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Beyond the Association => Global Basketball => Topic started by: greenwise on September 03, 2009, 07:03:04 AM
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http://www.eurobasket2009.org/en/default.asp
Eurobasket starts next monday in Poland and I thought it would be fun to watch and follow for everybody.
Needless to say, you can watch some notable NBA players in the tournament like:
Tony Parker, Boris Diaw, Mickael Pietrus, Pau and Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernandez, Marcin Gortat, Mehmet Okur, Turkoglu, Kirilenko...
as well as many other stars!!
Who will win?
I hope it will be Spain ;D
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I will follow the French National Team but I don't have much hope for their success since they are really inconsistent... they just qualified for the Euro, and their performances in the qualification Finals were quite illustrative of their recurrent flaw : they got beat by the Belgium team by 4 points in the first game and then they blew them out and won the second game (in France) by more than 30 points...
Anyway the competition will be pretty "open" since many teams are lacking their star player(s) (see Germany without Nowitzki, Russia probably without Kirilenko...).
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I can`t see how Spain won`t win the tournament.
I haven`t seen all the teams (including Spain) so maybe i`m wrong but i think we have a very clear favourite
The Greek team is in a rebuild mode. Diamantidis - Papaloukas - Tsartsari - Vasilopoulos are all off. They have some injuries and some need rest. Hopefully will be back next summer.
There are two serious problems
1)Without Papaloukas and Diamantidis we have a problem at the point. Spanoulis is not a real pg and Kalathis struggles to fit in the european bball. He is good but needs time. But so far the team averages 15 turnovers....
2)Another issue is with the SF position. There is only one real SF Perperoglou and Kazlauskas has no chance but to use PFs like Printezis.
On the positive side we have a strong frontline with Bourousis, Sofo, Printezis , Gliniadakis, Koufos ,Fotsis, Kaimakoglou.
My prediction is somewhere between 3 and 5
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I didn't know about Kirilenko...but they still have a solid team, same as Lithuania, Greece, France and even the hosts Poland with Gortat and some nice players.
But to me, and on paper...Spain has the strongest and more battle tested squad. The core group has been together for years and have been successful internationally. ;)
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Spain will miss Calderón and Carlos Jiménez but still they are the clear favourites. To me seems that Greece will be competitive even without Papaloukas and Diamantidis. Lithuania can be also a solid team but they are missing some good players on the wings.
France and Slovenia can be also fun to watch.
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I watched Lithuania in the Acropolis tournament and they were better than i expected. They play they usual style, very entertaining to watch but also serious when needed...
Unlike Slovenia and France. Both have good (or very good rosters) but rarely (if ever) manage to produce as expected due to immature play. Remember the game game France - Greece 4 years ago in Belgrade?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs
The French, obviously.
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I have been watching the FIBA Americas Tournament. Right now it's the quarter-finals group play and Brazil (my team who has Barbosa and Varejao) and Puerto Rico (with Carlos Arroyo) has qualified for the World Basketball Tournament in Turkey. Both teams are undefeated.
Meanwhile, Argentina (with Scola as the only star) started really slow, losing to Venezuela (yikes!) and Brazil (which I enjoyed very much). They have picked up and now are in 3rd place in the ranking. Dominican Republic, who has Charlie V., Francisco Garcia, and Al Horford are in 4th place. They came into the tourney thinking they'd be the champions because they have 3 NBA players, but quick losses brought them back to earth. Uruguay, with Estaban Batista (remember him?) is in 5th place, right behind DR.
The 4 best teams qualify for the World (PR and Brazil qualified, so two more spots). They also get to play on a semifinal and then final to determine the champions. The most likely foursome to be Brazil, PR, DR and Argentina. Hopefully Brazil will have another chance to beat Argentina again. Last time that happened, during group play, Argentina got all angry and threw chairs in the locker room.
PS. I am Brazilian.
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I watched Lithuania in the Acropolis tournament and they were better than i expected. They play they usual style, very entertaining to watch but also serious when needed...
Unlike Slovenia and France. Both have good (or very good rosters) but rarely (if ever) manage to produce as expected due to immature play. Remember the game game France - Greece 4 years ago in Belgrade?
I agree with you with Slovenia and France underachieving very often, the same for Croatia, I would say. But I have the feeling that France can get a medal this time.
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Im a Kings fan, so I have been keeping tabs on how Garcia is doing for the DR, and I could be wrong but I thought I read that Horford and CharlieV arent playing, which has something to do with how the DR are playing. Still, Im rooting for them or Greece.
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Im a Kings fan, so I have been keeping tabs on how Garcia is doing for the DR, and I could be wrong but I thought I read that Horford and CharlieV arent playing, which has something to do with how the DR are playing. Still, Im rooting for them or Greece.
All three of them are playing, and Garcia was the highest scorer of the tourney for a little while. I am hoping to see them in the tournament. It's either Dominican Republic or Uruguay, with Esteban Batista. I think a DR team is more interesting.
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I`ve got to ask ..... Isn`t this a little off topic?
??? ??? :D ;D
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I'll root for my country (Bulgaria), but if we talk serious and realistic, we don't have a chance to get out of the groups. We're in group with Lithuania, Turkey and the host Poland. Maybe we have some chances against Poland, but I see Gortat with 20/20 that night, our team don't have good centers now. Every team with decent center blow us out. We played a few good friendly games last mont, 2 wins over Belgium, 2 wins over Portugal, 1 win over Cyprus, 1/1 against Russia (without Kirilenko of course), so I have my hopes for at least one win there, maybe over Poland, but we'll see
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I know it was just a friendly game but ...
Lithuania-Spain 94-72 !!!
Spain`s first friendly defeat in 4 years !
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I know it was just a friendly game but ...
Lithuania-Spain 94-72 !!!
