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Title: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: FLCeltsFan on December 17, 2010, 11:14:33 PM
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Indiana Pacers (12-13) at Boston Celtics (21-4)
Sunday, December 19
1:00 PM ET
Regular Season Game # 26, Home Game #13
TV:  CSNNE, NBA-LP 751
Radio:  WEEI,  WFNI
TD Garden

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Probable Starting Matchups
PointGuard
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Nate Robinson  vs  Darren Collison    

Shooting Guard
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Ray Allen   vs  Brandon Rush    

Small Forward
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Paul Pierce  vs  Danny Granger    

Power Forward
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Kevin Garnett  vs  Josh McRoberts  

Center
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Semih Erden  vs  Roy Hibbert  

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Boston Bench Mob  
Marquis Daniels
Glen Davis
Luke Harangody
Nate Robinson
Von Wafer
Avery Bradley

Injured

Kendrick Perkins (knee) out
Jermaine O'Neal (knee) day to day
Delonte West (wrist) out
Shaquille O'Neal (knee,calf) game time decision
Rajon Rondo (ankle, hamstring, feet)  out  
Semih Erden (groin) questionable

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Pacers Bench
Mike Dunleavy
Solomon Jones
James Posey
Dahntay Jones
TJ Ford
Jeff Foster
Tyler Hansbrough
Paul George
AJ Price
Lance Stephenson

Injuries
None

Team Connections
Avery Bradley and T.J. Ford both attended the University of Texas
James Posey played for the Celtics during the 2007‐08 season and was a member of the 2008 Championship team
A.J. Price and Rajon Rondo both attended the University of Kentucky
Brandon Rush and Paul Pierce both attended the University of Kansas
Shaquille O’Neal and James Posey were teammates in Miami from 2005‐07
Jermaine O’Neal played for the Pacers from 2000‐08
Pacers Assistant Coaches Walter McCarty (1997‐2005) and Vitaly Potapenko (1998‐2002) both played previously for the Celtics
Pacers coach Jim O’Brien coached the Celtics from 2001‐04
Pacers assistant coach Frank Vogel was an assistant coach under O’Brien with the Celtics from 2001‐04
Pacers President of Basketball Operations Larry Bird won three championships with the Celtics and had his #33 retired on 2/4/93
Marquis Daniels played for the Pacers from 2006‐09.

Key Matchups
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Paul Pierce vs Danny Granger
Danny Granger is a tough player who can hit from outside as well as take the ball to the basket. He always seems to play extra hard vs the Celtics since the time he lost a couple of teeth on the parquet. Pierce has been giving the team what they need on any given night and on this night they might need his defense most of all.  

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Kevin Garnett vs Josh McRoberts
This matchup could give the Celtics an advantage.  KG has been playing very well and McRoberts would need to bring his A+ game to be able to match up.  

Honorable Mention
Point Guards
Nate has been playing very well when filling in for Rondo and he is going to need to continue his strong play as well as giving the Celtics big minutes.  The Pacers bring TJ Ford off the bench and Avery Bradley may matchup well against him.  

Game Notes
Last season, the Celtics won the series between these two teams 2‐1.  Ray Allen led the Celtics with an average of 20.0 points per game.   Perk added an average of 13.3 points, 9.3 rebounds and 2.33 blocks in the three contests.   In his only appearance against the Pacers for the Celtics, Nate Robinson finished with 15 points, five assists and four steals in just under 20 minutes.   Danny Granger led the Pacers with an average of 22.5 points and shot 50.0% from three (7‐14).   Roy Hibbert added 13.3 points per game.

After losing 3 straight, the Pacers came up with a win over Cleveland on Friday night.  The Celtics are looking for their 13th straight win in spite of missing key players in every single game.  The Celtics are 11-1 at home and hopefully will continue their home dominance in this game as well.  The Pacers are 5-7 on the road.  

Keys to the Game
Defense - The Celtics have been winning with their defense and they must continue to make defense their priority.  

Rebound -  When the Celtics put out the effort needed to crash the boards, that effort transfers to the other areas of their game as well.  Winning the rebounding battle also prevents second chance points for the Pacers as well as limits fast break opportunities.  

