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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: P2 on March 10, 2011, 12:46:37 PM
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Since we have a lot of injured players, I thought it would be nice to have all the injury updates in one thread. As soon as somebody finds out something new, he shall post it here. I'll start:
Shaq (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/03/shaq_says_he_re.html) (Globe, March 7):
Speaking at his birthday celebration at the Boston Children's Museum, Shaquille O'Neal said today that he could be back on the court within a week and his sore right foot and Achilles tendon is improving.
For what it's worth, it means he'll be back vs. Milwaukee on March 13 or @ New Jersey on March 14.
But then again (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2011/03/10/celtics_dont_have_much_time_to_adjust_to_changes/) (Globe, March 10):
Delonte West and Shaquille O’Neal could come back within a week, according to coach Doc Rivers. But they’re racing against the clock.
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Baby (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2011/03/10/celtics_dont_have_much_time_to_adjust_to_changes/) (Globe, March 10):
Glen Davis (strained left patellar tendon) could be the first player to return from injury (albeit not this weekend, in all likelihood)
Maybe March 14 @ New Jersey.
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Delonte (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2011/03/10/celtics_dont_have_much_time_to_adjust_to_changes/) (Globe, March 10):
Delonte West and Shaquille O’Neal could come back within a week, according to coach Doc Rivers. But they’re racing against the clock.
Seriously, what the heck? First they said two games at most, then 4 games (which would put him back vs. LAC), and today maybe one week?
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Wafer (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1322306&format=&page=2&listingType=celt#articleFull) (Herald, March 10):
Von Wafer said he is meeting with the Celtics [team stats] medical staff to learn more about the nature of his strained right calf, though the prognosis only seems to get worse for the guard.
“Von is going to be out for awhile,” said Rivers. “He’ll return, but two weeks, maybe three, maybe longer.”
I would say end of March, beginning of April. But why the heck did they say 2-3 games at most directly after the injury?
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Jermaine (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1322306&format=&page=2&listingType=celt#articleFull) (Herald, March 10):
Danny Ainge still believes that Jermaine O’Neal will return late in the regular season.
“I think he is going to play before the regular season is over,” the Celtics’ president of basketball operations said. “He’s going great, and he feels good. He’s upbeat. This is the most optimistic that I’ve seen him since he’s been here.”
Same as for Wafer. More like last week of the regular season.
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Good thread idea. I stickied it.
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Good thread idea. I stickied it.
Thanks! ;)
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Good thread idea. I stickied it.
Great thread + it'll be a very useful sticky thread.
Great to have one place to go to for latest on injury situations.
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I can't lie, the injury news on Delonte and Wafer are also bothering me. I have a hard time calling all of this simply being ultra-conservative.
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Forsberg's Twitter, YouTube channel and ESPN Celtics Blog also has updates frequently.
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Didn't I hear Max and Grande last night say Shaq has been pushed out another two weeks?
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I can't lie, the injury news on Delonte and Wafer are also bothering me. I have a hard time calling all of this simply being ultra-conservative.
I don't think they are being conservative with Wafer. I think he has an injury that is going to take a while to heal.
Delonte is just an injury prone guy in general, so I think they are being extra careful with him. I think they learned their lesson a bit from rushing him back before, and are waiting until he is really 100%.
With the big guys however, I really think they are being ultra conservative, which is why I think you can throw out any dates for them coming back.
Particularly with Shaq and JO, they have no rush to get them back, and are going to continue to hold out as long as they can, with the hopes of having them healthy for the playoffs.
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Particularly with Shaq and JO, they have no rush to get them back, and are going to continue to hold out as long as they can, with the hopes of having them healthy for the playoffs.
But we have to hope they won't be rusty, and they also have to get down some substantial playing time with the new guys before the playoffs start.
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I don't understand why Von doesn't play through a strained calf. It doesn't seem like a crippling injury and he doesn't play that many minutes anyways.
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I can't lie, the injury news on Delonte and Wafer are also bothering me. I have a hard time calling all of this simply being ultra-conservative.
I don't think they are being conservative with Wafer. I think he has an injury that is going to take a while to heal.
Delonte is just an injury prone guy in general, so I think they are being extra careful with him. I think they learned their lesson a bit from rushing him back before, and are waiting until he is really 100%.
With the big guys however, I really think they are being ultra conservative, which is why I think you can throw out any dates for them coming back.
Particularly with Shaq and JO, they have no rush to get them back, and are going to continue to hold out as long as they can, with the hopes of having them healthy for the playoffs.
I hope and expect that they have Shaq back a week or two before the season ends to get him adjusted with the flow of the game again.
Jermaine in a perfect world I'd say the say, but one week or the start of the playoffs is what I'm hoping for him.
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I don't understand why Von doesn't play through a strained calf. It doesn't seem like a crippling injury and he doesn't play that many minutes anyways.
Strained calfs are very linguring injuries and you don't want to play on them until you are completely sure it is healed because they very easy to reinjur and set you back.
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I don't understand why Von doesn't play through a strained calf. It doesn't seem like a crippling injury and he doesn't play that many minutes anyways.
Whatever the pain level, a strained calf would make it very tough to jump, and where his only real strength is his jumpshooting, and athleticism, I think he is better off letting it heal.
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I don't understand why Von doesn't play through a strained calf. It doesn't seem like a crippling injury and he doesn't play that many minutes anyways.
Whatever the pain level, a strained calf would make it very tough to jump, and where his only real strength is his jumpshooting, and athleticism, I think he is better off letting it heal.
Plus the only way to recover from a strain is to rest it. (well rest plus rehab/treatment)
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Great thread. It will be a good place for info and clearly shows how the celtics try to minimize every injury aand how basically no one comes back when they are supposed to.
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TP P2, this is a great idea for a thread.
I'm surprised nobody thought of this before.
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Small Shaq update (http://espn.go.com/blog/BostonCeltics/post/_/id/4681541/shaq-the-elderly-pizza-bingo-and-square-dancing) (from yesterday):
After pegging himself at 85 percent on Monday's birthday visit to the Boston Children's Museum, O'Neal playfully deemed himself 84.2271156442222 percent Thursday.
"I can't give you a date because there's a little pain fluctuation," said O'Neal. "I've been told by Doc, [trainer] Ed Lacerte, and Doc Hollywood [team physician] Brian McKeon to not even come talk until I'm 100 percent. I'm working out, shooting, doing light stuff. When the pain is gone, they told me to add three days [then he'll be back.]"
I can't stand the "pushing the dates back" mentality. Shouldn't Shaq have been playing against the Clippers already, and even before that on the weekend? Reminds me a lot of the Garnett injury in 2009.
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Well we've won a good percentage of games recently with Krstic. Five out of the last six which is a .83% winning percentage. So why rush it?
I think to hear them finally say improvement is a guy thing. An achilles isn't an injury to take lightly and it pops it will be game over for Shaq careerwise. I know this is probably his last hoorah but best to take it easy.
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On BBD:
@ESPNForsberg Glen Davis is here with team. Planned to test left knee during walkthru, hoping to practice Saturday.
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On BBD:
@ESPNForsberg Glen Davis is here with team. Planned to test left knee during walkthru, hoping to practice Saturday.
Doc was on the radio the other day and he said that Baby should be the first player back, possibly on Sunday (or whenever our next game is after tonight).
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He shot with 2nd unit but wont play:
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2011/03/11/baby-shoots-with-2nd-unit-but-wont-play/
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He shot with 2nd unit but wont play:
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2011/03/11/baby-shoots-with-2nd-unit-but-wont-play/
Nice!
I hope to see him back on Sunday, but Monday would be great, too!
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SherrodbCSN
#celtics d.rivers is hopeful that glen davis will play sunday vs #bucks.
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SherrodbCSN
#celtics d.rivers is hopeful that glen davis will play sunday vs #bucks.
Nice one, TP!
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OK, update on Baby and Delonte (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2011_0312baby_takes_first_steps_davis_aims_for_return_tomorrow/).
“He looked better, but he didn’t do enough,” said Rivers. “It was just skeleton work. Nothing strenuous. I do think he’ll play (tomorrow), though we don’t know for sure.
“Delonte (West) is doubtful for (tomorrow), but we’re hopeful for next week,” Rivers said of the guard, who is recovering from a right ankle sprain. “We have a lot of games, so hopefully we’re going to get a lot of these guys.”
So Big Baby back tomorrow, if not, then definitely @ NJ, and Delonte is being tagged 'hopeful' for NJ.
Anyone got updates on Shaq? He should've been playing by now.
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Since I'm going to the Nets game at the Prudential Center, I'd appreciate being able to see BBD and Delonte. Maybe even Shaq, although that seems very unlikely.
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OK, update on Baby and Delonte (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2011_0312baby_takes_first_steps_davis_aims_for_return_tomorrow/).
“He looked better, but he didn’t do enough,” said Rivers. “It was just skeleton work. Nothing strenuous. I do think he’ll play (tomorrow), though we don’t know for sure.