Spain`s first friendly defeat in 4 years !
They had to lose one right before the tournament to remember how NOT to play in Poland ;)
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I guess that all this hype around them (understandable) and their success the last 4 years made them a little arrogant. I pretty sure that the defeat will do them good.
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spain`s national teams seem be a little off the last 2 days.
in volleyball spain (european champion) lost 3-0 to the very average (if not bad) Greece :D :D :D :D
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i love watching the eurobasket tourney. anyone know if nbatv will play them live, or on tape delay?
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I guess that all this hype around them (understandable) and their success the last 4 years made them a little arrogant. I pretty sure that the defeat will do them good.
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spain`s national teams seem be a little off the last 2 days.
in volleyball spain (european champion) lost 3-0 to the very average (if not bad) Greece :D :D :D :D
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I detect a slight and subtle envy for Spain's success, Ederson ::) :P ;D Just kidding! I guess you're right, they were sleepwalking through the game and Lithuania played awesome
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To be honest after the last eurobasket i had some "hostile" sentiments against them but i`m over it now :D :D :D
The truth is that they are the best team in Europe the last 4 years
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To be honest after the last eurobasket i had some "hostile" sentiments against them but i`m over it now :D :D :D
The truth is that they are the best team in Europe the last 4 years
:) anything is possible! Plus, games are won on the court and there are a lot of strong teams in Europe. I hope the loss against Lithuania reminds them quickly that anybdy can beat you, starting monday against Serbia...
Greece has a great team too, they are always a very tough matchup ;)
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I hope the loss against Lithuania reminds them quickly that anybdy can beat you, starting monday against Serbia...
serbia is not that good
They have Ivkovic as coach and it seems that after a long time they are on the right track. Bball misses good teams from Serbia and Croatia
Greece has a great team too, they are always a very tough matchup ;)
We`ll fight hard :D
Kazlauskas tries to make the team play better offence but he could use a real pg. Diamantidis is a huge lose. I`m anxious to see Calathes against big boys
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Very interesting first day
Spain was awful! Like the nbaers without their powers in Space Jam. I`m not trying to take it away from the Serbs they played very good but Spain was sooooo bad! It seems that their last defeat didn`t just happen.
Lithuania VS Turkey was a great game. Turkoglu was amazing and if he keeps it up then Turkey can hope for great things. Lithuania remains my fav team (after Greece of cource) but the could use a better pg.
Greece vs FYROm
32 points game... Nothing to say. Skopje is a very weak team, one of the weakest i`ve seen in such tournament. Today against croatia (they were lucky to beat Israel) will be a real test. I think we are better than Croatia. But so did Spain against Serbia :D
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Bad,baaad game for Spain!! >:( Hopefully they will regain form and play better today. Otherwise they'll be home soon. Very disappointing!
Glad to see Poland won (I'm living there :)
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Very interesting first day
Spain was awful! Like the nbaers without their powers in Space Jam. I`m not trying to take it away from the Serbs they played very good but Spain was sooooo bad! It seems that their last defeat didn`t just happen.
Lithuania VS Turkey was a great game. Turkoglu was amazing and if he keeps it up then Turkey can hope for great things. Lithuania remains my fav team (after Greece of cource) but the could use a better pg.
Greece vs FYROm
32 points game... Nothing to say. Skopje is a very weak team, one of the weakest i`ve seen in such tournament. Today against croatia (they were lucky to beat Israel) will be a real test. I think we are better than Croatia. But so did Spain against Serbia :D
Congrats for Greece's win ;)
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Give it up to Brazil though! Brazil won the America's division against Puerto Rico by one point on the championship game. Argentina came in last place beating Canada in the semifinal. Charlie Villanueva was complaining before the tourney began saying that Dominican Republic is the heavy favorite because they have the most numbers of NBA players and well, they came in 5th place (losing to a NBA-less Canada) and didnt qualify for the tourney just yet.
So Brazil, Puerto Rico, Argentina and Canada have qualified for the World Championship Tournament. Interesting thing, the Canadian coach said he'd get Jamal Magloire, Samuel Dalembert and perhaps even Steve Nash for the World Championship.
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Interesting first day at the Euro, I agree.
France won against Germany but I thought the French wouldn't win, they played poorly against a depleted German team... Fortunately, Tony Parker saved our butts in crunch time but I hope today's game will be a easier win.
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Is it being televised?
I miss first day :(
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Yes. From the 1st day here in greece 7 games were live on tv. I guess you`ll find a free sat. channel if it`s not televised at your country.
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Yes. From the 1st day here in greece 7 games were live on tv. I guess you`ll find a free sat. channel if it`s not televised at your country.
I will check
i run direct tv any info on any channel there that broadcast it?
If not thanks for your answer enderson
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You can find links on Internet if you don't find a TV channel broadcasting the Euro!
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Sorry Edgar can`t help.
Greece Croatia 24-15 at the begining of the second q.
Funny game ... Greece has only one real SF and Croatia has no real PF :D
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i hope nbatv picks it up as it is a great tourney to watch and helps give hoop fans a "fix" during the offseason.
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France qualifies for the second round!
[dang], once again they played ugly in the first half (I mean... 3 points in the second quarter, 16 overall at halftime... yeah... ::)) but woke up in the end, once again thanks (partly) to Tony Parker.
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Very good game by Slovenia today. Serbia didn`t stand a chance. I am looking forward to the game against Spain tomorrow...
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Again i didn`t watch Slovenia .... :(
But i watched big part of Spain`s game. Once again they were very bad. They were lucky to win UK (!!!!) partly cause they had great % from downtown and partly cause of the refs` "respect". I can`t understand why Scarriolo insists on Gasol P. The guy has just come off a surgery and clearly can`t play well. It`s not like they don`t have other players
Greece had an easy game against Croatia. The upset of the day was Skopje winning Israel at the 3rd position final.