Ubuntu - With all the injuries, the Celtics must band together and fill in for the players who are out.  They need to help with ball handling and assists with Rondo out as well as on the boards with the Shaq, JO and Perk not playing.  

X-Factor
Afternoon Game
Sometimes the Celtics come into an afternoon game ready to play and focused and other times they look like they are sleepwalking through the game.  Hopefully the team remains focused on the prize and comes in ready for this one.  
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: ballin on December 17, 2010, 11:43:17 PM
josh mcroberts is in trouble.

celtics are taking this one easy
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Who on December 18, 2010, 04:59:47 AM
This game could be problematic without Rondo or Shaq in the lineup.

They'll need a huge game from Garnett.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 18, 2010, 05:09:21 AM
This Pacers team can score in huge chunks ... key: do not underestimate. (TP, Fl)
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: christuffa on December 18, 2010, 08:10:18 AM
Hibbert is going to own Semih, so not looking forward to watching that. :-\
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Overrated on December 18, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
I'll be there. My friend is wearing a Pacers jersey and I'm going to fear for her life  :-X
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on December 19, 2010, 02:02:54 AM
I hope Shaq (my husband... esp. now that he dumped Hoopz), FINALLY gets to play! I miss him!

FYI Semih is THA MAN!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Spilling Green Dye on December 19, 2010, 03:11:11 AM
I typically think the Celtics will steamroll anyone, but I honestly think the C's will have trouble against this Pacers team.  Between Granger & Hibbert it can be a bit of a mismatch. 

However, if this were the playoffs and the Celtics were healthy, I think they'd win!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: j804 on December 19, 2010, 03:18:34 AM
prediction KG has a huge game, Shaq plays and puts Hibbert in early foul trouble

win by +10

 ;D
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: DavorCroatiaFan on December 19, 2010, 04:07:13 AM
I believe Shaq will play...KG with monter double-double...and a historic game for Ray (3 away from 2500 3pts) and The Captain (3 away from 1500 3pts)...
Hope to see min 12 minuts from Avery...Celtics win by 15...
I love this Sunday games...In Croatia will be 7 P.M. In working week games are in 1 or 2 A.M.  :D
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bankshot on December 19, 2010, 08:36:57 AM
I just hope we win.  I want a longer winning streak than Miami.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: ACF on December 19, 2010, 08:44:01 AM
TP. Go Celtics!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Fafnir on December 19, 2010, 08:48:03 AM
We could be in serious trouble if Semih can't play. Garnett/Davis can't play the entire game....
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: houlana on December 19, 2010, 08:53:57 AM
I have a bad feeling about this game. The pacers have some really good players, as u guys mentioned above, with our injuries, hibert could cause us trouble, and i also dont like the C's when playing afternoon games
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: nba is the worst on December 19, 2010, 09:55:05 AM
The early Sunday game... Maybe the Pacers don't like 1 PM either.

C's just more and more banged up. Still, the Pacers haven't beat a good team since November.

C's will win this!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: clover on December 19, 2010, 10:04:17 AM
I thought Semih was likely not playing because of the groin pull?
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Fafnir on December 19, 2010, 10:06:52 AM
I thought Semih was likely not playing because of the groin pull?
He's still listed as questionable.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: celticinorlando on December 19, 2010, 10:49:07 AM
shaq may play today...which would be a big big help. I expect this one to be a close one..injuries might just catch the Cs today
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: celticinorlando on December 19, 2010, 12:13:27 PM
Shaq is starting today per the Globe:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Drucci on December 19, 2010, 12:43:04 PM
Early Sunday game... uh oh?

Except we're at home and we've really played well so far, so let's hope the trend continues even on a Sunday in a typical trap game against a team we're suppoed to beat easily even tough they've improved. Plus, we get Shaq back.

TP FL and go Celtics!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Fafnir on December 19, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
Shaq starting is a huge help.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Who on December 19, 2010, 01:02:28 PM
Great news that Shaq is playing ... that will limit Roy Hibbert's impact.

