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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: mahonedog88 on June 29, 2009, 07:00:19 PM
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Anyone else catch the end of Sports Tonight?
He couldn't name his source. He just said to trust him, that from what he's hearing, Rasheed is pretty close to coming to Boston.
That's obviously the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Ric Bucher said.
Take it for what it's worth
Thread title update by me - Jeff
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Just saw that. What a jerk, throwing that out, as a tease for the 10pm show (he said more on it at 10). He definitely reeled me in, even though I don't buy he has inside info for a second.
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I'm hyperventilating right now. Don't toy with me, Tanguay. I met you courtside you shouldn't treat me this way.
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July 1... until then not much we can do with these sort of rumors. It'll just give me a headache thinking about it. Would be pretty cool if true. Do you start him over Perk?
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Unlike other GM's, Danny doesn't come off as the type of GM that would try to negotiate before July 1st. I'm sure most GM's do, but Danny seems like a straight laced by the rules guy. I remember a few years they video taped Toronto's draft war room and their GM called Danny to ask about Marcus Williams and Danny seemed to think it was unethical to only share info with Toronto. i think many GM's and FA's are negotiating now, but Danny will wait until July 1st.
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Unlike other GM's, Danny doesn't come off as the type of GM that would try to negotiate before July 1st. I'm sure most GM's do, but Danny seems like a straight laced by the rules guy. I remember a few years they video taped Toronto's draft war room and their GM called Danny to ask about Marcus Williams and Danny seemed to think it was unethical to only share info with Toronto. i think many GM's and FA's are negotiating now, but Danny will wait until July 1st.
1. I completely disagree. Danny would take every advantage he can.
2. Just because they can't negotiate, does not mean feelers cant be put out from both sides. Danny can let word get to Sheed's agent that he is willing to give him the full MLE for 2-3 years, and Sheed's agent can send word through back channels whether he would be interested.
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i hope this is true..i'll be p---ed if tanquays playing mind games.
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July 1... until then not much we can do with these sort of rumors. It'll just give me a headache thinking about it. Would be pretty cool if true. Do you start him over Perk?
You'd seriously consider starting 'sheed over Perk?
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July 1... until then not much we can do with these sort of rumors. It'll just give me a headache thinking about it. Would be pretty cool if true. Do you start him over Perk?
You'd seriously consider starting 'sheed over Perk?
Yeah, because Sheed is clearly an untalented player. He can shoot from anywhere on the floor, he's a good defender, will spread the defense making it easier for everyone in the floor to play their game, especially if Rondo is looking to penetrate more, if they want KG playing closer to the basket, and Pierce will have an easier time getting to the rim. Now, why should I seriously consider this?
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July 1... until then not much we can do with these sort of rumors. It'll just give me a headache thinking about it. Would be pretty cool if true. Do you start him over Perk?
You'd seriously consider starting 'sheed over Perk?
Yeah, because Sheed is clearly an untalented player. He can shoot from anywhere on the floor, he's a good defender, will spread the defense making it easier for everyone in the floor to play their game, especially if Rondo is looking to penetrate more, if they want KG playing closer to the basket, and Pierce will have an easier time getting to the rim. Now, why should I seriously consider this?
I think this only happens if Sheed understands that he'd be coming off the bench. He'd probably play down the stretch in 4th quarter crunch time, but he'd be starting off the game on the bench.
I think this team and coaching staff is too loyal to Perk to just automatically put him as the backup center. I still think Perk is a better defender right now anyway. Wallace has fallen in love with the three ball at this stage in his career.
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Unlike other GM's, Danny doesn't come off as the type of GM that would try to negotiate before July 1st. I'm sure most GM's do, but Danny seems like a straight laced by the rules guy. I remember a few years they video taped Toronto's draft war room and their GM called Danny to ask about Marcus Williams and Danny seemed to think it was unethical to only share info with Toronto. i think many GM's and FA's are negotiating now, but Danny will wait until July 1st.
Danny just today said there were different types of free agents. August 15th free agents, August 1st free agents and July 1st free agents.