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Again i didn`t watch Slovenia .... :(
But i watched big part of Spain`s game. Once again they were very bad. They were lucky to win UK (!!!!) partly cause they had great % from downtown and partly cause of the refs` "respect". I can`t understand why Scarriolo insists on Gasol P. The guy has just come off a surgery and clearly can`t play well. It`s not like they don`t have other players
Greece had an easy game against Croatia. The upset of the day was Skopje winning Israel at the 3rd position final.
More minutes for Pau! Maybe he can be this year's Ginobili in the NBA!
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Spain won :D but they are really playing badly. I hope they beat Slovenia today and leave a better impression for the next round.
Happy to see Poland win again too :)
Congrats to France and Greece fans! ;)
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Well, it is a long tournament. I think it is better to start out slow and gain form during the championships, that is why Spain is still the big favourite, IMO.
I haven`t seen Poland yet but they seem to have a great starting 5. Of course, playing at home helps them immensely, but I don`t see them making the semi finals that would really be a huge upset. They have a good starting 5 but lack depth...
What bothers me is that there is a huge quality difference between groups. A and B are really poor whereas C and D are much more competitive...
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Well, it is a long tournament. I think it is better to start out slow and gain form during the championships, that is why Spain is still the big favourite, IMO.
It`s true but Spain hasn`t start just slow.... They seem completely off. I mean they couldn`t win UK ... U K !!!!!
United Kingdom Basketball Team !!! It looks more like a joke and still gave Spain a very very hard time.
Their roster is the best in the competition but so far they suck! Good players don`t make a good team.
Compared to the Ol. Games team (even the first games) they are 10 times worst
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Spain lacks fire after playing together so successfully for the last few years. And they think just showing up for games will be enough to win.
It will be interesting to see how they play against Slovenia. I expect them to be motivated today...
Of course, I am hoping Slovenia wins tonight, I really liked the way we played against Serbia yesterday. After injury to Udrih we lack depth in the back court but it seems we have great chemistry and that is crucial in team sports...
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Although we all aknowledge that Spain is the best team (-USA) tha last 4-5 years we must also have in mind that they haven`t won anything! They are not THAT succesfull so imho it`s inexcusable to lack fire and drive to win
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Although we all aknowledge that Spain is the best team (-USA) tha last 4-5 years we must also have in mind that they haven`t won anything! They are not THAT succesfull so imho it`s inexcusable to lack fire and drive to win
Excuse me?:
-Silver medal at the 2003 FIBA European Championship
-Gold medal at the 2006 FIBA World Championship
-Silver medal at the 2007 FIBA European Championship
-Silver medal at the 2008 Olympics
Are you sure that they've won nothing??
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I subconsciously i`ve erased the World Ch. final from my memory. ;D ;D
I meant 1st place but still my "haven`t won anything coment" comment doesn`t look good ....
but regardless i still find inexcusable to lack fire and drive to win
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I subconsciously i`ve erased the World Ch. final from my memory. ;D ;D
I meant 1st place but still my "haven`t won anything coment" comment doesn`t look good ....
but regardless i still find inexcusable to lack fire and drive to win
But an achievement such as getting an Olympic Silver Medal shouldn't be seen as "not winning anything"...just my opinion. So all the athletes who get a silver or a bronze in Olympics don't win anything?... I don't understand your point
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Also I don't think they are arrogant or without like of fire...they are just not playing well, not executing the system, having problems integrating an injured Gasol. There is no chemistry and they need time to get it back. Problem is that in the process they can lose again and get out of the tournament pretty easily, but that's the nature of the championship...we'll see if they manage to find the rhythm or if the rhythm to fly back to Spain finds them first.
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Being 2nd or 3rd is such big competitions is a success no argue. But Winner is only the 1st. You`ve said it yourself. "Achievement" I respect everyone for the efford but winner is only one imho. ...
That`s why i said "anything".
Spain is of course very succesful and talent wise one of the best European NT i can remember. but to feel "full" after 2 2nd places and one 1st ... i don`t find it reasonable and i hope that`s not why they look so bad so far.
The lost drive comes from bridman`s comment
Spain lacks fire after playing together so successfully for the last few years. And they think just showing up for games will be enough to win.
i too don`t think that this is why they appear like this.
gasol`s injury is of course a problem. calderon is also missing. But if spain needs Pau in the shoes of El Sid to win a game against UK then something is not right. Besides they are not the only team with problems. For example we are missing 2 of Ol. games startes and the 1st of the bench. And Greece isn`t known for the deep roster!
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Being 2nd or 3rd is such big competitions is a success no argue. But Winner is only the 1st. You`ve said it yourself. "Achievement" I respect everyone for the efford but winner is only one imho. ...
That`s why i said "anything".
Spain is of course very succesful and talent wise one of the best European NT i can remember. but to feel "full" after 2 2nd places and one 1st ... i don`t find it reasonable and i hope that`s not why they look so bad so far.
The lost drive comes from bridman`s comment
Spain lacks fire after playing together so successfully for the last few years. And they think just showing up for games will be enough to win.
i too don`t think that this is why they appear like this.
gasol`s injury is of course a problem. calderon is also missing. But if spain needs Pau in the shoes of El Sid to win a game against UK then something is not right. Besides they are not the only team with problems. For example we are missing 2 of Ol. games startes and the 1st of the bench. And Greece isn`t known for the deep roster!
We are talking about a World Champion and Olympic Finalist squad (let's not forget the epic game against USA). I think this is a WINNING team, with results and facts. Obviously that doesn't guarantee anything at all in this current tournament.
And also Silver and Bronze medals are for winners too, that's why they were created. There's not a single winner like in normal competitions.
