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Title: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: chambers on February 07, 2011, 03:14:10 AM
I think the last few games have brought back the old rondo as of late. Even in the loss to Dallas, i like the fact that took open line drives to the basket, looking to put up the floater or draw a foul on chandler or howard. He knew that howard didn't want to pick up a cheap foul and consistently took it to the middle knowing the magics weak front court bench situation.
Doc and the whole 'shoot 10 free throws every game' discussion has really helped him increase his confidence.
When he attacks the ring like he has been these past few games he is completely unstoppable because he forces the defenders to pick him or the teammate for the pass.

Fingers crossed that quise' is okay too, he was starting to play fantastic and the timing for this is just horrible for his career as a celtic.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Bahku on February 07, 2011, 03:51:19 AM
Absolutely ... Rage is at his best when he's attacking the basket and being aggressive, and the Celts are at their best when he's doing so. I really believe that Rondo has become the most important player on this team, (followed closely by KG, then Paul), because when he's not on the floor, the energy is completely different, and not nearly as assertive or fluid. Agree about 'Quis as well ... he was really starting to come into his own and be a real force for this team ... what an incredible blow this injury is. (TP)
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: ballin on February 07, 2011, 08:00:45 PM
Just you? A few of us have been BEGGING for him to be more aggressive over the last few weeks haha. His recent aggression has been a relief.

When he's aggressive he doesn't just score more points for himself, he creates more opportunities for the team. We all know Rondo is a willing and gifted enough passer to make the right play. So when Rondo hears "be aggressive" he's very unlikely to misinterpret that to mean "go out there and jack up a ton of shots"
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: barefacedmonk on February 07, 2011, 08:08:37 PM
It is awesome...
....and we'll need him to be just as (or more) aggressive when we play LA and Miami because of our depleted bench.

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Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 07, 2011, 08:19:01 PM
I also like Rondo's increasing willingness to shoot the jumper -- which eventually will pull defenders closer to him allowing him to fake and blow by them.  Still doesn't hit it at a great %, but he's got to shoot it in order to get more comfortable shooting during games.  I bet he's shot more 15-footers this year than his previous years combined.

As for Quis, we all wish him well and appreciate his play this year.  I have to admit, though, that I don't want to see him back ever if that type of incidental contact can cause paralysis (even if temporary this time). That is plain scary.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Megatron on February 07, 2011, 08:20:12 PM
Big 3 probably went up to him and told him they were tired and he needed to do more until after the all-star break.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: ManUp on February 09, 2011, 01:15:15 PM
I'm very happy with him going to the line more. I think Doc's hope is that Rondo will get more confident and consistent from the line. If Rondo gets comfortable at the line and get close to shooting atleast 70% from the line this team will be truly unstoppable. Then we won't have to worry about him shooting in the 20-30% range from the line and we stop driving the lanes like he did in the finals last year.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Chris on February 09, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
It would be nice if he would show that aggression by consistently fighting through picks, rather than lazily running over them, forcing other guys to help when it shouldn't be necessary. 
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Fafnir on February 09, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
It would be nice if he would show that aggression by consistently fighting through picks, rather than lazily running over them, forcing other guys to help when it shouldn't be necessary. 
I'm torn on this, because during a lot of games he gets killed on those picks. A lot of teams make it part of their strategy to set high and hard picks to try and wear him down. Especially given how infrequently illegal picks are called.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: GreenEnvy on February 09, 2011, 01:48:09 PM
I think he still needs to perfect when to attack and when to dish.

The only problem is, we have such efficient players around him while he is not (when he looks for his shot). He shoots a nice percentage overall, but that is like a center averaging 6 points a game on 63% shooting.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: BballTim on February 09, 2011, 01:48:55 PM
  How many players actually stay with their man by fighting through picks? I'm not  sure opposing point guards in the lane with Rondo behind them and no help is a good situation to be in.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: BballTim on February 09, 2011, 01:57:04 PM
He shoots a nice percentage overall, but that is like a center averaging 6 points a game on 63% shooting.

  That's something of an overstatement. How often would you expect that center to break 20 points?
 
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: angryguy77 on February 09, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
 How many players actually stay with their man by fighting through picks? I'm not  sure opposing point guards in the lane with Rondo behind them and no help is a good situation to be in.

Whoevers gaurding Ray :P
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: BballTim on February 09, 2011, 02:03:43 PM
 How many players actually stay with their man by fighting through picks? I'm not  sure opposing point guards in the lane with Rondo behind them and no help is a good situation to be in.

Whoevers gaurding Ray :P

  Yeah, because basically there's no difference between trying to catch up with Ray, who's running away from the basket without the ball, and a pg dribbling towards the basket with the ball...
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Chris on February 09, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
 How many players actually stay with their man by fighting through picks? I'm not  sure opposing point guards in the lane with Rondo behind them and no help is a good situation to be in.