How could he say there were July 1st free agents and not be a guy that doesn't whisper through people to other people who might happen to mention to Rasheed Wallace's agent that the C's might be willing to do a 2 year full MLE for Sheed?
Personally I think the Celtics sign someone, maybe Rasheed, less than ten minutes after the free agency period opens.
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this is one rumor i hope is true.
dahntay jones? yuck.
oberto? pluuuzeeee.
wallace off the bench for 25 to 30 minutes would help the celtics sooooo much.
KG plays less minutes, maybe only 30-32. and if paired with wallace wallace take some of the pressure to score off KG.
perk plays less minutes, less wear and tear on his shoulder. when paired with perk wallace can provide otuside shooting.
wallace is not what he once way, but that is maybe why the celtics can afford him. if he goes to the celtics and doc plays him 24 to 30 minutes, i would keep wallace from getting tired.
if this happens, all ainge has to do is sign grant hill and the celtics are THE team to beat.
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pretty sure rasheed would be the 6th man. perk is too perfect down low on defense. i don't think perk would be as effective coming in where rasheed is more versatile. ah, what do i know?
once i read this, it popped in my head that maybe this is why rumors were going around about dahntay jones and oberto who seem to be further down the ladder of talented free agents.maybe rasheed made it known to kg?
i've flipped on rasheed. honestly, i'm not a fan. i think he whoops it up with his mouth and has let the pistons down with a much less than 100% percent effort ,but there just is'nt much out there. quality over quantity i say.
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Unlike other GM's, Danny doesn't come off as the type of GM that would try to negotiate before July 1st. I'm sure most GM's do, but Danny seems like a straight laced by the rules guy. I remember a few years they video taped Toronto's draft war room and their GM called Danny to ask about Marcus Williams and Danny seemed to think it was unethical to only share info with Toronto. i think many GM's and FA's are negotiating now, but Danny will wait until July 1st.
Danny just today said there were different types of free agents. August 15th free agents, August 1st free agents and July 1st free agents.
How could he say there were July 1st free agents and not be a guy that doesn't whisper through people to other people who might happen to mention to Rasheed Wallace's agent that the C's might be willing to do a 2 year full MLE for Sheed?
Personally I think the Celtics sign someone, maybe Rasheed, less than ten minutes after the free agency period opens.
I think Danny works hard and will be prepared come July 1st, but I don't see him negotiating a deal (like the Clippers did with Baron Davis) prior to July 1st. I'd be shocked if the Celtics sign someone by 12:10 AM on Wednesday, but if they do you have permission to rub it in.
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July 1... until then not much we can do with these sort of rumors. It'll just give me a headache thinking about it. Would be pretty cool if true. Do you start him over Perk?
You'd seriously consider starting 'sheed over Perk?
Yeah, because Sheed is clearly an untalented player. He can shoot from anywhere on the floor, he's a good defender, will spread the defense making it easier for everyone in the floor to play their game, especially if Rondo is looking to penetrate more, if they want KG playing closer to the basket, and Pierce will have an easier time getting to the rim. Now, why should I seriously consider this?
You really would start Sheed over Perk... are you kidding me... Along with KG, Perk is the catalyst of our defense... we already have the best starting five in basketball why would we tamper with it... Perk already has proven he fits perfectly... and Perk is a much better player to play alongside with KG than Sheed... Don't get me wrong I would love if Sheed came here but he would have to have take a back up roll behind KG and Perk
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Let's also remember those shoulders of Perks. He may miss stretches throughout the season. When he is healthy I think he starts, however it would be nice for when Perk is in foul trouble or out. It also would be nice to be able to go big with:
Rondo/ or even just Ray with PP bringing the ball up
PP
KG
Perk
Rasheed
What a luxury that would be. With the moves by the Cavs and Magic I hope danny and Wic know it will take a big move like this to be in the hunt.
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adding grant hill would give us a lot of brains out there on the court. i just think he'll get injured. sucks for him. one unlucky dude. i know he's had completely unrelated injuries but how has that ankle held up? anyone know? does it give him pain still? is it something that's monitored from time to time?