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France finishes undefeated in its pool, it was unexpected! :o The team has won against Russia today, after another close game but this time Boris Diaw woke up and helped the tea at the end of the game.
Now the team can rest for a day and will have ton win only 1 game out of 3 to reach the quarterfinals.
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Congrats Drucci, TP!
It wasn't so unexpected cause they have a very nice team :)
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Congrats Drucci, TP!
It wasn't so unexpected cause they have a very nice team :)
Thanks for the TP, though I didn't deserve it since I wasn't on the court with the French team. ;D
Yeah the team is nice but is very inconsistent, that's why winning 3 straight games was unexpected!
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Well, the group that France is in is terrible! Anything but a 3-0 from them would be a surprise, IMO. Germany without Dirk, Kaman, Okulaja, Russia missing half their team and Latvia...
Spain played much better today. Slovenia forced overtime on a buzzer beater but fell just short. It is tough to play against Spain since you have to beat the refs too...Overall it was a good game, very intense but the arrogance of Spanish players is just unbearable...After this game I absolutely despise Rudy Fernandez. I have never seen a more cocky player...
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Is Rubio playing?
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meanwhile in america
Argentina beats Canada
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Spain played much better today. Slovenia forced overtime on a buzzer beater but fell just short. It is tough to play against Spain since you have to beat the refs too
I though i was the only one to think that !
Unfortunately i didn`t watch this game so i have absolutely no idea about Slovenia.
As for the rest ..
Disappointments : spain (very bad performance so far) and Lithuania.
best teams : i like Turkey! Turkoglu is in good shape (usualy NBAers are a little rusty this time of year). also Greece has played well and are very focused but still i don`t have high hopes cause it was an wasy group
biggest upset : FYROm qualify over Israel.
Rubio is playing but he is in the same spirit as the rest of the team.
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Rubio hasn`t been playing well. He will never score a lot of points but he hasn`t been doing much else either...OTOH, Dragic was brilliant yesterday in the 4th quarter, PHO has a nice backup PG...
Turkey has some nice pieces though I have yet to see them play. Greece has been impressive but like you said ederson their group was extremely easy...
I am worried about Lithuania however. They barely beat Bulgaria yesterday but can get hot at any moment and we are playing them next...It will be a tough game...
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Well, the group that France is in is terrible! Anything but a 3-0 from them would be a surprise, IMO. Germany without Dirk, Kaman, Okulaja, Russia missing half their team and Latvia...
Spain played much better today. Slovenia forced overtime on a buzzer beater but fell just short. It is tough to play against Spain since you have to beat the refs too...Overall it was a good game, very intense but the arrogance of Spanish players is just unbearable...After this game I absolutely despise Rudy Fernandez. I have never seen a more cocky player...
The refs? The last basket in regulation came after a quite noticeable travelling violation... I don't get the anti-Spain comments in this thread. Rudy has always had this body language, it's not new. I wouldn't say it's cockiness...unless you think that the USA teams are all cocky...do you? To me it's just confidence
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Spain played much better today. Slovenia forced overtime on a buzzer beater but fell just short. It is tough to play against Spain since you have to beat the refs too
I though i was the only one to think that !
Unfortunately i didn`t watch this game so i have absolutely no idea about Slovenia.
As for the rest ..
Disappointments : spain (very bad performance so far) and Lithuania.
Isn't that a contradiction?
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the comment wasn`t for the game against slovenia but it was more general. For example against UK the refs did their best in the last mins
I don`t know how to express differently but i`ll try once more
Spain has the best and deepest roster in europe.
in this tournament so far they are very bad.
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I was looking at the game program and how they knock out games will be and i noticed that the way the tournament is a little (if not a lot) unfair for the two teams of the 2nd that qualify last
These two teams will play the quarter final in other city (so a travel is needed) in 20-24 hours since their last game. At the same time their opponents will have a full day of extra rest!
It`s great for France and Greece(my prediction) but still i think it`s a flaw of the program
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Spain played much better today. Slovenia forced overtime on a buzzer beater but fell just short. It is tough to play against Spain since you have to beat the refs too...Overall it was a good game, very intense but the arrogance of Spanish players is just unbearable...After this game I absolutely despise Rudy Fernandez. I have never seen a more cocky player...
The whole "to beat Spain you have to beat the referees, too" and referee type of comments in general are very boring and dull . There's always someone outraged about no matter what, be it the Champions League, the European Championship, etc. At some point we should just forget the referees and assume that sometimes you get the calls and other times it will be your rival who benefits from bad refereeing.
Many people too often blame tournament winners for benefitting from referee protection but aren't just these teams, at the same time, the ones everyone considered to be the best ones anyway? Don't we consider Kobe and Lebron to be amongst the TOP5 best players in the league but at the same time we cannot stand that they get what we believe is EVERY call? To get the calls you have to earn some respect and only winners do earn it.
Anyway, concerning the Euro, I agree that Spain has been playing like @#*¤it, given the standards they had set in the last years. Problem for me is the loss of Calderon affects their play more than they would have known. Now there are 3 different point guards running plays, none of whom has played 30 minutes consistently and the situation is a bit of a mess. Things looked better against Slovenia but it is sort of scary how the Spanish team does not seem able to close out games.
Someone asked about Rubio. Too many turnovers so far. Not playing consistently enough in my opinion.
The competition looks strong this year except for Russia and Lithuania who have their B Teams playing. I would put my money on Turkey as of now, they have been solid and have executed games perfectly. Other than that, Spain will turn things around (I hope) and France and Croatia are the other teams I see with a chance. France because they have a deep team and are in a good rythm after having to qualify for the tournament last minute (this August) and Croatia because they seem to have put together somewhat of a competitive squad after a long time.
