, and Texas Tech
SEC adds Texas A&M, Missouri, Virginia Tech, Florida State
Big 10 adds Notre Dame, Maryland, Connecticut, Rutgers
ACC is the remaining 9 + South Florida, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, Kansas
A new 16 team conference is formed from the remnants of the Big 12 + TCU and teams from the Mountain West and CUSA.
Houston, Texas Christian, Baylor, Southern Methodist, Memphis, Central Florida, Iowa State, Kansas State, Tulsa, East Carolina, Southern Mississippi, Brigham Young, Boise State, Fresno State, Air Force, Nevada-Las Vegas
The MAC stays as it is perhaps adding a school to get to 14. The remaining Mountain West, WAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt schools combine to form 2 or possibly 3 conferences.
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I think Kansas goes Pac-12 not Big Ten.
I think the Pac-12 will expand to 16 with Texas, OU, OKSU, and Texas Tech. Would they go more than 16 schools?
There are some rumors that the Big East could expand to bring in Kansas, KSU, ISU, etc.
I don't think so.
I've already read that there is already reluctance from some of these conferences to even go to 16 and the reason they ultimately will would be to cover themselves.
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apparently all but Oklahoma and Texas have refused to give consent and waive their rights to sue should A&M leave. The other 7 will waive their rights, but only if Oklahoma stays in the conference.
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http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1263940 (http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1263940)
It appears Oklahoma may be applying for Pac 12 membership very shortly. Oklahoma State would follow suit if OU does apply.
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I would take this in heartbeat but find it extremely, extremely farfetched. I'd say the odds of them going independent might be greater than this.
From: The Austin Statesman
With many believing the Big 12 to be on life support, might Texas be looking to the Atlantic as well as the Pacific? Texas versus Duke basketball. Texas against Miami baseball. Texas-North Carolina in debate and poetry reading? OK, not so much. But otherwise, this thing could work. Texas in the Atlantic Coast Conference, that is. This isn't to say or even suggest that the Longhorns are ACC-bound or even have their socks, boxers, toothbrushes and Longhorn Network packed in a suitcase. They're just ACC-intrigued, and we're assuming the ACC is just as interested in them as well. Why wouldn't it be? That league could use Texas as much as vice versa. Probably more.
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I would take this in heartbeat but find it extremely, extremely farfetched. I'd say the odds of them going independent might be greater than this.
From: The Austin Statesman
With many believing the Big 12 to be on life support, might Texas be looking to the Atlantic as well as the Pacific? Texas versus Duke basketball. Texas against Miami baseball. Texas-North Carolina in debate and poetry reading? OK, not so much. But otherwise, this thing could work. Texas in the Atlantic Coast Conference, that is. This isn't to say or even suggest that the Longhorns are ACC-bound or even have their socks, boxers, toothbrushes and Longhorn Network packed in a suitcase. They're just ACC-intrigued, and we're assuming the ACC is just as interested in them as well. Why wouldn't it be? That league could use Texas as much as vice versa. Probably more.
Well the ACC is the only conference that will let them keep the Longhorn Network and thus is the only viable option. Both the Pac 12 and Big 10 have said they can't keep it, and Texas does not want to be in the SEC (for academic reasons mostly), so the ACC or independence is it unless it gives up the Longhorn Network.
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Report from an Alabama newspaper says Missouri will join Texas A&M in the SEC West and Auburn will move to the SEC East (Auburn and Alabama would be the linked game and still play every year).
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Oooh ohhh oohhh
East Carolina has applied to the Big East and Central Florida is a target along with some service academies. That could make basketball interesting
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7001803/east-carolina-applies-big-east-conference-membership
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http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7001193/football-kills-big-east-basketball-tradition (http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7001193/football-kills-big-east-basketball-tradition)
Michael Wilbon, one of my favorite sports personalities out there, could not have summed up how I feel about this conference realignment thing any better than he did in this.
College sports IMO have become too big and just about money and there is nothing that can stop it unfortunately.
The NCAA has no control and everything basically needs to be rebuilt from scratch.
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http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7001193/football-kills-big-east-basketball-tradition (http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7001193/football-kills-big-east-basketball-tradition)
Michael Wilbon, one of my favorite sports personalities out there, could not have summed up how I feel about this conference realignment thing any better than he did in this.
College sports IMO have become too big and just about money and there is nothing that can stop it unfortunately.
The NCAA has no control and everything basically needs to be rebuilt from scratch.
There was a really good piece on the most recent "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" that dealt with the bowls and their charity designation and how much of a joke that has become.
College sports, particularly football, is a very ugly and messed up industry. Especially when you consider that its supposed to be "amateur" athletics.
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http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7001193/football-kills-big-east-basketball-tradition (http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7001193/football-kills-big-east-basketball-tradition)
Michael Wilbon, one of my favorite sports personalities out there, could not have summed up how I feel about this conference realignment thing any better than he did in this.