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Unlike other GM's, Danny doesn't come off as the type of GM that would try to negotiate before July 1st. I'm sure most GM's do, but Danny seems like a straight laced by the rules guy. I remember a few years they video taped Toronto's draft war room and their GM called Danny to ask about Marcus Williams and Danny seemed to think it was unethical to only share info with Toronto. i think many GM's and FA's are negotiating now, but Danny will wait until July 1st.
Danny just today said there were different types of free agents. August 15th free agents, August 1st free agents and July 1st free agents.
How could he say there were July 1st free agents and not be a guy that doesn't whisper through people to other people who might happen to mention to Rasheed Wallace's agent that the C's might be willing to do a 2 year full MLE for Sheed?
Personally I think the Celtics sign someone, maybe Rasheed, less than ten minutes after the free agency period opens.
I think Danny works hard and will be prepared come July 1st, but I don't see him negotiating a deal (like the Clippers did with Baron Davis) prior to July 1st. I'd be shocked if the Celtics sign someone by 12:10 AM on Wednesday, but if they do you have permission to rub it in.
jr I wouldn't rub it in, I'd just expect some TP love ;) ;D
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Unlike other GM's, Danny doesn't come off as the type of GM that would try to negotiate before July 1st. I'm sure most GM's do, but Danny seems like a straight laced by the rules guy. I remember a few years they video taped Toronto's draft war room and their GM called Danny to ask about Marcus Williams and Danny seemed to think it was unethical to only share info with Toronto. i think many GM's and FA's are negotiating now, but Danny will wait until July 1st.
Danny just today said there were different types of free agents. August 15th free agents, August 1st free agents and July 1st free agents.
How could he say there were July 1st free agents and not be a guy that doesn't whisper through people to other people who might happen to mention to Rasheed Wallace's agent that the C's might be willing to do a 2 year full MLE for Sheed?
Personally I think the Celtics sign someone, maybe Rasheed, less than ten minutes after the free agency period opens.
I think Danny works hard and will be prepared come July 1st, but I don't see him negotiating a deal (like the Clippers did with Baron Davis) prior to July 1st. I'd be shocked if the Celtics sign someone by 12:10 AM on Wednesday, but if they do you have permission to rub it in.
jr I wouldn't rub it in, I'd just expect some TP love ;) ;D
No problem. Of course I'd oblige. But if they don't sign someone by then... ;D
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this was my first choice for a big....
maybe Danny can't negotiate, but I don't see any reason KG can't get this whole thing lined up, right?
get it done, KG....get it done.
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Unlike other GM's, Danny doesn't come off as the type of GM that would try to negotiate before July 1st. I'm sure most GM's do, but Danny seems like a straight laced by the rules guy. I remember a few years they video taped Toronto's draft war room and their GM called Danny to ask about Marcus Williams and Danny seemed to think it was unethical to only share info with Toronto. i think many GM's and FA's are negotiating now, but Danny will wait until July 1st.
Danny just today said there were different types of free agents. August 15th free agents, August 1st free agents and July 1st free agents.
How could he say there were July 1st free agents and not be a guy that doesn't whisper through people to other people who might happen to mention to Rasheed Wallace's agent that the C's might be willing to do a 2 year full MLE for Sheed?
Personally I think the Celtics sign someone, maybe Rasheed, less than ten minutes after the free agency period opens.
I think Danny works hard and will be prepared come July 1st, but I don't see him negotiating a deal (like the Clippers did with Baron Davis) prior to July 1st. I'd be shocked if the Celtics sign someone by 12:10 AM on Wednesday, but if they do you have permission to rub it in.
jr I wouldn't rub it in, I'd just expect some TP love ;) ;D
No problem. Of course I'd oblige. But if they don't sign someone by then... ;D
Quid pro quo
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if this happens i wanna hear about marion chasing the money to some crap team after that. getting greedy.