Further, I don't think the Greek team is deep enough and the Serbians - although they completely killed Spain when we played them - are too young (22 years of age average)and I would be surprised if the Polish team, despite having looked great up until now was to make it past quarter finals. Same goes for Slovenia.
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Spain played much better today. Slovenia forced overtime on a buzzer beater but fell just short. It is tough to play against Spain since you have to beat the refs too...Overall it was a good game, very intense but the arrogance of Spanish players is just unbearable...After this game I absolutely despise Rudy Fernandez. I have never seen a more cocky player...
The whole "to beat Spain you have to beat the referees, too" and referee type of comments in general are very boring and dull . There's always someone outraged about no matter what, be it the Champions League, the European Championship, etc. At some point we should just forget the referees and assume that sometimes you get the calls and other times it will be your rival who benefits from bad refereeing.
Many people too often blame tournament winners for benefitting from referee protection but aren't just these teams, at the same time, the ones everyone considered to be the best ones anyway? Don't we consider Kobe and Lebron to be amongst the TOP5 best players in the league but at the same time we cannot stand that they get what we believe is EVERY call? To get the calls you have to earn some respect and only winners do earn it.
Anyway, concerning the Euro, I agree that Spain has been playing like @#*¤it, given the standards they had set in the last years. Problem for me is the loss of Calderon affects their play more than they would have known. Now there are 3 different point guards running plays, none of whom has played 30 minutes consistently and the situation is a bit of a mess. Things looked better against Slovenia but it is sort of scary how the Spanish team does not seem able to close out games.
Someone asked about Rubio. Too many turnovers so far. Not playing consistently enough in my opinion.
The competition looks strong this year except for Russia and Lithuania who have their B Teams playing. I would put my money on Turkey as of now, they have been solid and have executed games perfectly. Other than that, Spain will turn things around (I hope) and France and Croatia are the other teams I see with a chance. France because they have a deep team and are in a good rythm after having to qualify for the tournament last minute (this August) and Croatia because they seem to have put together somewhat of a competitive squad after a long time.
Further, I don't think the Greek team is deep enough and the Serbians - although they completely killed Spain when we played them - are too young (22 years of age average)and I would be surprised if the Polish team, despite having looked great up until now was to make it past quarter finals. Same goes for Slovenia.
Agreed completely, great post :) Tp!
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If any of you are interested in watching some of the games, someone has a free live stream going.
http://www.nierva.com/2009-fiba-eurobasket-live-stream-online/
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+26 for France and another win after the game against Macedonia. The team is almost sure to play in the quarterfinals.
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I haven't been watching the games ... I was wondering if anyone could answer this for me, how has Batum been playing for France?
Does he look like he'll be able to take a large step forward next season? Or should we expect more of the same?
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I haven't been watching the games ... I was wondering if anyone could answer this for me, how has Batum been playing for France?
Does he look like he'll be able to take a large step forward next season? Or should we expect more of the same?
Well, I've watched all the France games so I can give you an answer : Batum plays really well in this tournament. He isn't very regular in scoring (between 9 or 13 points per game) but he does all the little things that help the team tremendously and that are not necessarily shown on the boxscore. He gets a lot of rebounds (French team is very undersized so it's huge), seems to always be above the hoop, dunks on alley-oops, putbacks... He also blocks shots and makes good decisions.
I have not seen him play a lot in the NBA the past season but I think you can fairly say that he will make a leap next season, yeah. His shot is more reliable and he uses his athleticism at the best. The only concern about him is his shoulder which seems often painful, but other than that this Eurobasket is a great experience for him, and Batum will be more experienced from a mental standpoint but also from a physical one next season.
That's a given to me.
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I haven't been watching the games ... I was wondering if anyone could answer this for me, how has Batum been playing for France?
Does he look like he'll be able to take a large step forward next season? Or should we expect more of the same?
Well, I've watched all the France games so I can give you an answer : Batum plays really well in this tournament. He isn't very regular in scoring (between 9 or 13 points per game) but he does all the little things that help the team tremendously and that are not necessarily shown on the boxscore. He gets a lot of rebounds (French team is very undersized so it's huge), seems to always be above the hoop, dunks on alley-oops, putbacks... He also blocks shots and makes good decisions.
I have not seen him play a lot in the NBA the past season but I think you can fairly say that he will make a leap next season, yeah. His shot is more reliable and he uses his athleticism at the best. The only concern about him is his shoulder which seems often painful, but other than that this Eurobasket is a great experience for him, and Batum will be more experienced from a mental standpoint but also from a physical one next season.
That's a given to me.
Thanks Drucci -- I meant to watch today's game to get a glimpse of him, but by the time I tuned in France were already up big and playing mostly their bench guys. I'll have to try again next game!
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Yeah, next game is Sunday against Croatia! It should be an interesting and close one.
I'm looking forward to the Spain/Turkey of tomorrow!
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Yeah, next game is Sunday against Croatia! It should be an interesting and close one.
I'm looking forward to the Spain/Turkey of tomorrow!
Oh yeah, I'm very excited about that one. I want to get a good long look at Ersan Ilyasova ... get a feel for what he can give the Bucks next season.
I haven't seen him play since he left the NBA, but his stats + reports on his game are very impressive. From the sound of it, he has a great shot at winning that starting power forward slot in Milwaukee next season.
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So in case I missed it, did anyone find this on directv or online somewhere? I really could use a live basketball fix.
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Where is Italy in all of this? Don't they have some talent? At least a couple players that are in the NBA...
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So in case I missed it, did anyone find this on directv or online somewhere? I really could use a live basketball fix.
Look up a few posts on this page...I posted a link there. ;)
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Italy had to go through a qualification round for the last spot and at the final they faced France. I don`t know if the Italian NBAers were willing to come and play but apart from them Italy doesn`t have much.