That should be enough to push the C's in front and claim this win.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Donoghus on December 19, 2010, 01:20:56 PM
Sick alley-oop there.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Drucci on December 19, 2010, 01:21:57 PM
Shaq :o :o
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Donoghus on December 19, 2010, 01:22:14 PM
Indy's having some serious problems containing Shaq.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Megatron on December 19, 2010, 01:24:09 PM
Shaq>Perkins.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: nba is the worst on December 19, 2010, 01:26:35 PM
Lol @ Shaq with the extra fts!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Who on December 19, 2010, 01:32:59 PM
Indiana coming to life while Shaq rests.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Megatron on December 19, 2010, 01:38:13 PM
I missed the KG steal and dunk, how did it look?
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 01:43:37 PM
that is the second time bbd hogtied someone..!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
posey...is that our posey...?  MD...this is his old team...he should have a big night....right...?
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: nba is the worst on December 19, 2010, 01:45:20 PM
Shaq just makes the C's into a different team
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 01:49:44 PM
i can't believe people downded nate, he is the heart...Nate-the lion hearted..! better when he starts though..
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Who on December 19, 2010, 01:52:24 PM
I missed the KG steal and dunk, how did it look?
Uncontested breakaway dunk. Easy slam.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 01:54:55 PM
WALTER....!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: ACF on December 19, 2010, 01:56:59 PM
Tommy, really casual: "I love Waltah."

 :)
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Who on December 19, 2010, 01:58:20 PM
Danny Granger's shot is beautiful. So effortless and smooth.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Who on December 19, 2010, 02:01:32 PM
Darren Collison is getting some nice midrange jump shots off those pick and rolls against Shaq.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: makaveli on December 19, 2010, 02:02:45 PM
Would I like for PP to get a triple-double :D 8 pt 5 r 5 as
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 02:06:26 PM
Need TA to shut down granger..!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 02:07:35 PM
maybe try avery on granger....imagine if doc EVER player bradley...!  Bradley should get a nice chair or a cushion for  Xmas...!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Who on December 19, 2010, 02:08:46 PM
Solomon Jones is a horrific basketball player.

It's painful just seeing him out there on the court.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Drucci on December 19, 2010, 02:11:27 PM
Big Baby almost made that shot :o
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 02:17:47 PM
that guy was still moving when bbd ran into him on that charge....
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: snively on December 19, 2010, 02:19:43 PM
The C's lack of depth, post injuries, is really getting exposed in this one.  Hibbert destroyed both Baby and Erden.  Our bench is hopeless offensively, even with Shaq.  Shaq needs to be the 3rd or 4th option (with good passers) to be effective out there.  Their misses powered the Pacer fast break and got them 3 wide-open fastbreak 3s.

Pierce and KG are having great offensive games.  They look like they're 28.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 02:20:05 PM
yu know, although rashard lewis was a very lazy player, the magic i think will find they got screwed with agent 0.....he shoots a million shots.....petrius is a good swingman, can be a good D man....turgolu always lit us up for a lot of points....maybe we can have our turk shut him down...!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: nba is the worst on December 19, 2010, 02:26:15 PM
Decent 1st half - other than the turnovers.

11-11 on fts though!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 02:28:14 PM
other than shaq...bbd is the only guy who should be going hard for rebounds.....but bbd only goes for them now and then because he thinks he is too elite for that type of work.....no rebounds, no championship.  We need kevin love..! minn.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 02:35:38 PM
pacers are wayyy younger than us....they move a lot better..bbd is so worthless on rebounds......ugh....he can do a lot of nuthing....
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 02:37:00 PM
se kg goes in and up...where was bbd for the rebound....duh..he is so lazy...
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: snively on December 19, 2010, 02:37:50 PM
BBD vs. Hibbert is a mess.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: snively on December 19, 2010, 02:38:50 PM
Nate's energy is certainly nice.  Collison has a knack for turning the ball over.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 19, 2010, 02:39:49 PM
I think Paul's going to get a triple double this game. When was the last time he did that?

Nice game from him so far. And that Alley to Shaq in the first half was just SWEET!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Casperian on December 19, 2010, 02:40:17 PM
se kg goes in and up...where was bbd for the rebound....duh..he is so lazy...

Yeah, right, his problem is effort... ::)
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: snively on December 19, 2010, 02:47:17 PM
KG is laboring.  I might try Gody instead of Semih here.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 02:58:57 PM
se kg goes in and up...where was bbd for the rebound....duh..he is so lazy...