“Delonte (West) is doubtful for (tomorrow), but we’re hopeful for next week,” Rivers said of the guard, who is recovering from a right ankle sprain. “We have a lot of games, so hopefully we’re going to get a lot of these guys.”
So Big Baby back tomorrow, if not, then definitely @ NJ, and Delonte is being tagged 'hopeful' for NJ.
Anyone got updates on Shaq? He should've been playing by now.
Just Cedric Maxwell saying he'll be back April 1st.
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OK, update on Baby and Delonte (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2011_0312baby_takes_first_steps_davis_aims_for_return_tomorrow/).
“He looked better, but he didn’t do enough,” said Rivers. “It was just skeleton work. Nothing strenuous. I do think he’ll play (tomorrow), though we don’t know for sure.
“Delonte (West) is doubtful for (tomorrow), but we’re hopeful for next week,” Rivers said of the guard, who is recovering from a right ankle sprain. “We have a lot of games, so hopefully we’re going to get a lot of these guys.”
So Big Baby back tomorrow, if not, then definitely @ NJ, and Delonte is being tagged 'hopeful' for NJ.
Anyone got updates on Shaq? He should've been playing by now.
Any updates on Shaq are pretty much worthless. They are holding him out as long as they can, until he can get to as close to 100% as possible. Most likely, we will just hear on the day of the game he is going to come back...and I wouldn't expect it too much earlier than April. They will try to get him a few tuneups before the playoffs, but not push it more than that.
I actually would expect JO to play before Shaq. Doc said last week that he felt Shaq could be effective in the playoffs without any warmup games, but said he thinks JO needs to get a rhythm if he is going to be effective for the playoffs. So, I think they will be more inclined to get JO into a handful of games before the playoffs than they will with Shaq.
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With Baby back, Murphy coming to life and Krstic delivering, Shaq may sit longer still.
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I actually would expect JO to play before Shaq. Doc said last week that he felt Shaq could be effective in the playoffs without any warmup games, but said he thinks JO needs to get a rhythm if he is going to be effective for the playoffs. So, I think they will be more inclined to get JO into a handful of games before the playoffs than they will with Shaq.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Jermaine O'Neal usually needs time to play himself back into shape. To work off the rust in his game and get back to making decisions at game speed. He also has problems trusting his body again after sitting out with an injury and needs games to build up his confidence in his physical capacity. So yeah, I think Jermaine is a guy who needs to get some games under his belt before the playoffs start.
Not worried about Shaq (in this regard). He'll be fine. He knows his body, what he is capable of physically and staying within those limitations and working his game around those limitations. A very good understanding of his physical capacity + his skill-set unlike Jermaine. Shaq will be fine.
Shaq came back late last year for Cleveland (start of playoffs after sitting out since late February) and he was ready to go from the first game. No concerns about a late return from him.
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I actually would expect JO to play before Shaq. Doc said last week that he felt Shaq could be effective in the playoffs without any warmup games, but said he thinks JO needs to get a rhythm if he is going to be effective for the playoffs. So, I think they will be more inclined to get JO into a handful of games before the playoffs than they will with Shaq.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Jermaine O'Neal usually needs time to play himself back into shape. To work off the rust in his game and get back to making decisions at game speed. He also has problems trusting his body again after sitting out with an injury and needs games to build up his confidence in his physical capacity. So yeah, I think Jermaine is a guy who needs to get some games under his belt before the playoffs start.
Not worried about Shaq (in this regard). He'll be fine. He knows his body, what he is capable of physically and staying within those limitations and working his game around those limitations. A very good understanding of his physical capacity + his skill-set unlike Jermaine. Shaq will be fine.
Shaq came back late last year for Cleveland (start of playoffs after sitting out since late February) and he was ready to go from the first game. No concerns about a late return from him.
The other thing Doc said about Shaq was that he is so big, even if he is rusty, he makes an impact just by being in there clogging the middle. Jermaine on the other hand needs to be using his skills, because he just is not as imposing.
I certainly agree with that.
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No longer a Celtic, but whatever:
SpearsNBAYahoo
Thunder say newcomer center Kendrick Perkins will start in his debut against Washington tonight.
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New tweet about JO
http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN/status/50577722681999360
For those wanting the latest on J.O'Neal, he's in Chicago working out with training guru Tim Grover. Still on pace to return in couple wks.
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On Shaq: http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN/status/50586169129447424
On #CSNNE.com, here's the latest on Shaquille O'Neal and whether he'll make his long-awaited return tonight. http://bit.ly/fOAtOI
And from the article...
The long-awaited return of Shaquille O'Neal?
It looks like it won't be tonight.
A team official told CSNNE.com that O'Neal did not participate in the team's closed walk-through this morning.
While it's still possible for him to suit up against the Memphis Grizzlies tonight, it seems unlikely.
Prior to Boston's first game of the trip at Houston, O'Neal told reporters he was hopeful that he would be able to play at some point this week.
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Maybe by next week JO? I bit too optimistic I think, but at least it gives some hope at having an additional body for the playoffs:
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2011/03/23/jermaine-oneal-may-be-ready-by-next-week/
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Maybe by next week JO? I bit too optimistic I think, but at least it gives some hope at having an additional body for the playoffs:
http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2011/03/23/jermaine-oneal-may-be-ready-by-next-week/
Dannys sound very optimistic and excited about JO's condition once again.
To me the biggest good news in the article are this :
The most encouraging news, according to Ainge, is that O’Neal has been able to work out for approximately three weeks without swelling. In addition to working out with a trainer, the center has been playing 1-ob-1 basketball.
“That’s always the challenge,” said Ainge. “He’s been working out for that long without swelling, which is a big consideration.”
And that :
O’Neal also lost approximately 12 pounds during his rehabilitation.
No more swelling means JO should finally last more than two games once he comes back, and the lost pounds are always good to make him more mobile.
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Definite good news on JO. Hope to see him back in a jersey ASAP.
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The return date has been consistent on JO ever since his surgery, so this continues to be good news. I hope he really is back next week, because as we saw early in the season, he needs a little time to get his timing back.
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WOW 8) !!!!!!! That is super to hear. Maybe in a couiple more weeks, he'll get a bit of lift back and energy. Don't care if he can score period.
Just want his long frame in the game to swat at Roses layups and provide a defensive wall to keep LBJ and Dwade out of the paint. Finally , provide some muscle to bang & bump & push on Bynum and Gasol , screw up their timing/shot selection.
JO can help us IF he feels good.
Would be cool to see Shaq, JO and KG in at the same time to stare down LA 's bigs. LA plays their three bigs together and this is how they intimidate /dominate the boards. It would be a battle for the ages.
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On another note (not really Celtics related now) Marquis will have surgery next week and he hopes it will allow him to simply be able again to play basketball... hope it goes well : http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/03/daniels_will_ha.html?comments=all#readerComm
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Shaq and Jermaine news is looking really good.
If those two can return healthy we are a MUCH better team then we were pre trade.
Stronger and more talented frontline
Much more talented bench.
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I think Shaq was banged up BUT I think Shaq was out of shape and the Cs told him to get in shape for the playoffs....
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On another note (not really Celtics related now) Marquis will have surgery next week and he hopes it will allow him to simply be able again to play basketball... hope it goes well : http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/03/daniels_will_ha.html?comments=all#readerComm
TP, Drucci. I hope he can play again, and most of all, to live his life without health concerns.
On the O'Neal brothers, Danny's gamble could end with the Celtics winning it all. Can't wait to see them playing again.
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Yeah I hope Marquis will come out strong of this one. It would suck for him to see his career end so early.
A new "update" on Shaq : out for 4 or 5 more days according to Doc Rivers. At this point I just wonder why they even keep giving timetables if they already know they're going to delay them one after the other. ::)
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Kind of scary, that the article on marquis says that his surgery hopes to stop the episodes he's been "having", where he loses feeling when hit. The word "having" possibly indicating, that it wasn't just the one time on the court that he lost function :(
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Yeah I hope Marquis will come out strong of this one. It would suck for him to see his career end so early.
A new "update" on Shaq : out for 4 or 5 more days according to Doc Rivers. At this point I just wonder why they even keep giving timetables if they already know they're going to delay them one after the other. ::)
Yea, I saw the video and he did not say out 4 or 5 more days, he said "You know he's coming back soon enough, I don't know what the date is... or if it's in the you know, next 4 or 5 days or anything like that... but the same thing with JO obviously the clocks ticking... (etc)" So, Shaq could be back on Fri., 4-5 days, or longer because Doc doesn't know. I guess you can't count that as a timetable if the person who would give the time doesn't even know.
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Yea I don't count as an update by Doc, either. Friday is a strong possibility until he's not suited up come game time.
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Though as the front page tells us, JO could be back by the end of the week.
While I've liked Krstic, I'd love to see JO have a major comeback and knock Krstic from the playoff rotation. Quite frankly, a healthy JO can knock down an open jumper and play much, much better defense.