College sports IMO have become too big and just about money and there is nothing that can stop it unfortunately.
The NCAA has no control and everything basically needs to be rebuilt from scratch.
There was a really good piece on the most recent "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" that dealt with the bowls and their charity designation and how much of a joke that has become.
College sports, particularly football, is a very ugly and messed up industry. Especially when you consider that its supposed to be "amateur" athletics.
It is all a complete joke and utterly disgusting. And the NCAA can't do anything about it because under their watch it became to big for them to handle.
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After the schools get all this money will college tuition go down one cent? Of course not. They're going to make a lot more money, then they're going to raise tuition for the 30th year in a row, then they're going to call alumni asking for money, then they're going to say that Congress needs to give them more money because the cost of education has gone up.
Education dollars from tax payers should be contingent on lowering tuition. They have enough money.
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After the schools get all this money will college tuition go down one cent? Of course not. They're going to make a lot more money, then they're going to raise tuition for the 30th year in a row, then they're going to call alumni asking for money, then they're going to say that Congress needs to give them more money because the cost of education has gone up.
Education dollars from tax payers should be contingent on lowering tuition. They have enough money.
Less then 25 schools make a profit on their athletic programs in any given season and the last few it has been in the 15 school range. They need to make all this money in football and basketball so they can have track, swimming, volleyball, tennis, golf, etc.
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After the schools get all this money will college tuition go down one cent? Of course not. They're going to make a lot more money, then they're going to raise tuition for the 30th year in a row, then they're going to call alumni asking for money, then they're going to say that Congress needs to give them more money because the cost of education has gone up.
Education dollars from tax payers should be contingent on lowering tuition. They have enough money.
Less then 25 schools make a profit on their athletic programs in any given season and the last few it has been in the 15 school range. They need to make all this money in football and basketball so they can have track, swimming, volleyball, tennis, golf, etc.
The price of college went up 500% in a 20 year period when the price of everything else went up 150%. It's the only thing I can think of that the price goes up significantly every single year. I don't buy their excuses. They raise the price because they can.
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After the schools get all this money will college tuition go down one cent? Of course not. They're going to make a lot more money, then they're going to raise tuition for the 30th year in a row, then they're going to call alumni asking for money, then they're going to say that Congress needs to give them more money because the cost of education has gone up.
Education dollars from tax payers should be contingent on lowering tuition. They have enough money.
Less then 25 schools make a profit on their athletic programs in any given season and the last few it has been in the 15 school range. They need to make all this money in football and basketball so they can have track, swimming, volleyball, tennis, golf, etc.
The price of college went up 500% in a 20 year period when the price of everything else went up 150%. It's the only thing I can think of that the price goes up significantly every single year. I don't buy their excuses. They raise the price because they can.
The increase in tuition has nothing to do with athletics. My point was merely that all the football money goes to the other sports programs and not academics.
The rise of tuition is mostly for 2 reasons. First, the federal and state governments put significantly less money into colleges. The money from every government cut has to come from somewhere (sorry students that is you). Second, just like with the car industry, the pension packages for teachers, janitors, etc. has become significantly more crippling the last 20 years or so.
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Missouri to SEC officially announced.
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Navy to join the Big East for football only beginning in 2015. That would put the Big East at 11 teams, so clearly it will be looking to add one more team. Perhaps it will revisit with Air Force who may be more inclined to join with Navy in the fold. East Carolina and Memphis are also probably on the short list.
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After the schools get all this money will college tuition go down one cent? Of course not. They're going to make a lot more money, then they're going to raise tuition for the 30th year in a row, then they're going to call alumni asking for money, then they're going to say that Congress needs to give them more money because the cost of education has gone up.
Education dollars from tax payers should be contingent on lowering tuition. They have enough money.
Less then 25 schools make a profit on their athletic programs in any given season and the last few it has been in the 15 school range. They need to make all this money in football and basketball so they can have track, swimming, volleyball, tennis, golf, etc.
The price of college went up 500% in a 20 year period when the price of everything else went up 150%. It's the only thing I can think of that the price goes up significantly every single year. I don't buy their excuses. They raise the price because they can.
The increase in tuition has nothing to do with athletics. My point was merely that all the football money goes to the other sports programs and not academics.
The rise of tuition is mostly for 2 reasons. First, the federal and state governments put significantly less money into colleges. The money from every government cut has to come from somewhere (sorry students that is you). Second, just like with the car industry, the pension packages for teachers, janitors, etc. has become significantly more crippling the last 20 years or so.
i can't believe I missed this. It strikes me as timely cause of Obma's comments in the State of the Union last night. I don't buy the fed and state cuts thing. They call me every year and tell me this. If it were true then there wouldn't be any money from government at all and who can blame them when they raise tuition every year. And every college in the country agreed to pension raises far exceeding inflation?
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Looked back at this and thinking how crazy some of the predictions of team movement was. It looks like all the current conferences will survive long term(I always thought they would) and that the major movement would be from teams in and out of lower earning football conferences, which includes the Big East.