First team All-Defenders need to be better at getting through picks.  That's the problem.  Rondo is a heck of a defender when he wants to be, unfortunately, he only plays good man to man defense on rare occasions, and instead prefers to "roam", which does not always help the team. 
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: BballTim on February 09, 2011, 02:24:19 PM
 How many players actually stay with their man by fighting through picks? I'm not  sure opposing point guards in the lane with Rondo behind them and no help is a good situation to be in.

First team All-Defenders need to be better at getting through picks.  That's the problem. 

  In other words you can't really expect any other pg in the league to do what you're criticizing Rondo for not doing.

Rondo is a heck of a defender when he wants to be, unfortunately, he only plays good man to man defense on rare occasions

  This isn't really the case. On one hand, opposing pgs don't shoot that well against Rondo, don't get a lot of assists and turn the ball over a lot. Not to mention that players generally need a pick to get past him off the dribble.

and instead prefers to "roam", which does not always help the team. 

  Funny, but when Rondo's man "roams" it (from what I hear) practically cripples our offense but when Rondo roams it hurts the team?
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: FatjohnReturns on February 09, 2011, 02:48:28 PM
Sure its helps the offense alot. The problem is the increased contact. The more banging Rondo takes the more chance of a injury. His drives usually result in a hard foul with him down on the floor.

I question Doc on the timing of this challenge to get to the line more.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: BballTim on February 13, 2011, 03:52:18 PM
 How many players actually stay with their man by fighting through picks? I'm not  sure opposing point guards in the lane with Rondo behind them and no help is a good situation to be in.

First team All-Defenders need to be better at getting through picks.  That's the problem.  Rondo is a heck of a defender when he wants to be, unfortunately, he only plays good man to man defense on rare occasions, and instead prefers to "roam", which does not always help the team. 

  I'd just like to point out that Rondo did as great job of fighting through picks today. Eddie House couldn't get any daylight at all with Rondo guarding him. This would be what's traditionally referred to as getting through picks. What you normally see is the opposing point guard going around a pick and heading directly into the lane. Even if Rondo did a better job of fighting through those picks there's no way that anyone's fast enough to get back in front of someone in the 2-3 steps it takes that player to get to the rim. Rondo's poke from behind is probably more effective than anything that any other pg would do in that position.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 13, 2011, 04:04:33 PM
Eddie can't hold a candle to him athletically.  Did you see how far off he was guarding him.  Yes, they were giving Rondo the shot but it's also a real indicator that  Rondo could blow by him.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Jon on February 13, 2011, 04:30:05 PM
It's good, and we need it, especially since the Lakers, Heat, and even to some extent the Magic (Nelson is slow and more or less a short shooting guard) have poor point guard play.  Rondo needs to exploit that. 
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Eeyore III on February 13, 2011, 05:15:20 PM
Right now, Nelson is proving how effective a PG who can drive to the rim can be against Fisher/Blake and the Fakers.  I hope Rondo is watching.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: Celtics Fan on February 13, 2011, 05:46:06 PM
Right now, Nelson is proving how effective a PG who can drive to the rim can be against Fisher/Blake and the Fakers.  I hope Rondo is watching.

Thats how we beat the Fakers in the 2008 championship. Rondo has to get back to pententrating.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: pearljammer10 on February 13, 2011, 06:22:06 PM
Yes, its totally awesome. He can play this way, yet, he slows things down so much and never does. So many times I find myself yelling at the tv, "Rondo! Blow by him!" or "Just go to the basket." To see him finally doing it is so relieving.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: jsingh1699 on February 13, 2011, 06:42:13 PM
its a lot easier for nelson to get to the rim when hes guarded by fisher/blake then it is for rondo when hes guarded by kobe. i found it interesting that when miami had their big lineup in (miller, wade, lbj), they didnt have lbj try guarding rondo
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: celtics2 on February 13, 2011, 06:48:36 PM
Rondo's an amazing character. Very gifted. When needed he gets it through the net in various ways. Otherwise he sets up the Big 3. They owe him big time and was glad to see some come to his aid against Miami with some mild aggression. Thanks to KG for setting that brutal pick sending a message to Miami that we can play the same game.
Title: Re: Is it just me or is Rondos increasing aggression awesome?
Post by: BballTim on February 13, 2011, 06:56:42 PM
Rondo's an amazing character. Very gifted. When needed he gets it through the net in various ways. Otherwise he sets up the Big 3. They owe him big time and was glad to see some come to his aid against Miami with some mild aggression. Thanks to KG for setting that brutal pick sending a message to Miami that we can play the same game.

  Also lots of fun listening to Van Gundy crying about the KG play because "that shouldn't even be a foul on Wade, he's just boxing out".