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On Monday, Doc said shaq could play in 4 or 5 days. This morning on EEI, Doc just said Shaq could be back in 4 or 5 days. He also said JO will travel to Indiana, but likely won't play. Am I the only one who has had it with the Shaq business? Remember, when he first got hurt it was going to be two or three games. He has missed almost two months and 21 games.
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On Monday, Doc said shaq could play in 4 or 5 days. This morning on EEI, Doc just said Shaq could be back in 4 or 5 days. He also said JO will travel to Indiana, but likely won't play. Am I the only one who has had it with the Shaq business? Remember, when he first got hurt it was going to be two or three games. He has missed almost two months and 21 games.
I don't really care about Shaq being out injured for the past two months so long as he is ready to play when the playoffs roll around.
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On Monday, Doc said shaq could play in 4 or 5 days. This morning on EEI, Doc just said Shaq could be back in 4 or 5 days. He also said JO will travel to Indiana, but likely won't play. Am I the only one who has had it with the Shaq business? Remember, when he first got hurt it was going to be two or three games. He has missed almost two months and 21 games.
I don't really care about Shaq being out injured for the past two months so long as he is ready to play when the playoffs roll around.
Same feeling here. I just want him healthy and effective for the playoffs.
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On Monday, Doc said shaq could play in 4 or 5 days. This morning on EEI, Doc just said Shaq could be back in 4 or 5 days. He also said JO will travel to Indiana, but likely won't play. Am I the only one who has had it with the Shaq business? Remember, when he first got hurt it was going to be two or three games. He has missed almost two months and 21 games.
Obviously, I would like Shaq back sooner rather than later, but not at the expense of his health. He's an old dude, who's been playing close to two decades of pro basketball. Whatever is ailing him, its no shock that it is taking time for him to heal.
On the other injured players, the Celtics management has been pretty accurate with their forcecast of when the player would be back.
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http://twitter.com/carolynmanno
At #Celtics practice, Von Wafer back on the court with team
Troy Murphy sprained his right ankle at practice and left early. Day to day for #Celtics
Good news on Wafer, not what I wanted to hear about anyone as far as Murphy.
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Shaq is back in a Boot....i hope that doesn’t mean any more delays.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4682105/sources-shaq-got-shot-back-in-boot
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Not sure if this deserves a thread of it's own, but an update from Delonte on his injury tonight:
#cetics d. West injures right ankle. Questionable for sunday's game vs #timberwolves.
http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN
West's ankle flared up after pushing himself hard Thursday and Doc held him out at end Friday. Said he plans to play Sunday vs. 'Wolves.
http://twitter.com/ESPNForsberg
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Reading the Globe this morning, it is clear that Delonte is not going to be right the rest of the year. Not good. I like the guy, but it looks like another bad pickup by Danny.
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Doc Rivers said Shaqs target date to return is April 3 vs. DET
http://twitter.com/#!/gwashburn14
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Doc Rivers said Shaqs target date to return is April 3 vs. DET
http://twitter.com/#!/gwashburn14
Looks like its April 5th now.
Rivers said he actually believes April 5 against the Philadelphia 76ers is the most likely date to expect to pull the Diesel back out of the garage.
Link (http://espn.go.com/blog/BostonCeltics/post/_/id/4682179/rivers-targets-april-5-return-for-shaq)
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This is hysterical. Shaq's return date is now April 5th. All you can do now is laugh. This is like the 4th or 5th return date we have heard for him.
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Another Shaq return date. Whhheeeeeeeeee... ::)
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This is hysterical. Shaq's return date is now April 5th. All you can do now is laugh. This is like the 4th or 5th return date we have heard for him.
Yeah, and the first was at the end of February.
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Looks like Shaq is heeding the words of John Fogerty and CCR --"Someday Never Comes".
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Looks like Shaq is heeding the words of John Fogerty and CCR --"Someday Never Comes".
Hahaha, TP! Very true! Like I've been telling people since over a month, Shaq is done for the year!
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This is hysterical. Shaq's return date is now April 5th. All you can do now is laugh. This is like the 4th or 5th return date we have heard for him.
To be fair, only a "team source" said Shaq would be back April 1. Unless that was Doc himself, I won't consider that a setback for Shaq just yet.
Now, if we hear he can't be back April 5...THEN we have issues.
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This is hysterical. Shaq's return date is now April 5th. All you can do now is laugh. This is like the 4th or 5th return date we have heard for him.
It seems like Danny and his doctors are really having a very intense darts game with the injury calendar tonight. What did I hit? What did I hit? Is that a 3 or a 5?
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Whats the point of even having Shaq come back before the playoffs only to risk injury yet again?
Let him build chemistry in the first round where our opponent is going to be terrible. Knicks/Bobcats/Bucks/Pacers are all terrible teams, Knicks are on a 7 game losing streak and are playing worse then the Celtics right now.
IMO Shaq shouldnt play a minute until the first round.
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I went snooping around the Celtics medical facility last night and was able to video tape this exchange between the head of the medical staff and Jermaine O'Neal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTz8rKJk-Vw
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This is hysterical. Shaq's return date is now April 5th. All you can do now is laugh. This is like the 4th or 5th return date we have heard for him.
To be fair, only a "team source" said Shaq would be back April 1. Unless that was Doc himself, I won't consider that a setback for Shaq just yet.
Now, if we hear he can't be back April 5...THEN we have issues.
They have been saying he is going to be back since early March. The Celtics are a disaster when it comes to communications about injury timelines.
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This is hysterical. Shaq's return date is now April 5th. All you can do now is laugh. This is like the 4th or 5th return date we have heard for him.
To be fair, only a "team source" said Shaq would be back April 1. Unless that was Doc himself, I won't consider that a setback for Shaq just yet.
Now, if we hear he can't be back April 5...THEN we have issues.
They have been saying he is going to be back since early March. The Celtics are a disaster when it comes to communications about injury timelines.
Why keep paying attention to them. They aren't any worse than the rest of the league. You simply only pay attention to our situation.
Anyways, it seems like JO will be joining the team in Indiana, but he won't dress to play. I think more than anything it has to do with him being away from the team for so long than his inability to get in the floor, seems like he could be ready soon.
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I'm anxious to see what JO can do. If he can play like he did last year (which was only about 60% of what he was a few years ago), he will make up for much of what we lost with Perk on the defensive end.
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http://twitter.com/sherrodbcsn
#celtics JO targets #spurs game on thursday for his return.
#Celtics JO said he can practice now w/o limitations. First time since he left the #Heat last year. 2 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®
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Hey JO, where have you been?
http://yfrog.com/h4psiqxj
http://yfrog.com/h2497esj
http://yfrog.com/gyzbtqnj
Looks like he might play on Thursday.
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Very interesting (and exciting) to hear that JO can now basically practice for the first time as a Celtic (!) without limitations! Hopefully he doesn't suffer any setbacks, I'm really eager to see him back, I'm confident he will be a big addition to the team.
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I don't expect much from JO other than 6 fouls and decent defense. Every time I've seen him on the court this season he's looked like a rookie, unsure and lacking confidence. If I had to choose between him and Sheed, I'd almost take Sheed(No I still wouldn't take Sheed he sucks! but almost :P.). Hopefully he can earn his contract in the play-offs, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Has Shaq's return been pushed back from April 5 already? April 13?
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An update on Shaq
As his teammates practiced at the AT&T Center yesterday, Shaquille O’Neal was at the Celtics practice facility in Waltham going through a private workout that included running and shooting.
But whether he returns for a regular-season game or waits until the playoffs is anyone’s guess.
“I don’t have any idea,” Celtics general manager Danny Ainge said after watching the workout by O’Neal, who is attempting to recover from a sore right Achilles tendon. “It could be a week or two weeks.
“I watched him work out, and he’s starting to do things on the court. We’re just still not sure of when he’s going to come back.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1327298&format=text
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Hehe, April 5, eh? How many times do I have to repeat that he is done for the season for people to believe me?
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Hehe, April 5, eh? How many times do I have to repeat that he is done for the season for people to believe me?
Most of us are still holding out hope, and just refuse to believe that Danny was stupid / arrogant enough to trade Perk if there was a realistic shot of Shaq being out for the playoffs.
My guess is that Shaq misses the regular season, but that they try to play him in the playoffs.
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Hehe, April 5, eh? How many times do I have to repeat that he is done for the season for people to believe me?
Most of us are still holding out hope, and just refuse to believe that Danny was stupid / arrogant enough to trade Perk if there was a realistic shot of Shaq being out for the playoffs.
My guess is that Shaq misses the regular season, but that they try to play him in the playoffs.
I think they'll have Shaq play the last game or so of the regular season that the starters play.
I'm very interested in seeing Jermaine tonight.
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Hehe, April 5, eh? How many times do I have to repeat that he is done for the season for people to believe me?
Most of us are still holding out hope, and just refuse to believe that Danny was stupid / arrogant enough to trade Perk if there was a realistic shot of Shaq being out for the playoffs.
My guess is that Shaq misses the regular season, but that they try to play him in the playoffs.