So let's review:
Syracuse and Pitt to the ACC for a 14 team conference.
Missouri and Texas A&M to the SEC for a 14 team conference.
UCF, Houston and SMU to the Big East for all sports. Boise St, San Diego St, and Navy to join Big East football only.
Big 10...pretty much a done deal unless Notre Dame decides to come aboard for all sports which would trigger the addition of another team.
TCU and West Virginia are now bound for the Big 12 which will build back up to a 10 team conference.
Pac 12...a done deal.
Non-BCS conferences...all over the place as BCS conferences look for replacements from teams going other BSC conferences from these non-BCS conferences. So MAC, Mountain West, CUSA and others struggle to fill slots.
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And it continues...
Maryland just voted to join the Big Ten. Rutgers is expected to join them.
That school in Storrs could be poised to jump ship from the Big East to the ACC now.
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Big 10 was just waiting for ND to make a decision I guess.
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wow, maryland throwing away 50 million dollars.
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wow, maryland throwing away 50 million dollars.
They'll try to negotiate that down I'm sure.
But when your income steam is going from 16 to 25 - 35 or whatever the Big 10 network brings they're making a longer term play.
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wow, maryland throwing away 50 million dollars.
Certainly a lot of money there but if Maryland can pull it off, Florida State might think twice again and flirt with the $EC again.
Could trigger another domino or two to fall.
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wow, maryland throwing away 50 million dollars.
They'll try to negotiate that down I'm sure.
But when your income steam is going from 16 to 25 - 35 or whatever the Big 10 network brings they're making a longer term play.
Exactly. Maryland will recoup that exit fee one way or another.
Read something the other day that one of the Underarmour guys and MD super boosters just cashed out a ton of stock.
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wow, maryland throwing away 50 million dollars.
They'll try to negotiate that down I'm sure.
But when your income steam is going from 16 to 25 - 35 or whatever the Big 10 network brings they're making a longer term play.
Exactly. Maryland will recoup that exit fee one way or another.
Read something the other day that one of the Underarmour guys and MD super boosters just cashed out a ton of stock.
Plus the Maryland program is already running serious financial trouble.
When your current situation isn't working for you, you'll be more open to taking a big risk or big move.
FSU is still doing fine money wise so the SEC isn't as attractive with the whole exit fee.
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Big Ten teams are already making about 25 million from tv contracts. That will go up significantly if they can get the Big Ten Network on basic cable in NJ, NYC, Maryland, and D.C., which you would have to think the Big Ten knows it will or it wouldn't have added those two programs. The Big Ten also renegotiates in a few years, and by adding those markets will be in line for a much bigger payday.
This was solely a move about dollars, but at least the Big Ten is sticking with the whole education thing i.e both Maryland and Rutgers are in the AAU and are fine academic institutions.
I would also not be surprised at all if this opens the door for further movement (aside from Connecticut to the ACC).
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It's all about football. Eventually I think we're going to see separate conferences for football. At least I hope we do. This is really starting to hurt college basketball.
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It's all about football. Eventually I think we're going to see separate conferences for football. At least I hope we do. This is really starting to hurt college basketball.
Actually these moves are solely about dollars. Maryland and Rutgers add almost nothing to the Big Ten from a football perspective. They are just in the right location.
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Tulane to replace Rutgers as a full member. East Carolina to join Big East as a football only member.
http://news.yahoo.com/tulane-join-big-east-2014-leaving-c-usa-191842130--spt.html (http://news.yahoo.com/tulane-join-big-east-2014-leaving-c-usa-191842130--spt.html)
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College confernce names a joke, how many does the big ten have? It sure as heck ain't ten. Ditto, for the big twelve.
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College confernce names a joke, how many does the big ten have? It sure as heck ain't ten. Ditto, for the big twelve.
This isn't true anymore but I think there was a year or two there when the Big 10 had 12 members and the Big 12 had 10.
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So the Big East is essentially turning into Conference USA Lite meets Catholicism?
Have fun with that...
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And the ACC adds Louisville. Solid addition for the big sports of football & basketball.
Everyone getting all of this? There's going to be a test at the end.
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I have no idea which colleges are part of which conferences or who is coaching any teams anymore. College sports is just a mystery to me at this point.
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And the ACC adds Louisville. Solid addition for the big sports of football & basketball.
Everyone getting all of this? There's going to be a test at the end.
That was the smart play, but I am surprised a bit the ACC didn't go after Connecticut. Again, Louisville is the smart play so it makes sense, UConn just seemed to fit better.
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Guessing they'll replace MD in the Atlantic so it'd be; BC, Clemson, Florida St, Louisville, NC State, Syracuse, and Wake, I believe.
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Its a good day, the ACC gets stronger and SueConn slips futher into purgatory #conferenceUSA
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And the ACC adds Louisville. Solid addition for the big sports of football & basketball.