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Wallace would probably be the smartest move. Perk would definitely start, I'm sure KG would much rather have him by his side on D. A PF's ability to spread to floor is very valuable yet underrated. I know Scal doesn't score much himself, but i honestly notice an increase in other people scoring when he's standing behind the arc with his hands up. The Magic seemed to have success with four 3-point shooters on the floor at all times, and they don't have drivers like Pierce and Rondo.
Also, Perk is essential to defend guys like Howard, but i wouldn't mind seeing Wallace play excessive center minutes for Perk. That would give Garnett the opportunity to play a little closer to the basket (you know Rondo feeds those ally-oops perfectly).
I would rather see Wallace in the game for either of them than Big Baby to be honest (as long as can fit in nicely). And if we need some reserve muscle that's what we got Powe for. (HOPEFULLY)
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Yeah you think Big Baby is as good as gone if this rumor turns out to be true?
Also, as much as I love Grant Hill...no thank you. Nothing against his talent, he just can't stay healthy.
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Having KG and Sheed share 48 minutes a game would be really really sweet. Just I don't know if I trust the source.
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July 1... until then not much we can do with these sort of rumors. It'll just give me a headache thinking about it. Would be pretty cool if true. Do you start him over Perk?
You'd seriously consider starting 'sheed over Perk?
Y E S ! ! !
Rasheed is a hall of fame center, and Perk is a good center.
I am so excited if this is true, just look at all my passed posts begging for Rasheed Wallace (and also Matt Barnes, but Rasheed is clearly priority number one!)
I don't think it will really matter who starts anyway, I expect both to play close to 30 min. per game. This is so key to give perk rest with his shoulder, and to add an amazing talent named Rasheed Wallace. I know he can be wacky, but believe me, this guy COMPETES!
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I don't really see what you would need to do to get ready. Is a guy gonna pick your team just because he heard your name before another team's in an unconfirmed rumor.
All i see Ainge doing is writing down on a piece of paper who he wants from where in order at about 11:59 (probably a short list).
That or he has this huge trade already lined up to surprise us, but i don't think he wants to give any of us a heart attack.
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It matters which Sheed we get. If we get the one from last season who didn't care and just sat outside gunning threes then he's not gonna be much help. If we get a motivated Sheed trying for one more ring, then that would be great.
This is getting way ahead but I think he'd come off the bench. That way he'd be the go to guy off the bench rather then one of 5 guys trying to score. I think he'd like that better and I think it ballances the line up better. But that discussion is for another day.
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Yeah I'm thinking more and more that I hope this done. I've always personally hoped that the Bir[dang] will be our backup bigman, but since it looks like he's going to resign in Denver, I guess Rasheed is the next best thing.
I think it HAS to be done...cause what most people don't realize is that not only did Cleveland trade for Shaq, but they still have more money to spend to get a solid bench player as well. That team is going to be scarier than ever depending on who they sign
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It matters which Sheed we get. If we get the one from last season who didn't care and just sat outside gunning threes then he's not gonna be much help. If we get a motivated Sheed trying for one more ring, then that would be great.
This is getting way ahead but I think he'd come off the bench. That way he'd be the go to guy off the bench rather then one of 5 guys trying to score. I think he'd like that better and I think it ballances the line up better. But that discussion is for another day.
if he's on a team with a screaming KG, he will be as motivated as ever, it may bring back the sheed who lead the league in techs, but that's ok
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man this is painful.... wading through the rumors for 2 more days.... if this is true, then i will be one extremely happy camper! ;D
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It matters which Sheed we get. If we get the one from last season who didn't care and just sat outside gunning threes then he's not gonna be much help. If we get a motivated Sheed trying for one more ring, then that would be great.
This is getting way ahead but I think he'd come off the bench. That way he'd be the go to guy off the bench rather then one of 5 guys trying to score. I think he'd like that better and I think it ballances the line up better. But that discussion is for another day.
if he's on a team with a screaming KG, he will be as motivated as ever, it may bring back the sheed who lead the league in techs, but that's ok
Haha yah maybe he and perk can start their only little tech competition.
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It matters which Sheed we get. If we get the one from last season who didn't care and just sat outside gunning threes then he's not gonna be much help. If we get a motivated Sheed trying for one more ring, then that would be great.