I agree with this 100 percent. If the guy is just getting on the court now, there is no way he plays April 5. Also, remember that two weeks ago he accompanied the team on a roadtrip because Doc said he was getting close to returning and he wanted him to be with the team to start picking things up, etc. There definitely was a setback. I don't see how anyone can deny this fact.
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So, he's at least working out, albeit privately? I'm not sure what to take from this. So he's healthy enough to work out, but not with the team?
Hmm...I'd actually wanna wait till April 5 and see what they say then.
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Hehe, April 5, eh? How many times do I have to repeat that he is done for the season for people to believe me?
Most of us are still holding out hope, and just refuse to believe that Danny was stupid / arrogant enough to trade Perk if there was a realistic shot of Shaq being out for the playoffs.
My guess is that Shaq misses the regular season, but that they try to play him in the playoffs.
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I agree with this 100 percent. If the guy is just getting on the court now, there is no way he plays April 5. Also, remember that two weeks ago he accompanied the team on a roadtrip because Doc said he was getting close to returning and he wanted him to be with the team to start picking things up, etc. There definitely was a setback. I don't see how anyone can deny this fact.
]JO or bust hobbled and coming off knee surgery were in trouble.
Shaq will not give us anything.
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I will be shocked if they don't put Shaq out there for a couple of games. Shaq is willing to take a "needle" and go try it. So I don't think the question is will Shaq play, as I am pretty sure he will, rather, what form of Shaq will it be. If he is say 70% or 80%, he may not be any better than Krstic.
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Who could've guessed that JO would come back before Shaq? If he doesn't end up coming back Danny wins worst GM. Seriously the trade would almost cancel out the 07 trade.
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Who could've guessed that JO would come back before Shaq?
I am not surprised at all. After Shaq got pushed back a couple times, I started expecting it to be closer to the playoffs. JO was always on a pretty set timeframe after the surgery.
Of course now, I am starting to worry Shaq won't be back at all, but I don't think there was ever any hard push to get him back before the playoffs.
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http://twitter.com/#!/SherrodbCSN
SherrodbCSN A. Sherrod Blakely
#Celtics N. Krstic says he will play vs #sixers tomorrow.
http://twitter.com/#!/gwashburn14
gwashburn14 gary washburn
Shaq may be back Fri vs. WSH according to Doc Rivers #celtics
Good news on Krstic, and get well soon, Shaq.
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Murphy is coming back, too. So, at last, three available Centers at the same time! So long, small ball (I hope)!
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ESPNForsberg Chris Forsberg
in your daily Shaq watch: Doc reiterates that he could potentially play Sunday. said: "He's feeling better; doing great from what I hear."
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ESPNForsberg Chris Forsberg
in your daily Shaq watch: Doc reiterates that he could potentially play Sunday. said: "He's feeling better; doing great from what I hear."
The pieces are all falling in place this is great.
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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1329422&srvc=sports&position=recent (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1329422&srvc=sports&position=recent)
celtics staff/doc are meeting with shaq this morning, and if he feels good, probably playing against the heat and traveling with the team.
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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1329422&srvc=sports&position=recent (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1329422&srvc=sports&position=recent)
celtics staff/doc are meeting with shaq this morning, and if he feels good, probably playing against the heat and traveling with the team.
TP, this is fantastic news. It's gonna be a great game I think.
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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1329422&srvc=sports&position=recent (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1329422&srvc=sports&position=recent)
celtics staff/doc are meeting with shaq this morning, and if he feels good, probably playing against the heat and traveling with the team.
TP, this is fantastic news. It's gonna be a great game I think.
Nice. But something tells me (heaven forbid) there's going to be some sort of setback and Shaq returns only for Game 1 of the First Round.
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Got your hopes up too soon >:(
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4682710/shaq-does-not-travel-out-vs-heat-wiz
Celtics center Shaquille O'Neal did not travel with the team to Miami Saturday and has been ruled out for both of Boston's final two road games of the season.
Celtics coach Doc Rivers had said Friday that it was unlikely that Shaq would travel and, sure enough, he was the only player left behind as Boston will carry 14 healthy bodies for Sunday's showdown in Miami and Monday's visit to Washington.
With no scheduled practice days before the regular-season finale, it would appear that O'Neal might not be back on the floor until the postseason. The Celtics play game No. 82 on Wednesday night when the Knicks visit the TD Garden, then will likely enjoy three offdays before the first round of the Eastern Conference playoffs open.
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We got JO that's more than enough to beat the heat.
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Nice. But something tells me (heaven forbid) there's going to be some sort of setback and Shaq returns only for Game 1 of the First Round.
Wow, TP.
Did you call it, or did you call it!? It only took 20 minutes for you to be proven right!
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Got your hopes up too soon >:(
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4682710/shaq-does-not-travel-out-vs-heat-wiz
Celtics center Shaquille O'Neal did not travel with the team to Miami Saturday and has been ruled out for both of Boston's final two road games of the season.
Celtics coach Doc Rivers had said Friday that it was unlikely that Shaq would travel and, sure enough, he was the only player left behind as Boston will carry 14 healthy bodies for Sunday's showdown in Miami and Monday's visit to Washington.
With no scheduled practice days before the regular-season finale, it would appear that O'Neal might not be back on the floor until the postseason. The Celtics play game No. 82 on Wednesday night when the Knicks visit the TD Garden, then will likely enjoy three offdays before the first round of the Eastern Conference playoffs open.
Just saw this over at the Boston Globe. That's fine, better to rest him anyway. The game tomorrow will still be exciting regardless.
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i expect we don't see shaq until round two. they can beat the knicks and sixers without him
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http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/04/ainge_shaq_will.html (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/04/ainge_shaq_will.html)
ainge says Shaq is going to practice thursday/Friday and should be ready for game 1 of the playoffs
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Alright, I just hope Delonte will be ready, too!
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Shaq needs to play regardless to get in shape and get his timing.
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we need shaq vs the knicks. the more size we have thebetter...plus he gets in shape.
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we need shaq vs the knicks. the more size we have the better...plus he gets in shape.
Shaq looked to be in pretty darn good shape in his limited minutes against Detroit.
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http://twitter.com/#!/scott_souza/status/58590710722600960
scott_souza
Shaquille O'Neal on practice floor, will try to do walkthrough today
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West is back without limitations. Shaq didn't practice, but will do so tomorrow. If the practice is good, he will play in Game 1.
Asked if he would rule O'Neal out for Game 1, Rivers said it was still too early to do that.
"No, we'll find out [Saturday]," said Rivers. "He’ll practice, hopefully [Saturday], then we’ll make a decision after that."
On the more definitive side, the Celtics enjoyed having 14 healthy bodies on the court, including Delonte West, who moved without limitation just four days after re-aggravating a right ankle injury.
Link (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4682979/shaq-sits-out-no-limitations-for-west).
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Frankly, I'm buoyed more by the news about Delonte than about Shaq.
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So when is Shaq going to play again? I really hope he is back for Game 1 against Miami, if not, he's probably done. If someone has any news, please don't hesitate to post them here.
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Word going around is that Shaq is attempting to play with a partial achilles tear....after I heard it, I rewatched how he got hurt (again) and it makes sense. Intense pain, no real mechanism of injury, and his obvious inability to walk directly after. Since the calf muscle is a part of the achilles, I guess the vagueness of the injury report can encapsulate the truth.
If this is accurate, it means very little mobility, very little lift, and a whole lotta pain.
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Word going around is that Shaq is attempting to play with a partial achilles tear....after I heard it, I rewatched how he got hurt (again) and it makes sense. Intense pain, no real mechanism of injury, and his obvious inability to walk directly after. Since the calf muscle is a part of the achilles, I guess the vagueness of the injury report can encapsulate the truth.
If this is accurate, it means very little mobility, very little lift, and a whole lotta pain.
Not good news! >:(
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Where did you hear that? Is there any offical report on this?
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Word going around is that Shaq is attempting to play with a partial achilles tear....after I heard it, I rewatched how he got hurt (again) and it makes sense. Intense pain, no real mechanism of injury, and his obvious inability to walk directly after. Since the calf muscle is a part of the achilles, I guess the vagueness of the injury report can encapsulate the truth.
If this is accurate, it means very little mobility, very little lift, and a whole lotta pain.
Come on what is with these trolls word going around is bla blah then they never go on to name the source ::)
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Word going around is that Shaq is attempting to play with a partial achilles tear....after I heard it, I rewatched how he got hurt (again) and it makes sense. Intense pain, no real mechanism of injury, and his obvious inability to walk directly after. Since the calf muscle is a part of the achilles, I guess the vagueness of the injury report can encapsulate the truth.
If this is accurate, it means very little mobility, very little lift, and a whole lotta pain.
Come on what is with these trolls word going around is bla blah then they never go on to name the source ::)
Yea, I won't go as far as to call anyone a troll, but no one's really said anything official on Shaq since Doc stated he'd be out Game 4, and it can only be assumed that kingstaystheking lives anywhere near Boston if he wants to claim he's serious. Either way, the team starts practice again Wednesday (which I guess is today as of this post), and we won't know how Shaq is until then.