Everyone getting all of this? There's going to be a test at the end.
That was the smart play, but I am surprised a bit the ACC didn't go after Connecticut. Again, Louisville is the smart play so it makes sense, UConn just seemed to fit better.
I would have rather seen UConn, but Louisville gives them a wider market area.
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And the ACC adds Louisville. Solid addition for the big sports of football & basketball.
Everyone getting all of this? There's going to be a test at the end.
That was the smart play, but I am surprised a bit the ACC didn't go after Connecticut. Again, Louisville is the smart play so it makes sense, UConn just seemed to fit better.
I would have rather seen UConn, but Louisville gives them a wider market area.
Also bridges the geographic gap a little bit between the ACC and South Bend
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Realignment is all about football, so why would UConn make any sense for them?
It was between Louisville and Cincinnati.
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Realignment is all about football, so why would UConn make any sense for them?
It was between Louisville and Cincinnati.
Supposedly there was very little support for either Uconn or Cinci. The presidents were prepared to Vote on Louisville but had no intention of discussing Uconn or Cinci in the event that Louisville didnt garner the necessary 3/4 support
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Realignment is all about football, so why would UConn make any sense for them?
It was between Louisville and Cincinnati.
Supposedly there was very little support for either Uconn or Cinci. The presidents were prepared to Vote on Louisville but had no intention of discussing Uconn or Cinci in the event that Louisville didnt garner the necessary 3/4 support
Cinncy was lobbying hard, but I think the statement that they wouldn't hold a vote for the other alternatives was just strong arming the fence sitters who preferred one of those two schools. (aka either give us the school the league commish/powers want or you get nothing)
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Realignment is all about football, so why would UConn make any sense for them?
It was between Louisville and Cincinnati.
Supposedly there was very little support for either Uconn or Cinci. The presidents were prepared to Vote on Louisville but had no intention of discussing Uconn or Cinci in the event that Louisville didnt garner the necessary 3/4 support
Cinncy was lobbying hard, but I think the statement that they wouldn't hold a vote for the other alternatives was just strong arming the fence sitters who preferred one of those two schools. (aka either give us the school the league commish/powers want or you get nothing)
True, but I imagine BC was one of the teams that wanted nothing to do with Cincy in the ACC. Ohio is one of the few places that they recruit well for football. Luke Kuechly came from a cincy suburb I believe.
Not that BC's preference really goes a long way but im just saying haha.
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Realignment is all about football, so why would UConn make any sense for them?
It was between Louisville and Cincinnati.
UConn is only two years removed from winning the Big East and playing in a BCS bowl game. It isn't like it has always been a bottom dredger. Now granted UConn is seemingly getting worse while Louisville is getting better so there is that.
The reality is the conference moves are about money and UConn just doesn't bring enough money to the table as it doesn't really add any markets to the ACC (with Cuse and St. John's the ACC already had NYC and BC already brings Boston). The ACC with no teams in Kentucky, gets a bunch of new markets including the fairly large market of Louisville. That is why Louisville was added and not Connecticut. It is also why Cincinnati was considered since it would bring an even larger market (though it isn't like Cincinnati has a stranglehold on the market as it does not).
Frankly this is why I'm surprised the Big 12 didn't just add Louisville and maybe Cincinnati when they added West Virginia last year. Made a lot of sense for that conference to get back to 12 (and a title game) and wouldn't leave West Virginia out on an island.
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So should the ACC just change around their divisions now? The Originators and New Arrivals?
Division 1.
Miami
BC
Pitt
Cuse
VT
Louisville
Division 2.
FSU
Clemson
VA
WF
UNC
NC St.
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So should the ACC just change around their divisions now? The Originators and New Arrivals?
Division 1.
Miami
BC
Pitt
Cuse
VT
Louisville
Division 2.
FSU
Clemson
VA
WF
UNC
NC St.
Duke & Georgia Tech are gonna be pretty peeved.
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So should the ACC just change around their divisions now? The Originators and New Arrivals?
Division 1.
Miami
BC
Pitt
Cuse
VT
Louisville
Division 2.
FSU
Clemson
VA
WF
UNC
NC St.
Duke & Georgia Tech are gonna be pretty peeved.
Haha i knew i was forgetting somebody. Alright Division 1 gets Duke Division 2 gets GT
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Well if I'm still living in Chicago in a couple of years and they're not playing in South Bend, Louisville is a easy trip to go see BC. Done the drive in the past for the Derby and certainly doable. I think before that, the closest school was one of the VA schools or MD.
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So should the ACC just change around their divisions now? The Originators and New Arrivals?
Division 1.
Miami
BC
Pitt
Cuse
VT
Louisville
Division 2.
FSU
Clemson
VA
WF
UNC
NC St.
Duke & Georgia Tech are gonna be pretty peeved.