Ilyasova is indeed good in the tournament. Turkogou and he carry the team but imho he is little soft to play PF in NBA
France will have easy work against Croatia too. They are in every way better and their front line is too atheltic for any team and especialy for the Croatians. The last game is Greece-France with the winner going 1st. But depending on the situation at the other group maybe no one will like to be 1st :D
about streaming try ****.eu
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I watched the Turkey-Spain game today ... and I thought Erden played well. He had some big plays down the stretch and had some nice moments playing against the Gasol brothers.
Erden finished with 11 points, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 steals in 24 minutes. Turkey don't win this game today without him.
However, Erden was somewhat inconsistent within the game -- some very good plays followed by poor plays and/or non-plays -- doesn't understand his own game (strengths vs weaknesses) well enough to repeat areas that he's having success with. That flaw will stop him from being an NBA player for the time being, and perhaps forever if he doesn't correct it, but he does have an intriguing package. It was good to see him play well on this stage and against good big man competition.
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Spain's coach, Sergio Scariolo is taking awful late game decisions. This team is no longer well coached and the players are not buying the new systems... Against 4 Turkish Bigs he sends a bad shooter to try and score over them in the last seconds... Either something changes or this team won't get far >:(
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I think he wanted to surprise the Turks and gave the last shot to the least expected. Was it a foul? There are issues with Scariolo deeper than just this decision (at least that`s what i`ve read).
But in the last min the Turks also did their best to give the win to Spain. Turgoglu`s turnover ..... It was an ugly game though
I finaly managed to watch Slovenia against the what i called the second favourite to win the tournament , Lithuania.:D
Slovenia is indeed good. They always have had good roster but this time they seem focused during the game. They have a plan and they stick to it. And more important , they play defense. Zdovc is doing a great job there. He was my fav player and i happy for him.
As for Lithuania ... Why are they so bad???
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I think he wanted to surprise the Turks and gave the last shot to the least expected. Was it a foul? There are issues with Scariolo deeper than just this decision (at least that`s what i`ve read).
But in the last min the Turks also did their best to give the win to Spain. Turgoglu`s turnover ..... It was an ugly game though
I finaly managed to watch Slovenia against the what i called the second favourite to win the tournament , Lithuania.:D
Slovenia is indeed good. They always have had good roster but this time they seem focused during the game. They have a plan and they stick to it. And more important , they play defense. Zdovc is doing a great job there. He was my fav player and i happy for him.
As for Lithuania ... Why are they so bad???
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Slovenia played great yesterday. I was afraid of this match but we completely dominated Lithuania!
Though after all the injuries we lack a bit of quality off the bench. If we had Beno Udrih or maybe Becirovic I could definitely see us winning it all, this way it will be extremely difficult. But there is nothing better than watch your team play team basketball with excellent ball movement, defense, great chemistry...Love it!
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I think he wanted to surprise the Turks and gave the last shot to the least expected. Was it a foul? There are issues with Scariolo deeper than just this decision (at least that`s what i`ve read).
What he did is the equivalent of giving the last minute play to JR Giddens in a first round playoff game... one thing is to surprise and another is to throw poor JR against Shaq and Leon Powe to see what happens...
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LLull is not the last bench player of Real Madrid (21mpg in spanish league) while Pruit wasn`t even that and Asik is not Powe (i won`t even comment about Shaq)
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LLull is not the last bench player of Real Madrid (21mpg in spanish league) while Pruit wasn`t even that and Asik is not Powe (i won`t even comment about Shaq)
It was just an example, ederson. I didn't mean to compare the players but rather the situation. It's the first time Llull is with the team, he is not the star and he shouldn't have had that ball. Navarro, Rudy or Gasol were the most normal choices
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Spain played much better today. Slovenia forced overtime on a buzzer beater but fell just short. It is tough to play against Spain since you have to beat the refs too...Overall it was a good game, very intense but the arrogance of Spanish players is just unbearable...After this game I absolutely despise Rudy Fernandez. I have never seen a more cocky player...
The whole "to beat Spain you have to beat the referees, too" and referee type of comments in general are very boring and dull . There's always someone outraged about no matter what, be it the Champions League, the European Championship, etc. At some point we should just forget the referees and assume that sometimes you get the calls and other times it will be your rival who benefits from bad refereeing.
Many people too often blame tournament winners for benefitting from referee protection but aren't just these teams, at the same time, the ones everyone considered to be the best ones anyway? Don't we consider Kobe and Lebron to be amongst the TOP5 best players in the league but at the same time we cannot stand that they get what we believe is EVERY call? To get the calls you have to earn some respect and only winners do earn it.
Anyway, concerning the Euro, I agree that Spain has been playing like @#*¤it, given the standards they had set in the last years. Problem for me is the loss of Calderon affects their play more than they would have known. Now there are 3 different point guards running plays, none of whom has played 30 minutes consistently and the situation is a bit of a mess. Things looked better against Slovenia but it is sort of scary how the Spanish team does not seem able to close out games.
Someone asked about Rubio. Too many turnovers so far. Not playing consistently enough in my opinion.
The competition looks strong this year except for Russia and Lithuania who have their B Teams playing. I would put my money on Turkey as of now, they have been solid and have executed games perfectly. Other than that, Spain will turn things around (I hope) and France and Croatia are the other teams I see with a chance. France because they have a deep team and are in a good rythm after having to qualify for the tournament last minute (this August) and Croatia because they seem to have put together somewhat of a competitive squad after a long time.
Further, I don't think the Greek team is deep enough and the Serbians - although they completely killed Spain when we played them - are too young (22 years of age average)and I would be surprised if the Polish team, despite having looked great up until now was to make it past quarter finals. Same goes for Slovenia.
Please repost the ref comments during the NBA season!
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Unless we see great surprises in the last day it seems that Spain will qualify as 4th and Serbia 3rd
So tomorrow at the game France - Greece the winner could be the loser !