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Either way, the team starts practice again Wednesday (which I guess is today as of this post), and we won't know how Shaq is until then.
They probably "won't even try" again. ::)
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I apologize for not naming the source of where I have heard about Shaq's potential achilles tear, but I really can not.It is not a media source, but a personal one. It has not been officially announced and it wont be until after the fact, most likely. The bottom line is that shaq was in a specific office, trying out a specific orthotic for his shoe that is meant to decrease stress on the achilles, and from what I heard, the testing was unsuccessful due to the extent of his achilles injury.
believe it or not, that is up to you. just passing along info. apologies for "trolling".
but rewatch the injury vid -specifically for the point where after shaq initially feels pain and looks around to see if someone stepped on his foot-and you will again see no cause of injury and an obvious rear foor/achilles injury due to his absolute lack of ability to put the foot in plantarflexion.....sports med 101 tells us achilles injury. source supports that notion.
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BTW- I would absolutely love to be wrong about this.
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I apologize for not naming the source of where I have heard about Shaq's potential achilles tear, but I really can not.It is not a media source, but a personal one. It has not been officially announced and it wont be until after the fact, most likely. The bottom line is that shaq was in a specific office, trying out a specific orthotic for his shoe that is meant to decrease stress on the achilles, and from what I heard, the testing was unsuccessful due to the extent of his achilles injury.
believe it or not, that is up to you. just passing along info. apologies for "trolling".
but rewatch the injury vid -specifically for the point where after shaq initially feels pain and looks around to see if someone stepped on his foot-and you will again see no cause of injury and an obvious rear foor/achilles injury due to his absolute lack of ability to put the foot in plantarflexion.....sports med 101 tells us achilles injury. source supports that notion.
If you are referring to his injury against the Pistons, I'd find it hard to believe that wasn't a calf injury. A tear of the Achilles, from my understanding, is a very long rehab process. Ruptures take up to a full year for professional athletes.
We saw nothing noticeable with KG's of Wafer's calf injuries either, so I wouldn't look too much into Shaq's reaction. If anything, he looked surprised at whatever happened (even looking back as if he stepped on something). If a guy is recovering from an injury and reinjures it after 5 minutes, I doubt he is that surprised.
I think if he has a tear, they wouldn't be trying him every few days and claiming he is close. If he originally had one in February, that seems slightly more possible. But I thought the original reason for shutting him down was the "foot"? I know people like to talk about Ainge and the medical staff, but I don't think they are blatantly lying.
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My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Shaq pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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I apologize for not naming the source of where I have heard about Shaq's potential achilles tear, but I really can not.It is not a media source, but a personal one. It has not been officially announced and it wont be until after the fact, most likely. The bottom line is that shaq was in a specific office, trying out a specific orthotic for his shoe that is meant to decrease stress on the achilles, and from what I heard, the testing was unsuccessful due to the extent of his achilles injury.
believe it or not, that is up to you. just passing along info. apologies for "trolling".
but rewatch the injury vid -specifically for the point where after shaq initially feels pain and looks around to see if someone stepped on his foot-and you will again see no cause of injury and an obvious rear foor/achilles injury due to his absolute lack of ability to put the foot in plantarflexion.....sports med 101 tells us achilles injury. source supports that notion.
If you are referring to his injury against the Pistons, I'd find it hard to believe that wasn't a calf injury. A tear of the Achilles, from my understanding, is a very long rehab process. Ruptures take up to a full year for professional athletes.
We saw nothing noticeable with KG's of Wafer's calf injuries either, so I wouldn't look too much into Shaq's reaction. If anything, he looked surprised at whatever happened (even looking back as if he stepped on something). If a guy is recovering from an injury and reinjures it after 5 minutes, I doubt he is that surprised.
I think if he has a tear, they wouldn't be trying him every few days and claiming he is close. If he originally had one in February, that seems slightly more possible. But I thought the original reason for shutting him down was the "foot"? I know people like to talk about Ainge and the medical staff, but I don't think they are blatantly lying.
Im on record saying it was an achilles tear the night that it happened. Just throwing it out there. One of my best friends is a professional athletic trainer and he said there was no way it was a calf by the looks of the injury
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I think there's a lot of confusion about what we've been told in the media. Here's my understanding:
1. Shaq has been out since February with an "achilles strain". This is basically the equivalent of a "tear". As wikipedia informs us, "a strain is an injury to a muscle or tendon in which the muscle fibres tear as a result of overstretching";
2. A "tear" does not necessarily mean a full tear or a rupture. However, by definition Shaq does in fact have an "achilles tear";
3. This injury is a notoriously slow at healing, due to blood supply issues and the fact that weight is constantly being applied to the area. Shaq's foot was immobilized in a boot to combat these issues;
4. In Detroit, Shaq attempted a comeback, at which time he suffered what was classified as a "calf strain". Initially, the team was optimistic about his outlook, predicting he'd be back in a matter of days and calling the injury "very minor";
5. The most recent public diagnosis is "a triceps surae injury which has created pain around his right calf and Achilles tendon that has been too painful for him to play through". The "triceps surae" is a combination of two muscles, the gastrocnemius and the soleus. The soleus muscle connects to the achilles tendon.
Personally, I'm a bit shocked that many people seem to think that the achilles injury and the calf injury are unrelated, especially when the calf injury is reported to be causing achilles pain. I think this is largely the same injury that's been bothering him for three months now.
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All good points regarding the intricacies of the injury:
I am an athletic trainer, have been one for 10 years. As we previously stated, the achilles is part of the calf, so saying that an achilles injury is different than a calf injury is accurate, but they can also be one in the same - which is why my guess is that the celts refer to it as a calf injury.
Like any tendon or ligament, partial tears of the achilles are common...full fledged tears are some of the most painful obvious injuries that we see (reports from those injured state that it feels like a shot gun blast to the achilles, and in fact tends to be characterized by the lower calf muscle actually rolling up into the leg - similarly to what happens when you snap a window shade to roll it up). Partial tears, which is what was stated as what occured, can be played on. It certainly limits what someone can do, specifically in basketball where lift and mobility are two of the more important factors for functionality.
going on what Roy stated (and props to him for the accurate write up), this could certainly be an extension of the original injury. or it could be a secondary injury caused by the weakness from the initial injury. the reason i threw it out there is so that we as a community can come to grips with the fact that most likely shaq will not be back, and if he does come back, he will be severely limited.
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All good points regarding the intricacies of the injury:
I am an athletic trainer, have been one for 10 years. As we previously stated, the achilles is part of the calf, so saying that an achilles injury is different than a calf injury is accurate, but they can also be one in the same - which is why my guess is that the celts refer to it as a calf injury.
Like any tendon or ligament, partial tears of the achilles are common...full fledged tears are some of the most painful obvious injuries that we see (reports from those injured state that it feels like a shot gun blast to the achilles, and in fact tends to be characterized by the lower calf muscle actually rolling up into the leg - similarly to what happens when you snap a window shade to roll it up). Partial tears, which is what was stated as what occured, can be played on. It certainly limits what someone can do, specifically in basketball where lift and mobility are two of the more important factors for functionality.
going on what Roy stated (and props to him for the accurate write up), this could certainly be an extension of the original injury. or it could be a secondary injury caused by the weakness from the initial injury. the reason i threw it out there is so that we as a community can come to grips with the fact that most likely shaq will not be back, and if he does come back, he will be severely limited.
Even though most around here (at least from what I've seen) believe Shaq may not be back anyways? Now you're sounding like our friend from the Eagle Tribune. Your source only has any legs cause of KG from '09, and right now, I think that's all he may be using, or maybe even you.
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ESPNForsberg Chris Forsberg
Doc on Shaq: "He's doing a lot better." Won't practice Wed. or Thurs., latest target: Friday.
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Here some info on this type of injury.
http://www.drdegroot.com/newPages/achillesTendon.htm
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Celtic Thug (or whatever his name was) is back!
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ESPNForsberg Chris Forsberg
Doc on Shaq: "He's doing a lot better." Won't practice Wed. or Thurs., latest target: Friday.
Thanks for the update. Is this precautionary, or is he still not ready?
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Still not ready it seems to me.
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Well, if that's the case, that really sucks balls and he probably won't practice on Friday and Saturday, too.
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This was mentioned in the thread about the "new" Shaq photos, but I thought it deserved its own thread. Blakely's twitter from about two hours ago:
#Celtics Doc Rivers said Shaq will not practice today or tomorrow.
So, does this mean that there really was no secret plan to keep Shaq out of the Knicks series and save him for Miami, because he really was not hurt? Or, does this mean that Shaq still cannot go and he will likely not play in the Miami series? Doc has said that Shaq will have to practice before he plays, so I doubt we see him at least in the first two Miami games. I love that this charade continues to play out in front of our eyes.
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It means that Shaq won't practice today or tomorrow. You and I don't know anything more than that.