Haha i knew i was forgetting somebody. Alright Division 1 gets Duke Division 2 gets GT
The ACC is still going to be a baketball league. FSU and Miami are the only schools that have any real credibility in football. As such, division alignment needs to be centered around basketball.
With that being said, Duke will be peeved if they have Louisville, Pitt & Syracuse in their division, while UNC gets the DRASTICALLY easier division.
#screwUNC!
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Banned for the 6th time from trolling the Uconn blog today. Those guys need a sense of humor
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So should the ACC just change around their divisions now? The Originators and New Arrivals?
Division 1.
Miami
BC
Pitt
Cuse
VT
Louisville
Division 2.
FSU
Clemson
VA
WF
UNC
NC St.
Duke & Georgia Tech are gonna be pretty peeved.
Haha i knew i was forgetting somebody. Alright Division 1 gets Duke Division 2 gets GT
The ACC is still going to be a baketball league. FSU and Miami are the only schools that have any real credibility in football. As such, division alignment needs to be centered around basketball.
With that being said, Duke will be peeved if they have Louisville, Pitt & Syracuse in their division, while UNC gets the DRASTICALLY easier division.
#screwUNC!
ACC doesn't do divisions in basketball. If you do conference tourney, you don't really need them.
You do the divisions in football to help establish a conference title game.
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Thinking about it for a minute, I believe the divisions could be structured to allow FSU and Miami to still be in separate divisons (because lets face it, those two schools still generate a TOn of money), while allowing a more fair basketball alignment.
Something along the lines of:
ACC North:
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Miami (yes I realize they are the southern most school)
ACC South:
Duke
UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
FSU
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So should the ACC just change around their divisions now? The Originators and New Arrivals?
Division 1.
Miami
BC
Pitt
Cuse
VT
Louisville
Division 2.
FSU
Clemson
VA
WF
UNC
NC St.
Duke & Georgia Tech are gonna be pretty peeved.
Haha i knew i was forgetting somebody. Alright Division 1 gets Duke Division 2 gets GT
The ACC is still going to be a baketball league. FSU and Miami are the only schools that have any real credibility in football. As such, division alignment needs to be centered around basketball.
With that being said, Duke will be peeved if they have Louisville, Pitt & Syracuse in their division, while UNC gets the DRASTICALLY easier division.
#screwUNC!
ACC doesn't do divisions in basketball. If you do conference tourney, you don't really need them.
You do the divisions in football to help establish a conference title game.
Going to 14 teams they might have/choose to though. Doesn't the current Big East have divisions?
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So should the ACC just change around their divisions now? The Originators and New Arrivals?
What definition of "originators"?
As I'm aware, the following teams have all joined the ACC at some point or another after the formation of the league.
FSU
Miami
Virginia Tech
Miami
Clemson
BC
Pitt
Louisville
Just about all, except FSU and Clemson, of these schools was at some point in the Big East.
I was just trying to come up with names. Now I seee why the big ten had such a hard time
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So should the ACC just change around their divisions now? The Originators and New Arrivals?
Division 1.
Miami
BC
Pitt
Cuse
VT
Louisville
Division 2.
FSU
Clemson
VA
WF
UNC
NC St.
Duke & Georgia Tech are gonna be pretty peeved.
Haha i knew i was forgetting somebody. Alright Division 1 gets Duke Division 2 gets GT
The ACC is still going to be a baketball league. FSU and Miami are the only schools that have any real credibility in football. As such, division alignment needs to be centered around basketball.
With that being said, Duke will be peeved if they have Louisville, Pitt & Syracuse in their division, while UNC gets the DRASTICALLY easier division.
#screwUNC!
ACC doesn't do divisions in basketball. If you do conference tourney, you don't really need them.
You do the divisions in football to help establish a conference title game.
Going to 14 teams they might have/choose to though. Doesn't the current Big East have divisions?
Not currently although I know they did for a period in the past.
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So should the ACC just change around their divisions now? The Originators and New Arrivals?
What definition of "originators"?
As I'm aware, the following teams have all joined the ACC at some point or another after the formation of the league.
FSU
Miami
Virginia Tech
Miami
Clemson
BC
Pitt
Louisville
Just about all, except FSU and Clemson, of these schools was at some point in the Big East.
I was just trying to come up with names. Now I seee why the big ten had such a hard time
Well, I actually double posted Miami, so I guess you could go with those 7, except FSU and Miami would be none too happy about being in the same division.
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The current ACC divisions are
Atlantic - FSU, NC St., Wake, Clemson, BC, Maryland
Coastal - Va Tech, Miami, UVA, Ga Tech, UNC, Duke
The ACC is losing Maryland and gaining Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Louisville
I think it will try to keep the three new teams together and put them in the Atlantic with FSU, BC, Clemson and Wake or NC St. and just move the other one to the Coastal. That seems to make the most sense to me, but I don't really know who the big rivals are and I imagine they will try their best to keep them together (since you will now have 6 games against your own division it makes it harder to keep a rival in the other division without going to 9 conf. games).