Yeah, right, his problem is effort... ::)

no, his problem is both effort and consistancy, do you see his name on the rebounding list for the league...? Do we need a rebounder.....he DID ask what his job was in the beginning of the season...but YOU don't think we need rebounds, do you... ???
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Casperian on December 19, 2010, 03:03:29 PM
se kg goes in and up...where was bbd for the rebound....duh..he is so lazy...

Yeah, right, his problem is effort... ::)

no, his problem is both effort and consistancy, do you see his name on the rebounding list for the league...? Do we need a rebounder.....he DID ask what his job was in the beginning of the season...but YOU don't think we need rebounds, do you... ???

I think Doc is smarter than you.

If I´m not mistaken, Baby had almost 20/10 in his last game. Maybe the lack of rebounding has something to do with the fact that he´s up against Roy Hibbert most of the time, who is over 7'2?
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: snively on December 19, 2010, 03:06:24 PM
We are such a gutty team.  Pierce point forward play has been very good.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Cman on December 19, 2010, 03:07:16 PM
We are such a gutty team.  Pierce point forward play has been very good.

Well, he did learn from one of the best
(A. Walker ;) )
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 19, 2010, 03:12:17 PM
1 mo' rebound for Pierce!!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:12:43 PM
se kg goes in and up...where was bbd for the rebound....duh..he is so lazy...

YOU think doc is smarter than me..what are you, 5 years old..?

Yeah, right, his problem is effort... ::)

no, his problem is both effort and consistancy, do you see his name on the rebounding list for the league...? Do we need a rebounder.....he DID ask what his job was in the beginning of the season...but YOU don't think we need rebounds, do you... ???

I think Doc is smarter than you.

If I´m not mistaken, Baby had almost 20/10 in his last game. Maybe the lack of rebounding has something to do with the fact that he´s up against Roy Hibbert most of the time, who is over 7'2?

YOU think doc is smarter than me..what are you, 5 years old..? Jim obriean is actually a better coach than doc. how did rodman get his rebounds all his life. maybe no one was 7 feet back then..? rodman was the same height as bbd...where is he, and what is he doing when the ball goes up for a shot.....all i ask is for him to roll in there looking for the rebound...hard for you to understand that concept isn't it casper wooden...? must be all your yeqars as a player that your telling me this stuff, huh. and didn't i say consistancy...the rebounds are there every game, and we have shown that we need them...he is barely 28....can't you expect him to run for the rebounds, or is he too tired to do it, 2-3x a week..?
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Cman on December 19, 2010, 03:13:13 PM
1 mo' rebound for Pierce!!

Triple double here we come!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:15:16 PM
pp def developing another aspect of his game, points and assists, like larry..! PP deserves more ref respect...the guys who cover him respect him, one way or the other..!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:15:52 PM
love nate, heart!! Ray did that in traffic, a jungle of trees to bank it.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
see, nate rebounding, not bbd......your guards should not lead your rebounds...it is also usually rondo...not bbd...how can that be.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: CrossCL on December 19, 2010, 03:17:23 PM
yea 4:30 was why we love nate
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:19:32 PM
thanks for the tp whoever sent it, i appreciate it...I did NOT want to go at it with casper there...but i also didn't call him out either....i was calling bbd out.....we NEED a rebounder on this team....like lasme, leon sheldon...doc doesn't like rebounders..don't forget how leon led us to a championship with his rebounding...i don't mean led..but you know...for those of you who know....
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: snively on December 19, 2010, 03:20:41 PM
Ray's so scary in the open court.  For both teams.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:20:43 PM
yea 4:30 was why we love nate

i don't exaclty know what u mean,,,but you need a tp...so you have 2...!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Cman on December 19, 2010, 03:21:12 PM
hang on for the W.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Tenacious D on December 19, 2010, 03:21:41 PM
Sweet swipe and layin by Ray. C's taking care of business,  pulling away.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:22:03 PM
and don't get me wrong, i love how bbd developed that shot...it is pretty consistant....that is a big plus...!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Casperian on December 19, 2010, 03:22:15 PM
se kg goes in and up...where was bbd for the rebound....duh..he is so lazy...

YOU think doc is smarter than me..what are you, 5 years old..?