But, if one wants to hold an optimist's view, it could mean that they are giving his legs as long as they can to rest and recover before he practices full out on Friday/Saturday.
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This was mentioned in the thread about the "new" Shaq photos, but I thought it deserved its own thread. Blakely's twitter from about two hours ago:
#Celtics Doc Rivers said Shaq will not practice today or tomorrow.
So, does this mean that there really was no secret plan to keep Shaq out of the Knicks series and save him for Miami, because he really was not hurt? Or, does this mean that Shaq still cannot go and he will likely not play in the Miami series? Doc has said that Shaq will have to practice before he plays, so I doubt we see him at least in the first two Miami games. I love that this charade continues to play out in front of our eyes.
I'd bet that if he's out for game one and we lose he will be there in game 2. But at this point, who knows.
However I'm remaining positive.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4683403/shaqwatch-cs-eye-friday-practice
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Nothings changed...that tweet by Sherrod (or some other Celtics writer) also mentioned that they hope to have him practice on Friday. If he does, I'm sure he can play Sunday. (that is if everything goes ok)
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I love Doc's non-commital, say-nothing quotes, but at this point, I am sure they are the only quotes that can be made about Shaq, because no one knows:
"Shaq is not going to practice today, and he will not practice [Thursday]," said Rivers. "We hope he’ll practice the next day, whatever day that would be. Is that Friday? OK, we hope he’s back on Friday. But we don’t know, we’ll see."
Rivers later admitted that O'Neal, limited to 5½ minutes of action since Feb. 1 due to right Achilles and calf injuries, is doing "a lot better," but wouldn't start speculating about his availability for Game 1 of the next round.
"It really depends, not just on Friday, but Friday and Saturday, so I don't know," said Rivers. "I don't know if I'm confident or not. I'm hopeful."
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Merged, we have Injury update/return thread for this exact reason.
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Nothings changed...that tweet by Sherrod (or some other Celtics writer) also mentioned that they hope to have him practice on Friday. If he does, I'm sure he can play Sunday. (that is if everything goes ok)
I'm pretty sure the "won't even try" again. ::)
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Nothings changed...that tweet by Sherrod (or some other Celtics writer) also mentioned that they hope to have him practice on Friday. If he does, I'm sure he can play Sunday. (that is if everything goes ok)
I would try to get him through a few practices before unleashing him. If he can't run today, I don't want him playing NBA-playoff basketball on Sunday.
If (and that's as big an if as Shaq himself) he can get through basic drills Friday, I'd aim for a return in Game 3 about a week later.
Bringing him back prematurely may be risking a re-aggravation of whatever is bothering him exactly.
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Nothings changed...that tweet by Sherrod (or some other Celtics writer) also mentioned that they hope to have him practice on Friday. If he does, I'm sure he can play Sunday. (that is if everything goes ok)
I would try to get him through a few practices before unleashing him. If he can't run today, I don't want him playing NBA-playoff basketball on Sunday.
If (and that's as big an if as Shaq himself) he can get through basic drills Friday, I'd aim for a return in Game 3 about a week later.
Bringing him back prematurely may be risking a re-aggravation of whatever is bothering him exactly.
I agree, I'd rather just leave him out until game 3 in Boston...just noting that Doc saying he won't practice today or Thursday doesn't necessarily mean he won't play at all in the Miami series.
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I still say there's no reason at all to play him vs the Heat. If we lost both games in Miami I'd consider it but we'll win both those games.
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I still say there's no reason at all to play him vs the Heat. If we lost both games in Miami I'd consider it but we'll win both those games.
Why do we have to cure our problems when we can just prevent them?
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Nothings changed...that tweet by Sherrod (or some other Celtics writer) also mentioned that they hope to have him practice on Friday. If he does, I'm sure he can play Sunday. (that is if everything goes ok)
I would try to get him through a few practices before unleashing him. If he can't run today, I don't want him playing NBA-playoff basketball on Sunday.
If (and that's as big an if as Shaq himself) he can get through basic drills Friday, I'd aim for a return in Game 3 about a week later.
Bringing him back prematurely may be risking a re-aggravation of whatever is bothering him exactly.
I agree, I'd rather just leave him out until game 3 in Boston...just noting that Doc saying he won't practice today or Thursday doesn't necessarily mean he won't play at all in the Miami series.
TP about the last part. I'm sick of people making these blanket statements. People made these absurd statements about Jermaine O'Neal, saying that he was out for so long there's no way he's making it back. They were wrong about that.
Similarly, Shaq being out Wed. and Thurs. simply means that: he's out Wed. and Thurs. Does it mean he'll be back Friday? Nope. But it also doesn't mean that if he is, he's out for the rest of the season.
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gwashburn14 gary washburn
Doc Rivers: Shaq will go through skeleton work today and practice tomorrow #celtics
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gwashburn14 gary washburn
Doc Rivers: Shaq will go through skeleton work today and practice tomorrow #celtics
There we go! Finally! I hope this means he will play in Game 1.
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gwashburn14 gary washburn
Doc Rivers: Shaq will go through skeleton work today and practice tomorrow #celtics
There we go! Finally! I hope this means he will play in Game 1.
Just skeleton workout...he is not going to jump or run. Friday is the real test...when he might get an actual practice.
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gwashburn14 gary washburn
Doc Rivers: Shaq will go through skeleton work today and practice tomorrow #celtics
There we go! Finally! I hope this means he will play in Game 1.
This means absolutely nothing. Until he actually makes it through an actual practice, there is no tangible evidence that he is closer to returning, and even then, he still has to respond well a couple days after the practice.
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gwashburn14 gary washburn
Doc Rivers: Shaq will go through skeleton work today and practice tomorrow #celtics
There we go! Finally! I hope this means he will play in Game 1.
This means absolutely nothing. Until he actually makes it through an actual practice, there is no tangible evidence that he is closer to returning, and even then, he still has to respond well a couple days after the practice.
Well, I wouldn't say it means nothing. If they intend to put him through a practice, this assumption by some that Shaq is truly done for the year and this is just merely a rouse by Ainge is likely false.
But you're right, it doesn't mean he's back yet. However, it does look like he's on the track to getting there.
LeBron better look out if he drives to the lane!
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http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2011/04/28/danny-ainge-on-big-show-shaq-cant-give-us-12-minutes-right-now/
Shaquille O’Neal will try to practice on Friday and the Celtics haven’t given up hope that he will be able to come back from his Achilles injury before the playoffs are over, but they also don’t want to put him in a position to play him before he’s ready.
“Right now he could not give us 12 minutes,” Celtics president Danny Ainge said on The Big Show Thursday afternoon. “We want Shaq healthy. If Shaq could give us 12 minutes in the first game without jeopardizing the following game he would probably be out there doing that but he’s not ready to do that yet.”
Ainge said the team was hopeful and that O’Neal was making progress, but they just don’t when he’ll be able to return.
“I wish I had an answer to that one,” Ainge said. “He looks better today. There’s progress. We’re still hopeful that he’ll be ready to play but it’s just taking longer to heal, or taking a while to heal and Shaq was determined to play Game 1 of the first playoff series and it’s just not been that way. He could probably go out and some thing but I’m not sure he could help much.”
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I imagine people are tired of hearing about all this "progress" Shaq is making, but if Shaq was able to get into skeleton workouts today after supposedly being ruled out of doing anything at all until POSSIBLY tomorrow, then for the time being at least that's evidence enough for me.
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Just him getting our there is encouraging. I'll take it.
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he can't give them 12 minutes and the series starts Sunday? I highly doubt we see Shaq again
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ESPNForsberg Chris Forsberg
Doc on Shaq: "No decision made or anything. I’m more confident now that he’ll play in this series. I don’t know when."
ESPNForsberg Chris Forsberg
Doc said confidence comes from trainer Ed Lacerte: "Eddie’s more confident that he’ll play. That makes me more confident."
So far, so good for today.....but the day's young.
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This thing is just ridiculous now, Doc said the real test would come today (Friday) now on Shaq practicing he says he doesn't know maybe he'll do a little bit Saturday ::)
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Just him getting our there is encouraging. I'll take it.
I bet you Dr. Leo Marvin could help get Shaq mentally ready to play...
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But guys we talkin bout practice.
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This thing is just ridiculous now, Doc said the real test would come today (Friday) now on Shaq practicing he says he doesn't know maybe he'll do a little bit Saturday ::)
Ouch! What's your source on Shaq's being out today?
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Alright, he is done. Close this thread, please. This is making me sick. At some point during the series? Yeah, sure, Doc said the same before the NY series.
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Alright, he is done. Close this thread, please. This is making me sick. At some point during the series? Yeah, sure, Doc said the same before the NY series.
Did he? Or we just assumed he said that? I don't remember him mentioning that he'll play in NY. I remember a lot of I don't knows. Still, we swept NY, who cares.
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This thing is just ridiculous now, Doc said the real test would come today (Friday) now on Shaq practicing he says he doesn't know maybe he'll do a little bit Saturday ::)
Ouch! What's your source on Shaq's being out today?