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The current ACC divisions are
Atlantic - FSU, NC St., Wake, Clemson, BC, Maryland
Coastal - Va Tech, Miami, UVA, Ga Tech, UNC, Duke
The ACC is losing Maryland and gaining Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Louisville
I think it will try to keep the three new teams together and put them in the Atlantic with FSU, BC, Clemson and Wake or NC St. and just move the other one to the Coastal. That seems to make the most sense to me, but I don't really know who the big rivals are and I imagine they will try their best to keep them together (since you will now have 6 games against your own division it makes it harder to keep a rival in the other division without going to 9 conf. games).
Im pretty sure Cuse already went to the atlantic and pitt to the coastal so I think the inclination is to just swap louisville and MD
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The current ACC divisions are
Atlantic - FSU, NC St., Wake, Clemson, BC, Maryland
Coastal - Va Tech, Miami, UVA, Ga Tech, UNC, Duke
The ACC is losing Maryland and gaining Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Louisville
I think it will try to keep the three new teams together and put them in the Atlantic with FSU, BC, Clemson and Wake or NC St. and just move the other one to the Coastal. That seems to make the most sense to me, but I don't really know who the big rivals are and I imagine they will try their best to keep them together (since you will now have 6 games against your own division it makes it harder to keep a rival in the other division without going to 9 conf. games).
Syracuse was already going to the Atlantic with Pitt going to Coastal. The natural thing to do would be to replace Maryland with Louisville in the Atlantic.
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The current ACC divisions are
Atlantic - FSU, NC St., Wake, Clemson, BC, Maryland
Coastal - Va Tech, Miami, UVA, Ga Tech, UNC, Duke
The ACC is losing Maryland and gaining Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Louisville
I think it will try to keep the three new teams together and put them in the Atlantic with FSU, BC, Clemson and Wake or NC St. and just move the other one to the Coastal. That seems to make the most sense to me, but I don't really know who the big rivals are and I imagine they will try their best to keep them together (since you will now have 6 games against your own division it makes it harder to keep a rival in the other division without going to 9 conf. games).
Syracuse was already going to the Atlantic with Pitt going to Coastal. The natural thing to do would be to replace Maryland with Louisville in the Atlantic.
ah that makes sense.
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All I can say with any certainty, is the ACC will still likely be the weakest auto-qualifying BCS confernece (its about time the Big East gets downgraded-they stink).
The ACC, on the other hand, is REALLY going to be a powerhouse basketball conference now, though.
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All I can say with any certainty, is the ACC will still likely be the weakest auto-qualifying BCS confernece (its about time the Big East gets downgraded-they stink).
The ACC, on the other hand, is REALLY going to be a powerhouse basketball conference now, though.
Big East has actually been much better than the ACC in BCS bowl games and highest ranked team at the close of the year. Quite funny when you really think about it.
The Big Ten/ACC challenge is going to be even better in a couple of years. I mean look at the rankings, 3 of the top 4 from the Big Ten, the rest of the top 6 will be new ACC. 1 more each in the top 14. 1 more ACC in the top 18 and 2 more Big Ten in the top 22. Matchups will be awesome in 2014.
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All I can say with any certainty, is the ACC will still likely be the weakest auto-qualifying BCS confernece (its about time the Big East gets downgraded-they stink).
The ACC, on the other hand, is REALLY going to be a powerhouse basketball conference now, though.
Big East has actually been much better than the ACC in BCS bowl games and highest ranked team at the close of the year. Quite funny when you really think about it.
The Big Ten/ACC challenge is going to be even better in a couple of years. I mean look at the rankings, 3 of the top 4 from the Big Ten, the rest of the top 6 will be new ACC. 1 more each in the top 14. 1 more ACC in the top 18 and 2 more Big Ten in the top 22. Matchups will be awesome in 2014.
Maybe thats true, i don't know for sure, but right now FSU, VT, Miami and Clemson are all much stronger football programs than any in the Big East
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All I can say with any certainty, is the ACC will still likely be the weakest auto-qualifying BCS confernece (its about time the Big East gets downgraded-they stink).
The ACC, on the other hand, is REALLY going to be a powerhouse basketball conference now, though.
Big East has actually been much better than the ACC in BCS bowl games and highest ranked team at the close of the year. Quite funny when you really think about it.
The Big Ten/ACC challenge is going to be even better in a couple of years. I mean look at the rankings, 3 of the top 4 from the Big Ten, the rest of the top 6 will be new ACC. 1 more each in the top 14. 1 more ACC in the top 18 and 2 more Big Ten in the top 22. Matchups will be awesome in 2014.
Maybe thats true, i don't know for sure, but right now FSU, VT, Miami and Clemson are all much stronger football programs than any in the Big East
Probably, but it hasn't led to big game success as the ACC still just has 2 BCS bowl game victories in the entire BCS bowl game history. FSU when it beat Va Tech to win the national title 13 years ago and Va Tech when it beat Cincinnati a couple of years ago. That's it. Pretty sad really.