This is getting way ahead but I think he'd come off the bench. That way he'd be the go to guy off the bench rather then one of 5 guys trying to score. I think he'd like that better and I think it ballances the line up better. But that discussion is for another day.
if he's on a team with a screaming KG, he will be as motivated as ever, it may bring back the sheed who lead the league in techs, but that's ok
Haha yah maybe he and perk can start their only little tech competition.
The Refs are gonna love us!! ;)
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He is a perfect fit to play with KG or Perk. Cut both of their minutes down... You play the 3 of them like 32 minutes a night. Perfect fit.
He has to get his ass in the post more though...
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mahonedog88 is right. cleveland ain't done yet. we really need this.
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if this is some sick ploy to boost ratings for the 10pm show, I will never watch it again! >:(
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if this is some sick ploy to boost ratings for the 10pm show, I will never watch it again! >:(
seconded
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this is what Tanguay has on his blog on csn's website
Rasheed in Green.
By Gary Tanguay
Monday, June 29, 2009 at 5:43 pm ET
"As we told you last week on Sports Tonight the Celtics would love to get Rasheed Wallace to come off the bench this year. As we grow closer to the post July 1st NBA free agent signing period the chances of Rasheed wearing green this coming season are very good.
He is good friends with Keving Garnett and he has a great interest in coming here.
My gut tells me Rasheed Wallace will be come a Celtic soon."
I just dont trust Tanguay but I hope he's right.
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Sheed would fit perfectly with the Celtics. He would have a ball with KG & gang. I really hope this is true.
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this is what Tanguay has on his blog on csn's website
Rasheed in Green.
By Gary Tanguay
Monday, June 29, 2009 at 5:43 pm ET
"As we told you last week on Sports Tonight the Celtics would love to get Rasheed Wallace to come off the bench this year. As we grow closer to the post July 1st NBA free agent signing period the chances of Rasheed wearing green this coming season are very good.
He is good friends with Keving Garnett and he has a great interest in coming here.
My gut tells me Rasheed Wallace will be come a Celtic soon."
I just dont trust Tanguay but I hope he's right.
That's a lot different than him saying his sources tell him that Sheed is coming.
let's see the report at 10.
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if this is some sick ploy to boost ratings for the 10pm show, I will never watch it again! >:(
seconded
thirded
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I wonder if Sheed signing would mean the end of the Big baby era in Boston? Would Danny really spend the entire MLE on Rasheed, a C/PF type and then spend another $3-5 million a year on Baby who would be playing the same position? Something tells me if the C's sign either Rasheed, Gooden or McDyess, Baby's days in Boston are over.
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I don't like Rasheed Wallace.
He's extremely volatile, prone to ups and downs in performance. He will take bad shots, miss them, then take even more bad shots. He's about as clutch as Chris Webber, and to op it off, he's a technical foul waiting to happen.
I don't think he will accept coming off the bench in Boston.
The rumour that we're interesting in Oberto sounds much more exciting.
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Love the idea of Sheed in green, hate the idea of spending our full MLE on him.
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naw fellas..he goin to cleveland
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I hope this rumor is not true.
- 35 yeras old (We are always older, older, older and older)
- Bad 2008/2009 statistics: 6,5 pts in playoff
- Injury prone: 66 games played last year, missed 16
- Full MLE for sheed? It's a wrong move
We are getting older, and older, and older, and...
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this is what Tanguay has on his blog on csn's website
Rasheed in Green.
By Gary Tanguay
Monday, June 29, 2009 at 5:43 pm ET
"As we told you last week on Sports Tonight the Celtics would love to get Rasheed Wallace to come off the bench this year. As we grow closer to the post July 1st NBA free agent signing period the chances of Rasheed wearing green this coming season are very good.
He is good friends with Keving Garnett and he has a great interest in coming here.
My gut tells me Rasheed Wallace will be come a Celtic soon."
I just dont trust Tanguay but I hope he's right.
Hahahahaha so all of this commotion is based on his gut.