His negativity. There's nothing saying he didn't practice Friday.
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Alright, he is done. Close this thread, please. This is making me sick. At some point during the series? Yeah, sure, Doc said the same before the NY series.
Yeah that was before we went up 3-0 and we realized JO was gonna play 100x better than Krstic was (be honest who thought JO was gonna play at all after that disaster of a season).
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Alright, he is done. Close this thread, please. This is making me sick. At some point during the series? Yeah, sure, Doc said the same before the NY series.
If you don't like this thread, don't read it.
Its a useful one stop shop for the constant stream of updates, whether for Shaq or others on the team (knock on wood).
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Alright, he is done. Close this thread, please. This is making me sick. At some point during the series? Yeah, sure, Doc said the same before the NY series.
If you don't like this thread, don't read it.
Its a useful one stop shop for the constant stream of updates, whether for Shaq or others on the team (knock on wood).
Just look at the first post, I am the "creator" of this thread. ;)
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Alright, he is done. Close this thread, please. This is making me sick. At some point during the series? Yeah, sure, Doc said the same before the NY series.
If you don't like this thread, don't read it.
Its a useful one stop shop for the constant stream of updates, whether for Shaq or others on the team (knock on wood).
Just look at the first post, I am the "creator" of this thread. ;)
You were being sarcastic?
Eh so hard to tell, especially with so much doom and gloom as recent as Game 2 around here.
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I've just had it with the Shaq watch. People live in denial, but this is indeed KG 2009 V2.0.
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How can you say that when the playoffs have barely started? There's still 3 rounds left.
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Shaq travels to Miami, so that could be a positive sign going forward, though I don't think it's worth giving it too much value in the prospects of being ready to play.
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I've just had it with the Shaq watch. People live in denial, but this is indeed KG 2009 V2.0.
And JO midseason was version 1.5.
Short memories.
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Hypothetical question: If Danny Ainge said today "Shaq will definitely definitely play in this series, and it will be meaningful minutes" who would believe him? Whys hould we believe absolutely a single thing this team says about injuries?
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Shaq travels to Miami, so that could be a positive sign going forward, though I don't think it's worth giving it too much value in the prospects of being ready to play.
Shaq travelled to NY as well this doesn't mean squat
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Hypothetical question: If Danny Ainge said today "Shaq will definitely definitely play in this series, and it will be meaningful minutes" who would believe him? Whys hould we believe absolutely a single thing this team says about injuries?
Hypothetical question: If Danny Ainge said today "Shaq won't play in this series, let alone play meaningful minutes" who would believe him?
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Shaq travels to Miami, so that could be a positive sign going forward, though I don't think it's worth giving it too much value in the prospects of being ready to play.
Shaq travelled to NY as well this doesn't mean squat
Back then it meant that Shaq was improving and was closer to returning. And as we saw this week he seems to have made some progress, to the point that the trainers who hadn't seem optimistic before seems to have gained some confidence in Shaq returning.
So, would they have left Shaq in Boston if it meant that he hasn't progressed much?
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Hypothetical question: If Danny Ainge said today "Shaq will definitely definitely play in this series, and it will be meaningful minutes" who would believe him? Why should we believe absolutely a single thing this team says about injuries?
JO for starters...
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Hypothetical question: If Danny Ainge said today "Shaq will definitely definitely play in this series, and it will be meaningful minutes" who would believe him? Whys hould we believe absolutely a single thing this team says about injuries?
You don't have to believe him. You don't even have to follow this team. The choices are yours. I will make my choices. That's how it goes.
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Shaq travels to Miami, so that could be a positive sign going forward, though I don't think it's worth giving it too much value in the prospects of being ready to play.
Shaq travelled to NY as well this doesn't mean squat
Back then it meant that Shaq was improving and was closer to returning. And as we saw this week he seems to have made some progress, to the point that the trainers who hadn't seem optimistic before seems to have gained some confidence in Shaq returning.
So, would they have left Shaq in Boston if it meant that he hasn't progressed much?
I don't think so he probably would have still been with the team regardless of his status, if I recall correctly even during the NY series after they said he felt soreness and was shut down Shaq was still with the team and on the bench throughout the series.
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Shaq travels to Miami, so that could be a positive sign going forward, though I don't think it's worth giving it too much value in the prospects of being ready to play.
Shaq travelled to NY as well this doesn't mean squat
Just like Shaq would never miss an opportunity to hang out in NY, he also would never miss an opportunity to party in South Beach. So, basically, all this means is that his injury is not bad enough to keep him from limping on to a plane...so, I suppose that is good news.
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Hypothetical question: If Danny Ainge said today "Shaq will definitely definitely play in this series, and it will be meaningful minutes" who would believe him? Whys hould we believe absolutely a single thing this team says about injuries?
You don't have to believe him. You don't even have to follow this team. The choices are yours. I will make my choices. That's how it goes.
And the thing is, I would absolutely believe Danny if he said that. The thing is, he has never been that definitive about anything. He has always been vague, and left himself an out. So, until he says something truly definitive (that is not just taken out of context), I am going to continue to take the wait and see approach.
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Shaq travels to Miami, so that could be a positive sign going forward, though I don't think it's worth giving it too much value in the prospects of being ready to play.
Shaq travelled to NY as well this doesn't mean squat
Just like Shaq would never miss an opportunity to hang out in NY, he also would never miss an opportunity to party in South Beach. So, basically, all this means is that his injury is not bad enough to keep him from limping on to a plane...so, I suppose that is good news.
afterall Shaq's a fan of the game cant beat front row seats thats what I take from it :-\
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Let's keep in mind that there's also more than one way that Danny could be lying. Shaq might also be healthier than he's letting on and Danny may be trying to drop a surprise on the Heat.
Of course he could be lying the other way.
And of course he could be not lying at all. I feel a lot of the doubters about Shaq are the same people who said that it was impossible for KG ever to get better than he was last year or for JO to ever get back. Both of those statements are clearly false.
So let's not jump to any conclusions and just hope for the best. These "gut instincts" people keeping having are getting out of control.
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It could be that Danny knows little more than we do. In my experience Doctors are not God and do not give definitive answers. They hedge so Danny hedges. In other words, only God knows for sure and anything else is a guess anyway. I think Shaq would be a big boon to this team, but I think we win anyway...just have to work harder to get it. JO has been terrific, as has been the rest of the starters, and the bench started coming around during the last series.
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It could be that Danny knows little more than we do. In my experience Doctors are not God and do not give definitive answers. They hedge so Danny hedges. In other words, only God knows for sure and anything else is a guess anyway. I think Shaq would be a big boon to this team, but I think we win anyway...just have to work harder to get it. JO has been terrific, as has been the rest of the starters, and the bench started coming around during the last series.
Exactly TB. Doctors can give their opinion on how long Shaq's injury might take to heal, but everybody is different, and Shaq is more different than most (how many 39 year old, 350lb patients with 19 years of NBA wear do you think these doctors have treated?)
Even with the doctor's best guess the only thing that matters is how much pain Shaq is in. He's the only guy who can tell us that, not Danny, not the best doctor in the world.
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It could be that Danny knows little more than we do. In my experience Doctors are not God and do not give definitive answers. They hedge so Danny hedges. In other words, only God knows for sure and anything else is a guess anyway. I think Shaq would be a big boon to this team, but I think we win anyway...just have to work harder to get it. JO has been terrific, as has been the rest of the starters, and the bench started coming around during the last series.
Exactly TB. Doctors can give their opinion on how long Shaq's injury might take to heal, but everybody is different, and Shaq is more different than most (how many 39 year old, 350lb patients with 19 years of NBA wear do you think these doctors have treated?)
Even with the doctor's best guess the only thing that matters is how much pain Shaq is in. He's the only guy who can tell us that, not Danny, not the best doctor in the world.
Shaq can say he has no or little pain, and he has said that, but then again, he could not prove that in practice, so the doctors could tell by looking at him that he's not ready.
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Let's keep in mind that there's also more than one way that Danny could be lying. Shaq might also be healthier than he's letting on and Danny may be trying to drop a surprise on the Heat.
Of course he could be lying the other way.
And of course he could be not lying at all. I feel a lot of the doubters about Shaq are the same people who said that it was impossible for KG ever to get better than he was last year or for JO to ever get back. Both of those statements are clearly false.
So let's not jump to any conclusions and just hope for the best. These "gut instincts" people keeping having are getting out of control.
Yup, especially regarding JO. I'd say 90% of this board thought DA was lying, and that he'd never play again, or contribute anything. Obviously this has turned out to be not true, as he was huge in the series vs. the Knicks.
Even with the injury to KG back in Dec 2010 during the Detroit game, people thought it was 09' all over again (even though it was said to be a calf strain). So DA was right about that as well.
Lets not pretend that Danny purposely lies about every single injury to the Celtics. I'm sure if he knew that Shaq would be out indefinitely, he'd let us know. If not him, than Doc would.