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Florida Atlantic and Middle Tennessee leaving the Sun Belt to join Conference USA (to replace ECU and Tulane).
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All I can say with any certainty, is the ACC will still likely be the weakest auto-qualifying BCS confernece (its about time the Big East gets downgraded-they stink).
The ACC, on the other hand, is REALLY going to be a powerhouse basketball conference now, though.
Big East has actually been much better than the ACC in BCS bowl games and highest ranked team at the close of the year. Quite funny when you really think about it.
The Big Ten/ACC challenge is going to be even better in a couple of years. I mean look at the rankings, 3 of the top 4 from the Big Ten, the rest of the top 6 will be new ACC. 1 more each in the top 14. 1 more ACC in the top 18 and 2 more Big Ten in the top 22. Matchups will be awesome in 2014.
Maybe thats true, i don't know for sure, but right now FSU, VT, Miami and Clemson are all much stronger football programs than any in the Big East
Probably, but it hasn't led to big game success as the ACC still just has 2 BCS bowl game victories in the entire BCS bowl game history. FSU when it beat Va Tech to win the national title 13 years ago and Va Tech when it beat Cincinnati a couple of years ago. That's it. Pretty sad really.
Not really all that sad, still making more money and pumping out significantly more first round draft picks than the big east. 229 to 55 all time.
Edit: Also, most of our athletes go to class. Which is one of the reasons I am not a fan of the louisville add.
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Also how many of those BCS wins came from schools currently in the big east? Isnt that the fact worth of discussion?
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Also how many of those BCS wins came from schools currently in the big east? Isnt that the fact worth of discussion?
If you draw the line at 2004 or 2005 when Miami, Virginia Tech & later BC all left for the ACC (where you really should); only West Virginia (multiple) & Louisville have won BCS bowls as the Big East champ.
West Virgnia- now in the Big 12
Louisville - soon to be ACC
Cincinnati & UConn got waxed in their BCS bowls as Big East champs.
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Also how many of those BCS wins came from schools currently in the big east? Isnt that the fact worth of discussion?
If you draw the line at 2004 or 2005 when Miami, Virginia Tech & later BC all left for the ACC (where you really should); only West Virginia (multiple) & Louisville have won BCS bowls as the Big East champ.
West Virgnia- now in the Big 12
Louisville - soon to be ACC
Cincinnati & UConn got waxed in their BCS bowls as Big East champs.
All true, but it still doesn't change the fact that the ACC champion always gets waxed as well with just two wins EVER. Pretty darn sad that the ACC constantly takes the Big East's teams and then those teams get worse while new teams arise in the Big East to out perform the ACC. The two conference may end up playing again in the Orange Bowl this year. I think it would be hilarious if Rutgers or Louisville ends up beating Florida State or Georgia Tech yet again.
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Also how many of those BCS wins came from schools currently in the big east? Isnt that the fact worth of discussion?
If you draw the line at 2004 or 2005 when Miami, Virginia Tech & later BC all left for the ACC (where you really should); only West Virginia (multiple) & Louisville have won BCS bowls as the Big East champ.
West Virgnia- now in the Big 12
Louisville - soon to be ACC
Cincinnati & UConn got waxed in their BCS bowls as Big East champs.
All true, but it still doesn't change the fact that the ACC champion always gets waxed as well with just two wins EVER. Pretty darn sad that the ACC constantly takes the Big East's teams and then those teams get worse while new teams arise in the Big East to out perform the ACC. The two conference may end up playing again in the Orange Bowl this year. I think it would be hilarious if Rutgers or Louisville ends up beating Florida State or Georgia Tech yet again.
Kinda sad that all the teams that have succeeded in the big east have left for greener pastures do to terrible competition and management. A real tragedy
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Also how many of those BCS wins came from schools currently in the big east? Isnt that the fact worth of discussion?
If you draw the line at 2004 or 2005 when Miami, Virginia Tech & later BC all left for the ACC (where you really should); only West Virginia (multiple) & Louisville have won BCS bowls as the Big East champ.
West Virgnia- now in the Big 12
Louisville - soon to be ACC
Cincinnati & UConn got waxed in their BCS bowls as Big East champs.
All true, but it still doesn't change the fact that the ACC champion always gets waxed as well with just two wins EVER. Pretty darn sad that the ACC constantly takes the Big East's teams and then those teams get worse while new teams arise in the Big East to out perform the ACC. The two conference may end up playing again in the Orange Bowl this year. I think it would be hilarious if Rutgers or Louisville ends up beating Florida State or Georgia Tech yet again.
Let's face it, all these conferences have pretty much been fodder to the $EC in the BCS era. People can attack the ACC or Big East incessantly but you can easily go after the Big Ten or Big 12 also.
The records of the other major conferences in BCS games & BCS national title games isn't exactly glorious. Heck, the Big East, ACC, and Big Ten all have the same number of national titles in that span (1). Not good.