Yeah, right, his problem is effort... ::)

no, his problem is both effort and consistancy, do you see his name on the rebounding list for the league...? Do we need a rebounder.....he DID ask what his job was in the beginning of the season...but YOU don't think we need rebounds, do you... ???

I think Doc is smarter than you.

If I´m not mistaken, Baby had almost 20/10 in his last game. Maybe the lack of rebounding has something to do with the fact that he´s up against Roy Hibbert most of the time, who is over 7'2?

YOU think doc is smarter than me..what are you, 5 years old..? Jim obriean is actually a better coach than doc. how did rodman get his rebounds all his life. maybe no one was 7 feet back then..? rodman was the same height as bbd...where is he, and what is he doing when the ball goes up for a shot.....all i ask is for him to roll in there looking for the rebound...hard for you to understand that concept isn't it casper wooden...? must be all your yeqars as a player that your telling me this stuff, huh. and didn't i say consistancy...the rebounds are there every game, and we have shown that we need them...he is barely 28....can't you expect him to run for the rebounds, or is he too tired to do it, 2-3x a week..?


I know I´m not the first one to post this, but does anyone else have a problem understanding this guy?

So BBD is not Rodman, is that your problem? Whoopdee, Rodman was the best rebounder in the league, maybe ever, and pretty much a one-trick pony.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Drucci on December 19, 2010, 03:23:05 PM
Here is the triple double for Pierce 8)
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 19, 2010, 03:23:42 PM
And there it is!! Triple Double for El Capitan!!!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Tenacious D on December 19, 2010, 03:23:57 PM
Looking at the Box, Hibbert and Granger chuck a lot but hit so little.  Collison, too.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: snively on December 19, 2010, 03:24:09 PM
thanks for the tp whoever sent it, i appreciate it...I did NOT want to go at it with casper there...but i also didn't call him out either....i was calling bbd out.....we NEED a rebounder on this team....like lasme, leon sheldon...doc doesn't like rebounders..don't forget how leon led us to a championship with his rebounding...i don't mean led..but you know...for those of you who know....

It's not that Doc doesn't value rebounding, it's that he places similar value on defense and floor spacing. 

Baby's ability to move his feet on defense and hit the 15 foot J keeps him on the floor.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:24:49 PM
if doc is sarter than me, than why didn't he see he should have stopped rondo from playing till hius hammy was fixed, then his foot..then his ankle......an ex player like doc should have known better......vs the knicks too, a meaning less game....
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Donoghus on December 19, 2010, 03:27:18 PM
Nice win.

Great game from the Captain.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: snively on December 19, 2010, 03:27:48 PM
Pierce found a time machine.  Wow was he good.  Made some incredible passes.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 19, 2010, 03:27:55 PM
if doc is sarter than me, than why didn't he see he should have stopped rondo from playing till hius hammy was fixed, then his foot..then his ankle......an ex player like doc should have known better......vs the knicks too, a meaning less game....

Well, I think a lot of that is Rondo, too, Meadowlark. He is stubborn one, like Kobe.

And like Kobe, he has probably resisted Doc's wishes to sit out. Kobe's done the same thing in the past to Phil.

That is what makes Rondo a Great player. And Doc a Great coach.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:28:02 PM
ell i know bbds good stuff...but we still need a blue colar rebounder, and he is the most likely guy...he has shown he could do it...but he doesn't have the nose for it, or the desire....leon did, lasme, sheldon, all i ask is for him to be under the hoop...where is he when the ball is up.....you CAN be under the hoop, then get back you know. the ball is there, the court is not a football field. bbd is young.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Drucci on December 19, 2010, 03:29:10 PM
13 in a row and JO probably coming back on Wednesday against Philly, good news!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Cman on December 19, 2010, 03:30:00 PM
Nice job Cap'n!
Nice W.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 19, 2010, 03:30:02 PM
Well, this one's in the books. Triple Double for our Captain, and #13 for The Green. Pacers are a good team, and long, with Hibbs in the middle.