Would you prefer to lose the game and select your next opponent ?
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Yeah, I'm almost disappointed because France is undefeated and probably going to face Spain in the quarters... Poland is tough too but less than Spain I guess, so we will see but I wouldn't be against a strategical loss against Greece, although the game itself will be a great test for France since they will face real competition against the Greeks.
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I remember another Euro when Greece selected an opponent at the quarterfinals and proved to be the worst decision ever! So out of superstition i prefer to go for the win tomorow. But then again no matter their condition Spain is better than Serbia and Poland.
If both teams will go for "a strategical loss a" it will be a funny and sad at the same time game
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Well, finally, both teams played for the win! Nando De Colo won the game at the buzzer for the French team, after a crucial mistake (not fouling with a 3 points lead and 15 seconds left for Greece... and Spanoulis made a 3, of course).
Now I hope France will avoid Spain for the quarterfinals.
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To be honest i`m sure that France played to win. T.Parker played only ~20mins. It looks strange. But in any case France was the better side and deserved to win. The first win against Greece in a Eurobasket since 1984. To be honest when Spanoulis made the shot i was pretty sure that we`d win the game like 05 in Belgrade:D
Unfortunately our pg problem gets clearer every day. Spanoulis is excellent but not pg. Calathes is still adapting to euro basket and Zisis is simply not good enough. The team misses a real point like Diamantidis (we miss his defense too). Our attack depends heavily upon Spanoulis and Sofo and this makes us very very predictable.
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To be honest i`m sure that France played to win. T.Parker played only ~20mins. It looks strange. But in any case France was the better side and deserved to win. The first win against Greece in a Eurobasket since 1984. To be honest when Spanoulis made the shot i was pretty sure that we`d win the game like 05 in Belgrade:D
Unfortunately our pg problem gets clearer every day. Spanoulis is excellent but not pg. Calathes is still adapting to euro basket and Zisis is simply not good enough. The team misses a real point like Diamantidis (we miss his defense too). Our attack depends heavily upon Spanoulis and Sofo and this makes us very very predictable.
who else is playing with france?
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Nicolas Batum, Boris Diaw, Ronny Turiaf, Florent Pietrus (Mike's brother) : that's for the NBAers. And then you have Nando De Colo (drafted by the Spurs), Ali Traoré, Alin Koffi, Antoine Diot and Aymeric Janneau.
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Spain won the game vs Poland, finally playing almost a perfect game. I feel bad for the hosts, Poland (I live in this beautiful country and my girlfriend is Polish).
France-Spain tomorrow night, huge game!
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Nicolas Batum, Boris Diaw, Ronny Turiaf, Florent Pietrus (Mike's brother) : that's for the NBAers. And then you have Nando De Colo (drafted by the Spurs), Ali Traoré, Alin Koffi, Antoine Diot and Aymeric Janneau.
pretty team.
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The quarterfinals are :
Russia Serbia
France Spain
Turkey Greece
Slovenia Croatia
Slovenia must try very hard to lose the game. They are much better team but knock outs are not their favurite games. Usually they are victims of a ugly (for them) surprise. I hope not this time.
Russia - Serbia and France-Spain. Anything can happen. I`ll go with Serbia and Spain
About Turkey - Greece i can`t comment. I`m a little biased. :D
Yesterday Calderon predicted that will qualify to the semis the 4 teams from the 2nd group (Slovenia,Turkey,Serbia,Spain). Possibly he`ll be proved right.
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Russia just got eliminated by Serbia!
Next game is Spain/France, I'm not really confident about France's chances but I hope it will be a great game.
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Russia just got eliminated by Serbia!
Next game is Spain/France, I'm not really confident about France's chances but I hope it will be a great game.
I hope France whoops the crud out of them, but Rudy Fernandez drops 30. TP for the first person who knows why.
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Russia just got eliminated by Serbia!
Next game is Spain/France, I'm not really confident about France's chances but I hope it will be a great game.
I hope France whoops the crud out of them, but Rudy Fernandez drops 30. TP for the first person who knows why.
Don't know why, but right now France is getting crushed. :'(
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France had 6 turnovers is the first 6.5 mins ! You can`t beat anyone like this. Spain plays great D on Parker adn without him France can`t do much .
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Spain is finally playing great :)
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Spain is finally playing great :)
Yeah, at the worst time for the French team. ;D
I'm disappointed because France went undefeated for 6 games but reality finally caught us back... Now I hope Turkey or any other team will defeat Spain because I just hate Gasol even more now.
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Now I hope Turkey or any other team will defeat Spain because I just hate Gasol even more now.
Turkey won`t do you the favour... cause they won`t qualify :D LOL
Useless stat (i can`t verify it myself but it looks ok): Slovenia in 17 games in the knock out stage (eurobasket , world champ and ol. games) has 17 defeats !!!
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That stat can`t be true. There is no way we were in 17 knock out games in our short history...
The problem is we are running out of players. We only have 10 available for the quarter finals, 8 of them fully healthy...with only 1 PG left the pressure on our back court will be huge...
We have been cursed in these championships. Injury after injury...
Still, I believe in our team. Chemistry, hustle, heart and team play should be enough for the semifinals...
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The number indeed seems to be wrong. I did a little googling and the only similar thing i`ve found is that in 17 tournaments Slovenia failed to get past quarterfinals. Which is still impressive having in my mind the talent this team has.
I agree about tonight though. It will be huge surprise if Croatia wins
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Croatia looked great in tournaments before Euro, but they played poor during. I think/hope they will get their s*** together all advance this round, plus we(Croats) have bad blood with Slovenia so it will be a fight for every point out there.
GO CROATIA!!!!
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Well, if you have bad blood with Slovenians, just imagine a semi-final against Serbia! ;D (and the same for Slovenia).