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Isn't everyone forgeting Notre Dame to the ACC for basketball?
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Also how many of those BCS wins came from schools currently in the big east? Isnt that the fact worth of discussion?
If you draw the line at 2004 or 2005 when Miami, Virginia Tech & later BC all left for the ACC (where you really should); only West Virginia (multiple) & Louisville have won BCS bowls as the Big East champ.
West Virgnia- now in the Big 12
Louisville - soon to be ACC
Cincinnati & UConn got waxed in their BCS bowls as Big East champs.
All true, but it still doesn't change the fact that the ACC champion always gets waxed as well with just two wins EVER. Pretty darn sad that the ACC constantly takes the Big East's teams and then those teams get worse while new teams arise in the Big East to out perform the ACC. The two conference may end up playing again in the Orange Bowl this year. I think it would be hilarious if Rutgers or Louisville ends up beating Florida State or Georgia Tech yet again.
Let's face it, all these conferences have pretty much been fodder to the $EC in the BCS era. People can attack the ACC or Big East incessantly but you can easily go after the Big Ten or Big 12 also.
The records of the other major conferences in BCS games & BCS national title games isn't exactly glorious. Heck, the Big East, ACC, and Big Ten all have the same number of national titles in that span (1). Not good.
Conference Records in BCS games (by percentage)
Mountain West 3-1
Southeastern 16-7
Western Athletic 2-1
Pac 12 11-7
Big East 7-7
Big Ten 12-13
Big 12 8-11
ACC 3-13 (sorry I forget FSU's win in the first year)
Notre Dame 0-3
Obviously the SEC is the best of the major conferences, but it is clear the ACC is the worst and it isn't close.
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Big Ten finally scrapping the nonsensical Leaders and Legends divisional names and once Rutgers and Maryland join will just go with the aptly named East and West with a straight geographical tilt. Purdue will be in the West and Indiana will be in the East and that will be the only protected game (i.e. play every year) among the divisions. The Big Ten is also going to a 9 game conference schedule, but that likely won't go into effect until 2016, though the divisions will go into effect for the 2014 season (when Rutgers and Maryland join).
So the Divisions are
EAST
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Michigan State
Indiana
Rutgers
Maryland
WEST
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Iowa
Illinois
Northwestern
Minnesota
Purdue
Slightly unbalanced towards the East, but a lot of the unbalance will be diminished at least for a few years while Penn State is still under heavy sanctions. It also means that OSU and UM will only be playing once a year, whereas they in theory could play twice next year (and in back to back weeks no less).
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Also how many of those BCS wins came from schools currently in the big east? Isnt that the fact worth of discussion?
If you draw the line at 2004 or 2005 when Miami, Virginia Tech & later BC all left for the ACC (where you really should); only West Virginia (multiple) & Louisville have won BCS bowls as the Big East champ.
West Virgnia- now in the Big 12
Louisville - soon to be ACC
Cincinnati & UConn got waxed in their BCS bowls as Big East champs.
All true, but it still doesn't change the fact that the ACC champion always gets waxed as well with just two wins EVER. Pretty darn sad that the ACC constantly takes the Big East's teams and then those teams get worse while new teams arise in the Big East to out perform the ACC. The two conference may end up playing again in the Orange Bowl this year. I think it would be hilarious if Rutgers or Louisville ends up beating Florida State or Georgia Tech yet again.
Let's face it, all these conferences have pretty much been fodder to the $EC in the BCS era. People can attack the ACC or Big East incessantly but you can easily go after the Big Ten or Big 12 also.
The records of the other major conferences in BCS games & BCS national title games isn't exactly glorious. Heck, the Big East, ACC, and Big Ten all have the same number of national titles in that span (1). Not good.
Conference Records in BCS games (by percentage)
Mountain West 3-1
Southeastern 16-7
Western Athletic 2-1
Pac 12 11-7
Big East 7-7
Big Ten 12-13
Big 12 8-11
ACC 3-13 (sorry I forget FSU's win in the first year)
Notre Dame 0-3
Obviously the SEC is the best of the major conferences, but it is clear the ACC is the worst and it isn't close.
Sadly, being good is irrelevant to college football. What matters is TV contracts.
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In an interesting turn of events, John Hopkins is joining the Big Ten in Men's Lacrosse for the 2015 season. The Big Ten needed a 6th team to get an automatic bid jointing Maryland, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and Rutgers (The women's Big Ten are those 5 and Northwestern and interesting enough Johns Hopkins will remain as an independent in women's lacrosse).
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It appears the Big 12 is going to expand to 12 teams this summer and will subject us all to more conference movement. My alma mater, Cincinnati, seems like a near lock to get 1 of the 2 invites (it is a big school, in a big football state, and will give WV a natural rival). The other one is up for debate with BYU, UCF, USF, Memphis, and Northern Illinois are the names most commonly being thrown around.