Let the good times keep rollin'!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
a coach can't sit a player out....i heard that, but don't know who is the boss there...no way to know from here, right.? i would think the coach runs that.....but i don't know.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Casperian on December 19, 2010, 03:31:56 PM
18/7 for "no effort, no consistency Baby", almost 16/7 over the last 10 games.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:32:23 PM
ya, jo back, that will help......i hope,,,,,he is a "could do it" type...he could do a lot....i want to like jo.....i just want him to bring it soon...!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: jarufu on December 19, 2010, 03:32:50 PM
I enjoyed that!  

Triple-double from PP. ;D

Davis really worked on that shot over the summer, didn't he?!  Money!

Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 19, 2010, 03:33:47 PM
a coach can't sit a player out....i heard that, but don't know who is the boss there...no way to know from here, right.? i would think the coach runs that.....but i don't know.

That's true, Meadow. My comments were only speculation.

I made the comment based on Rondo's history of being stubborn. Doc is known to sit players out, give them rest. That's why I was thinking (guessing) that Rondo may have rebuffed his wishes, or even told Doc something like: "I'm fine, Doc - it's Hamstring, ankle, etc) only a little sore. I can play."

I'm just glad we got the W.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Tai on December 19, 2010, 03:34:11 PM
ell i know bbds good stuff...but we still need a blue colar rebounder, and he is the most likely guy...he has shown he could do it...but he doesn't have the nose for it, or the desire....leon did, lasme, sheldon, all i ask is for him to be under the hoop...where is he when the ball is up.....you CAN be under the hoop, then get back you know. the ball is there, the court is not a football field. bbd is young.

Powe was a great player. It sucks he got injured.

But please. Stop comparing Sheldon to BBD. I am getting somewhat ill seeing you do it.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: celticinorlando on December 19, 2010, 03:35:08 PM
very good win for boston. never really felt through the game they would lose. BBD was big but i am impressed with the progress hibbert has made
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:35:16 PM
18/7 for "no effort, no consistency Baby", almost 16/7 over the last 10 games.
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lets just leave this as your opinion and mine...we don't agree...we don't have to. i like a lot of what bbd does, his shot, his charges...sort of....but i think he could be a better rebounder for the team.

  if you like him as he is, and think he does enough, that is okay with me. I can live with it. We are all in this together. ;)
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 03:37:07 PM
ell i know bbds good stuff...but we still need a blue colar rebounder, and he is the most likely guy...he has shown he could do it...but he doesn't have the nose for it, or the desire....leon did, lasme, sheldon, all i ask is for him to be under the hoop...where is he when the ball is up.....you CAN be under the hoop, then get back you know. the ball is there, the court is not a football field. bbd is young.

Powe was a great player. It sucks he got injured.

But please. Stop comparing Sheldon to BBD. I am getting somewhat ill seeing you do it.

you only see what you want to see..i said sheldon, lasme, and leon always went to the hole, when the ball was up...to get position, and try to get a rebound....
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: ACF on December 19, 2010, 03:44:05 PM
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Woohoo!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: celticinorlando on December 19, 2010, 03:49:15 PM
and honestly...it looks like boston is going to lock up the 1 or 2 seed in the east rather easily this season. miami is their only competition and they already have a 2-0 love on them head to head.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Tai on December 19, 2010, 03:52:39 PM
ell i know bbds good stuff...but we still need a blue colar rebounder, and he is the most likely guy...he has shown he could do it...but he doesn't have the nose for it, or the desire....leon did, lasme, sheldon, all i ask is for him to be under the hoop...where is he when the ball is up.....you CAN be under the hoop, then get back you know. the ball is there, the court is not a football field. bbd is young.

Powe was a great player. It sucks he got injured.

But please. Stop comparing Sheldon to BBD. I am getting somewhat ill seeing you do it.

you only see what you want to see..i said sheldon, lasme, and leon always went to the hole, when the ball was up...to get position, and try to get a rebound....

I guess I also "just wanted to see" Sheldon drop passes right to him at times, right?

BBD is far from perfect, but he's better on both sides of the ball than Shelden, especially in this system. He even has a better field goal percentage despite taking twice the shots Shelden has.