Screw that guy, he knows nothing.
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Unlike other GM's, Danny doesn't come off as the type of GM that would try to negotiate before July 1st. I'm sure most GM's do, but Danny seems like a straight laced by the rules guy. I remember a few years they video taped Toronto's draft war room and their GM called Danny to ask about Marcus Williams and Danny seemed to think it was unethical to only share info with Toronto. i think many GM's and FA's are negotiating now, but Danny will wait until July 1st.
Danny just today said there were different types of free agents. August 15th free agents, August 1st free agents and July 1st free agents.
How could he say there were July 1st free agents and not be a guy that doesn't whisper through people to other people who might happen to mention to Rasheed Wallace's agent that the C's might be willing to do a 2 year full MLE for Sheed?
Personally I think the Celtics sign someone, maybe Rasheed, less than ten minutes after the free agency period opens.
I think Danny works hard and will be prepared come July 1st, but I don't see him negotiating a deal (like the Clippers did with Baron Davis) prior to July 1st. I'd be shocked if the Celtics sign someone by 12:10 AM on Wednesday, but if they do you have permission to rub it in.
I totally disagree. Danny seems pretty slippery to me. I wouldn't put anything past him..
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shaq and wallace are comin off the bench for cleveland
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I'd love everything about this. Gasol having to deal with Wallace/Perkins/Garnett throughout a game would be severely held in check.
Love the sound of it, get it done Danny!
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wait. that's it?!! his gut? that's all this was based on????
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This Deal would be HUGE i too would love everthing about this although it prolly means we will lose either Bib Baby or Leon..
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Why would he come to Boston to come off the bench when he can go start for Orlando or SAS?
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This Deal would be HUGE i too would love everthing about this although it prolly means we will lose either Bib Baby or Leon..
It's great news...and you said "Bib Baby"...huh huh.
We will shred the all time team record for T's.
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My gut's telling me I shouldn't have gone for thirds on my mother-in-law's seafood casserole.
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My gut's telling me I shouldn't have gone for thirds on my mother-in-law's seafood casserole.
I think going for thirds on anyone's seafood casserole might be ill advised...also on the ill advised list should be believing Tanguay without other reports and/or sources to verify.
I'm not holding my breath...for long.
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My gut's telling me I shouldn't have gone for thirds on my mother-in-law's seafood casserole.
I think going for thirds on anyone's seafood casserole might be ill advised
But it was GOOD!
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This Deal would be HUGE i too would love everthing about this although it prolly means we will lose either Bib Baby or Leon..
It's great news...and you said "Bib Baby"...huh huh.
We will shred the all time team record for T's.
Haha oops My bad man,Yea we will Sheed is a Beast Tho he Can Post up Hit the three spread the offense out i really hope Gary is right im watching at 10..
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My gut's telling me I shouldn't have gone for thirds on my mother-in-law's seafood casserole.
I think going for thirds on anyone's seafood casserole might be ill advised
But it was GOOD!
Would a little Sheed be too much for dessert? :-X
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Why would he come to Boston to come off the bench when he can go start for Orlando or SAS?
cleveland is gettin rid of joe smith and sum scrubs for wallace..he aint comin to boston...
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This Deal would be HUGE i too would love everthing about this although it prolly means we will lose either Bib Baby or Leon..
It's great news...and you said "Bib Baby"...huh huh.
We will shred the all time team record for T's.
Haha oops My bad man,Yea we will Sheed is a Beast Tho he Can Post up Hit the three spread the offense out i really hope Gary is right im watching at 10..
welcome to cb.
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This Deal would be HUGE i too would love everthing about this although it prolly means we will lose either Bib Baby or Leon..
It's great news...and you said "Bib Baby"...huh huh.
We will shred the all time team record for T's.
Haha oops My bad man,Yea we will Sheed is a Beast Tho he Can Post up Hit the three spread the offense out i really hope Gary is right im watching at 10..
welcome to cb.
Thx Man Im Phil Btw nice too meet my Fellow Celts Fans I bleed Green so i cant wait till Free Agency Starts im just Glad Rondo is Still here he and Pierce are My favorite Celts love Perk too tho..