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Pflanns Paul Flannery
Skeptical RT @johnschuhmann: Shaq just walked through the Celtics' locker room with his game shorts on. Skepticism ensues among media.
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gwashburn14 gary washburn
Shaq walked through Celtics locker room with t-shirt and game shorts on. Status unclear but its encouraging sign that he's close #celtics
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DDuggan21 Dan Duggan
Doc says Shaq is out today. Decision wasn't made until today, a sign he's close.
celtics Boston Celtics
Doc on Shaq: "Suit and tie status. He's getting very close. Maybe next game or Game 3. He's trying to get there but we'll just wait."
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DDuggan21 Dan Duggan
Doc says Shaq is out today. Decision wasn't made until today, a sign he's close.
celtics Boston Celtics
Doc on Shaq: "Suit and tie status. He's getting very close. Maybe next game or Game 3. He's trying to get there but we'll just wait."
That sucks. The report of him wearing shorts got my hopes up, if only slightly.
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SherrodbCSN A. Sherrod Blakely
#celtics d. Rivers was hopeful shaq could play in game 2, and added that he would play "for sure" by Game 3.
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ESPNForsberg Chris Forsberg
More Doc: "He’s getting close. Maybe next game, if not, I would say, for sure, Game 3." Said post-activity soreness holding him back.
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ESPNForsberg Chris Forsberg
More Doc: "He’s getting close. Maybe next game, if not, I would say, for sure, Game 3." Said post-activity soreness holding him back.
that's very encouraging. If we can get to Game 3 having won a game, and Shaq can play 10-15 minutes, we have a solid shot at the series.
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I'm gonna assume he'll play Game 2 if the C's lose. It goes against the idea that I thought the C's actually thought he was injured, as opposed to simply holding him back until absolutely necessary, but at this point, it sounds like it's starting to lean towards the latter.
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I'm not taking anything about Shaq's health to be "for sure" at this point. We've heard he's been close so many times before.
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No Shaq. Okay guys we have to continue to do what we know best. Just win.
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Hypothetical question: If Danny Ainge said today "Shaq will definitely definitely play in this series, and it will be meaningful minutes" who would believe him? Why should we believe absolutely a single thing this team says about injuries?
JO for starters...
I think that was more an example of JO making Danny into a truth teller than Danny telling the truth
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Hypothetical question: If Danny Ainge said today "Shaq will definitely definitely play in this series, and it will be meaningful minutes" who would believe him? Whys hould we believe absolutely a single thing this team says about injuries?
You don't have to believe him. You don't even have to follow this team. The choices are yours. I will make my choices. That's how it goes.
Ok. I choose to follow the team and not believe in fantasies. That's how it goes.
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well according to this practice video from Doc there's a good chance he goes....was asked if it's the best chance since his injury he says yes and he feels good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTZAafWSrxE&sns=em
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SherrodbCSN A. Sherrod Blakely
#Celtics Doc Rivers said everyone - including Shaq - expected to play in Game 3 vs #Heat on Saturday.
I'm sure most people will still say "Believe it when I see it", but there you go for the time being. Doc, if nothing else, is sticking to his word that Shaq would play in Game 3 "for sure".
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SherrodbCSN A. Sherrod Blakely
#Celtics Doc Rivers said everyone - including Shaq - expected to play in Game 3 vs #Heat on Saturday.
I'm sure most people will still say "Believe it when I see it", but there you go for the time being. Doc, if nothing else, is sticking to his word that Shaq would play in Game 3 "for sure".
Maybe a sign of good things to come... (knocks on wood).
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Good to hear, now I just hope we won't hear some crap like "his last practice didn't go well, he won't play". Believe it when I see it basically (I think it's fair from us to have this attitude).
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Shaq: 25 minutes
JO: 35 minutes
Baby: 0 minutes
PLEASE!
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0 minutes at center for BBD? Yes.
0 minutes period for BBD? Not sure if serious.
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If we win without question on Sat with Shaq, the Heat will panic and start to press. We will have the psychological edge imo.
I'm starting to feel more confident since Tuesday. :D
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Obviously it would be ideal for Baby to play all his minutes at C, but the way he's been playing I'd give his minutes to Scals if we still had him.
It's pretty obvious to me that JO is 100x better than Big Baby, and I'd take his rebounding and defense over Baby's jumpshots as much as possible.
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Shaq's In for Game 3. Im going to Game 4.
The last playoff game I went to Ray Allen hit a game winner (gm 1 of the knicks series).
I can feel it!!!!!
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C's awaiting MRI results on Rondo & Delonte West. Doc running on assumption both will play (says Shaq has typical soreness, too).
- Chris Forsberg (http://twitter.com/espnforsberg)
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delonte is just going to have to tolerate the pain
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Doc on Rondo's elbow: "It hurts, and obviously it was far more painful today in some ways; a lot of swelling. That was expected."
- Sherrod Blakely (http://twitter.com/sherrodbcsn)
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While I feel more confident about this series I'm worried about our injuries going forward
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Update on the #Celtics injury front. D-West's shoulder still sore, but apparently won't need tests. Rondo only one getting an MRI today.
- Sherrod Blakely (http://twitter.com/sherrodbcsn)
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Since we have a lot of injured players, I thought it would be nice to have all the injury updates in one thread. As soon as somebody finds out something new, he shall post it here. I'll start:
Shaq (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2011/03/shaq_says_he_re.html) (Globe, March 7):
Speaking at his birthday celebration at the Boston Children's Museum, Shaquille O'Neal said today that he could be back on the court within a week and his sore right foot and Achilles tendon is improving.
For what it's worth, it means he'll be back vs. Milwaukee on March 13 or @ New Jersey on March 14.
But then again (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2011/03/10/celtics_dont_have_much_time_to_adjust_to_changes/) (Globe, March 10):
Delonte West and Shaquille O’Neal could come back within a week, according to coach Doc Rivers. But they’re racing against the clock.
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Baby (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2011/03/10/celtics_dont_have_much_time_to_adjust_to_changes/) (Globe, March 10):
Glen Davis (strained left patellar tendon) could be the first player to return from injury (albeit not this weekend, in all likelihood)
Maybe March 14 @ New Jersey.
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Delonte (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2011/03/10/celtics_dont_have_much_time_to_adjust_to_changes/) (Globe, March 10):
Delonte West and Shaquille O’Neal could come back within a week, according to coach Doc Rivers. But they’re racing against the clock.
Seriously, what the heck? First they said two games at most, then 4 games (which would put him back vs. LAC), and today maybe one week?
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Wafer (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1322306&format=&page=2&listingType=celt#articleFull) (Herald, March 10):
Von Wafer said he is meeting with the Celtics [team stats] medical staff to learn more about the nature of his strained right calf, though the prognosis only seems to get worse for the guard.
“Von is going to be out for awhile,” said Rivers. “He’ll return, but two weeks, maybe three, maybe longer.”
I would say end of March, beginning of April. But why the heck did they say 2-3 games at most directly after the injury?
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Jermaine (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1322306&format=&page=2&listingType=celt#articleFull) (Herald, March 10):
Danny Ainge still believes that Jermaine O’Neal will return late in the regular season.
“I think he is going to play before the regular season is over,” the Celtics’ president of basketball operations said. “He’s going great, and he feels good. He’s upbeat. This is the most optimistic that I’ve seen him since he’s been here.”
Same as for Wafer. More like last week of the regular season.
That's really a good idea.
Hope you can finally finish it.
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When is Shaq coming back?
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When is Shaq coming back?
Never, he retired.
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When is Shaq coming back?
Never, he retired.
He may come back to help sell his new book, ya never know...
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To ease the sting of last night's loss, I am revving this thread. ;)
Ray talked about scheduling his surgery for the bone spurs as soon as possible.
Where's Avery at now?
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http://twitter.com/#!/Avery_Bradley
If this is ABs real twitter account, he posted this on June 6th.
... ya I'm good bro. Just had surgery on my shoulder ...
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Wilcox - (?)
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Wilcox - (?)
Story of his career.
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http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/01/26/the-celtics-lose-their-sixth-straight-game/sMW03I3b6dn7Fj2exyitAL/story.html
Sitting still
Rivers said forward Chris Wilcox is healthy enough to return, but Wilcox hasn’t played since Dec. 18, when he sprained a ligament in his right wrist. “It’s tough watching but at the same time you’ve got to be ready,” Wilcox said. “I think this time now I’m trying to do whatever I can to get in shape and be ready when he calls my name.” . . .
So, currently scratching my head on why Doc isn't playing Wilcox.
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Lee, Garnett out tonight with injuries...
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Perfect thread guys, keep it up!!
:)
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Could somebody remind me when Sully's due back. Also this fan expects to return to cheering from his broken heart in time for the draft. Its been a tough season.
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is this thread still relevant?
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Boston Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge said Thursday that point guard Rajon Rondo has been cleared for limited contact activities, but is still awaiting medical clearance to return to full-squad workouts. From ESPN - http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonceltics&id=4708049&wjb=
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is this thread still relevant?
Yes. Thank you for the Rondo info. :)