I'd gladly have Lasme in in place of Wafer, though. I think Wafer is lucky Delonte has been out often for the C's.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: barefacedmonk on December 19, 2010, 04:00:54 PM
ell i know bbds good stuff...but we still need a blue colar rebounder, and he is the most likely guy...he has shown he could do it...but he doesn't have the nose for it, or the desire....leon did, lasme, sheldon, all i ask is for him to be under the hoop...where is he when the ball is up.....you CAN be under the hoop, then get back you know. the ball is there, the court is not a football field. bbd is young.

You need to get over your Shelden fetish...he is gone...and please don't compare BBD and Shelden...Shelden can't and couldn't do anything for our team...he is no where close to what BBD does for us.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: nba is the worst on December 19, 2010, 04:03:14 PM
other than shaq...bbd is the only guy who should be going hard for rebounds.....but bbd only goes for them now and then because he thinks he is too elite for that type of work.....no rebounds, no championship.  We need kevin love..! minn.
Maybe you can instigate a trade of Davis for Love straight up!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Adelaide Celt on December 19, 2010, 04:19:19 PM
Another pleasing victory, well done guys. :)

This is a group of guys that have some serious backbone. Not many teams could put together the wins they have while enduring so many injuries.

Keep it going Celts!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 04:30:21 PM
ell i know bbds good stuff...but we still need a blue colar rebounder, and he is the most likely guy...he has shown he could do it...but he doesn't have the nose for it, or the desire....leon did, lasme, sheldon, all i ask is for him to be under the hoop...where is he when the ball is up.....you CAN be under the hoop, then get back you know. the ball is there, the court is not a football field. bbd is young.

You need to get over your Shelden fetish...he is gone...and please don't compare BBD and Shelden...Shelden can't and couldn't do anything for our team...he is no where close to what BBD does for us.

Well, both you and tai can't explain how sheldon is starting and doing well for Denver. George Karl is a good coach, a lot of experience. i didn't and don't compare players, but people here DO make quotes say what they want them to say....why, I just don't know.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 19, 2010, 04:31:36 PM
And another solid game from Nate.

Slightly off-topic, so I apolgize in advance - but in a potential matchup with LA in June, I think Rondo/Nate will be fine.

I was looking at the Tommy Point post on the blog main page with Nate's hustle play, and found this gem of a game from Nate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EksBeXdGeps

He absolutely abuses Portland's backcourt in this one - Jarrett Jack, Steve Blake and Co.

I know Kobe will be a handful, but DFish and Steve Blake will have their hands full.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Meadowlark_Scal on December 19, 2010, 04:32:02 PM
ell i know bbds good stuff...but we still need a blue colar rebounder, and he is the most likely guy...he has shown he could do it...but he doesn't have the nose for it, or the desire....leon did, lasme, sheldon, all i ask is for him to be under the hoop...where is he when the ball is up.....you CAN be under the hoop, then get back you know. the ball is there, the court is not a football field. bbd is young.

Powe was a great player. It sucks he got injured.

But please. Stop comparing Sheldon to BBD. I am getting somewhat ill seeing you do it.

you only see what you want to see..i said sheldon, lasme, and leon always went to the hole, when the ball was up...to get position, and try to get a rebound....

I guess I also "just wanted to see" Sheldon drop passes right to him at times, right?

BBD is far from perfect, but he's better on both sides of the ball than Shelden, especially in this system. He even has a better field goal percentage despite taking twice the shots Shelden has.

I'd gladly have Lasme in in place of Wafer, though. I think Wafer is lucky Delonte has been out often for the C's.

Sheldon starts for denver, you think he is a scrub.....what does George Karl see that you don't..?
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: hardlyyardley on December 19, 2010, 04:34:37 PM
I guess I posted my thoughts in another part of this site....but it was about Bradley....

it seems he has done nothing right since Rondo went down....complete lack of confidence even clanking free throws
 
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: clover on December 19, 2010, 04:43:27 PM
I guess I posted my thoughts in another part of this site....but it was about Bradley....

it seems he has done nothing right since Rondo went down....complete lack of confidence even clanking free throws
 

So when JO returns who gets relegated to street clothes--Luke or Bradley?  I think either of them could benefit from some time in Portland, too.  I'm afraid Bradley is psyched out right now and more of these short stints in the big league aren't helping him.  On the other hand, Luke's unlikely to ever really be in the rotation this year either.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: celticinorlando on December 19, 2010, 04:45:09 PM
you guys are really arguing about sheldon williams?
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 19, 2010, 04:46:25 PM
I thought Shelden was starting in Denver only because of KMart's injury?
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: barefacedmonk on December 19, 2010, 05:09:19 PM
Sheldon starts for denver, you think he is a scrub.....what does George Karl see that you don't..?