Also Greece-Turkey is not precisely a match between brothers, I guess.
Anyway, I hope basketball overtake History and politics this evening and we can watch 2 very good games.
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This kind of rivalries are more in the head of the fans. I`ve watched many games Croatia - Serbia in water polo which is a little "violent" compared to basketball and there wasn`t any kind of hostility and fanatism between the players.
Anyway i can`t see Croatia winning. As for the other game it will be possibly the most ugly game of the tournament. Low and close score. But i can stand that as long as Greece wins :D
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Greece vs Spain
Slovenia vs Serbia
Nice semifinals. To me the surprise of the tournament is Slovenia for sure, really nice tournament.
Can't wait for the games to start! :)
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OMG, Croatia scored like 46-48 points in the first half and in one point had a 15 point lead, and in the second half I think they scored like 18 points and only 3 in the 3rd qtr!!!!! :(
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Great day! Spain is really playing like expected in the last 3-4 games and they got their ticket to the Final :) The team is finally playing great defense and executing well on offense. I'm really excited about this team!
Now Serbia-Slovenia!
Go Spain, go!! ;)
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Great day! Spain is really playing like expected in the last 3-4 games and they got their ticket to the Final :) The team is finally playing great defense and executing well on offense. I'm really excited about this team!
Now Serbia-Slovenia!
Go Spain, go!! ;)
BOOO Spain BOOO!
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Great day! Spain is really playing like expected in the last 3-4 games and they got their ticket to the Final :) The team is finally playing great defense and executing well on offense. I'm really excited about this team!
Now Serbia-Slovenia!
Go Spain, go!! ;)
BOOO Spain BOOO!
Gold Spain Gold!!!!! ;)
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Spain-Serbia will be the Final!
I hope the gold goes to Madrid!! :D
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The final is at halftime. Spain is so far dominating Serbia :)
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Campeones! Finally, after 6 (I believe) lost finals in European Championships, our first European gold medal. :D
2006 World Champions
2007 European Finalists
2008 Olympic Finalists
2009 European Champions
... to be continued
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Campeones!!!!!!!!! Tp para ti, Markeras :)
Spain is European Champion!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Although we all aknowledge that Spain is the best team (-USA) tha last 4-5 years we must also have in mind that they haven`t won anything! They are not THAT succesfull so imho it`s inexcusable to lack fire and drive to win
Can we say now that they've won something? ::)
We are the champiooooons!!! ;) ;D
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I don`t think so .... Serbia has also won
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I don`t think so .... Serbia has also won
Exactly, that was my point at the beginning of the thread. Spain, Serbia and Greece got their medals and DID win something
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Well, Spain was by far the best team. But they were practically the only team at full strength (sans Calderon)...
I am extremely disappointed Slovenia didn`t win a medal. The injuries completely killed us. I have never seen a team have more troubles...Still, we should have won against Serbia...
I hope next year in Turkey we are healthy because we have the quality for a medal...
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Well, Spain was by far the best team. But they were practically the only team at full strength (sans Calderon)...
Still they are deeper than the competition. Instead of Calderon they had Rubio. Their 3rd or 4th option in the paint was Reyes.
I am extremely disappointed Slovenia didn`t win a medal. The injuries completely killed us. I have never seen a team have more troubles...Still, we should have won against Serbia...
on the other hand Slovenia did much better than any other tournament. And considering injuries i`d be happy and optimistic.
i`d like to know why they allowed the 3p shot at the end of the semi. I can`t believe that Zdovc didn`t ask for a foul.
random thoughts about the tournament:
I didn`t expect serbia to be this good. The only weird thing is that it`s the first Serbian (or ex yugoslavian team) that can`t make consistently 3p shots.
sofo had a great tournament and this time i hope he`ll grab his chance. I can`t think of a player in Europe that can stop him.
i don`t like the format of the competition.
Next stop 28/8/2010 Turkey
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The most ridiculous thing was the schedule! How can one team have 30 hours more to prepare for the semifinals? Idiotic...
Well, Sofo looked good but it all depends on the refs criteria. He was camping in the paint in the 3rd place game and there were no 3 seconds called. Also he practically wrestled under the basket to gain position and no offensive foul called...
Players that impressed me the most:
Lorbek- he played fantastic, IND is lucky to have his rights, he can certainly play in the NBA...
Teodosic- he was actually in this years draft and went undrafted. Sure, he didn`t have a breathtaking season for Olympiacos but the competition at PG there is huge...I wish we used our pick on him instead of Hudson...
Also Ilyasova, Rudy, Gasol, Spaniulis played great but they are "known" NBA commodity...
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The most ridiculous thing was the schedule! How can one team have 30 hours more to prepare for the semifinals? Idiotic...
The two group rounds are also stupid.
One group round and then knock outs.
Well, Sofo looked good but it all depends on the refs criteria. He was camping in the paint in the 3rd place game and there were no 3 seconds called. Also he practically wrestled under the basket to gain position and no offensive foul called...
I didn`t watch the last game so i guess he did camp. But about the fouls i think it`s the other way around (not always of course).
Teodosic- he was actually in this years draft and went undrafted. Sure, he didn`t have a breathtaking season for Olympiacos but the competition at PG there is huge...I wish we used our pick on him instead of Hudson...
I`m sold yet about Teodosic. his seasons in Greece have been avaerage at best. In this tournament he was indeed very good but he has to maintain this kind of performance.
I expected something more from Koufos (he had some health issues though) and from the lithuania as a team
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Campeones!!!!!!!!! Tp para ti, Markeras :)
Spain is European Champion!!!!!!!!!! :D
Te lo devuelvo, campeon ;) Ya iba siendo hora, eh? Yo he tenido que esperar 29 años, manda huevos!