You start a Sheldon debate at end of every game thread...and I don't know why. You talk about our rebounding being horrible when you know Doc likes our guys to get back on defense.

As for Sheldon starting for the Nuggets...like GreenFaith pointed out..he starts because KMart is injured...if you remember, he also started for us when BBD was injured...and then he went back to the bench...where he belongs..look at their stats this year...I can't see how he is better than BBD.

Shelden Williams:

PPG 5.2, RPG 6.10, APG 0.4, FG% 46.3, FT% 75.9, EFF + 9.27

BBD

PPG 11.9, RPG 5.70, APG 1.2, FG% 49.6, FT% 77, EFF + 13.48

Guava said it well in the other Sheldon thread, you were the OP ofcourse, so I'm quoting him again:

Quote
His coach felt his numbers were an illusion. He got some numbers, but Doc didn't felt he was actually helping the team.

Denver is all about numbers. Look at Melo. Dude gets play of the week for scoring once on 3 possessions at the end of a game.

You also completely miss the boat on "it is a terrible sight to see the celts put up a shot, then everyone turn to go play D..no rebounds, no championship." Uh, hello? We have a championship doing that. We were one quarter away from a championship doing that. In other words, you are wrong. Our getting back on defense works.

You are speculating against a proven record of success.

I don't think you will ever move on...and that's fine...you like the guy..but sometimes it feels like you love that guy more than Candace Parker...and reading "Sheldon was this..and Sheldon was that" kind of posts at the end of almost every game thread gets a bit annoying.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: JHTruth on December 19, 2010, 07:01:01 PM
This game shows where JON can really help us. Semih and BBD are both crappy rebounders and we could really use another rebounder when Shaq goes to the bench. I'm really looking forward to seeing JON on Wednesday..
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: celticinorlando on December 19, 2010, 07:31:57 PM
Sheldon? We talkin 'bout Sheldon? What we talkin bout? Sheldon?
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:17:59 AM
Wow ... what a bunch of horrendous calls in this game!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:23:20 AM
Sheldon? We talkin 'bout Sheldon? What we talkin bout? Sheldon?

I think we've got a frustrated Denver fan on board, (or Chicago fan?) ... they're both great cities to live in, I hear. ;) (Joke)
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:28:31 AM
It's just amazing that a player like Hansbrough can be one of the greatest college players of all time, and come to the NBA and get lost in the shuffle. Shows you what a different game it is, and that it takes a whole different set of skills to survive at this level. Hopefully he'll get a bit more momentum going, but at this point, he reminds me of Eric Montross, (and both were some of my favorites in college).
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:29:47 AM
Man, both Ray and KG are so rejuvenated this year ... love it!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:35:26 AM
Shaq is having Dunleavy for dessert, lol.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:36:20 AM
Man, Marquis has a very sweet turnaround jumper ... and Pierce doing what he does best!!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:44:14 AM
Palming on Nate?!? Give me a break! Is that Foster making these stupid calls??
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:47:22 AM
Pacers have 22 more attempts than the C's with 4:30 left ... sweet play by Nate!! Man, Hibbert just sets up camp in the paint, and could be called for 3 seconds on every trip!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:48:36 AM
Wow ... the officiating is just plain crap ... there's no other word for it.
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:52:33 AM
Pierce with his 7th career triple-double ... sweet!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 03:55:33 AM
Big Baby is nailing that outside jumper with great consistency ... love it!!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Bahku on December 20, 2010, 04:14:07 AM
Well, certainly not the cleanest of games this year, and the officiating left a lot to be desired, but another solid win for the C's, with great contributions from 'Quis, Ray, Nate, Big Baby, and The Truth leading the way with a stellar triple-double. We'll take it!
Title: Re: Pacers (12-13) at Celtics (21-4) 12/19
Post by: Andrew on December 21, 2010, 06:38:42 PM
Shaq looked good in the first minutes, don't know what happened the rest of the game  :-[