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I actually like Rasheed (it comes from the days when I lived in Portland, and the Trailblazers were my team when not rooting for the Celtics).
But I find it hard to believe he comes here.
And this only compounds that belief: My gut tells me Rasheed Wallace will be come a Celtic soon.
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I hope this rumor is not true.
- 35 yeras old (We are always older, older, older and older)
- Bad 2008/2009 statistics: 6,5 pts in playoff
- Injury prone: 66 games played last year, missed 16
- Full MLE for sheed? It's a wrong move
We are getting older, and older, and older, and...
So what equivelent talented player will you be signing for the MLE then?
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The Refs are gonna love us!! ;)
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TP for sarcasm and making me laugh out loud!
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This. Is. Fricking. AWESOME
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This. Is. Fricking. AWESOME
Haha i take it you do not like Lebron??
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The ball don't lie...but Tanguay does
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The ball don't lie...but Tanguay does
I like Felger more anyways he is more interesting to watch the guy is funny..
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The ball don't lie...but Tanguay does
I like Felger more anyways he is more interesting to watch the guy is funny..
they are both losers, give me tommy and mike and that's it
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The ball don't lie...but Tanguay does
I like Felger more anyways he is more interesting to watch the guy is funny..
they are both losers, give me tommy and mike and that's it
Ya Mike and Tommy Rule we all know that..
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Tanguay just teased it again on a comercial for the 10pm eddittion. If it's just his speculation he's gonna come off so bad.
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I find when I'm looking for credible celtic trade info I turn to CelticThug ;)
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Tanguay just teased it again on a comercial for the 10pm eddittion. If it's just his speculation he's gonna come off so bad.
Yeah, it will tarnish his sparkling reputation.
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Has Gary's gut come through before?
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Sounds like he's positive.
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I just don't know what to think. He may have a very good source, and he just can't say it. But he seems so confident.
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I think it is a long shot for rasheed to come!
Orlando can offer more money and pt... and they can offer a chance at the title as well...
it will be hard for rasheed to turn that down and come to boston to back up perkins...
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Orlando can't offer more $ than us, nor are their tittle chances better.
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Orlando can't offer more $ than us, nor are their tittle chances better.
exactly, that, and we have KG, and a coach that guys like to play for. Orlando has the opposite kind of coach
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Tanguay seems pretty positive!
Sheed is on his way to Boston now?!?!?!?!?!?
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Have I mentioned that I can't stand Gary Tanguay. He is absolutely shameless. He did everything but cite the guy at the deli. He wouldn't even answer the question of whether he had a source or not. Total BS.
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He Sounds Very Confident..Hope He is Right.
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Have I mentioned that I can't stand Gary Tanguay. He is absolutely shameless. He did everything but cite the guy at the deli. He wouldn't even answer the question of whether he had a source or not. Total BS.
maybe he can't say that he has a legit source or else the celtics get in trouble for breaking the rules
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Have I mentioned that I can't stand Gary Tanguay. He is absolutely shameless. He did everything but cite the guy at the deli. He wouldn't even answer the question of whether he had a source or not. Total BS.
maybe he can't say that he has a legit source or else the celtics get in trouble for breaking the rules
Its possible, but after watching him for years, I feel pretty positive, he is throwing it against the wall, so people will talk about him, and so he can say he broke it if it happens, and since he knows if it doesn't happen, his credibility can't get much worse anyways. You could tell even Felger was trying not to break out laughing.
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sheed coming to boston?!?!?! wowza
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If this is true...IN THE GARDEN WE WON'T HAVE A TALK SHOW...WE'LL HAVE A REALLY GOOD TRASHHHH TALKKK
I'll love that words after a block: let's go mother.....
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Well I hope this is for real.
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Tanguay's full of hot air....
That said, if we get Sheed I can't wait to make a signature that says:
THE BALL DON'T LIE!
...and then yell that every time somebody on the other team misses a free throw.
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Sheed would be a great move. He will turn 35 before the start of the season, which isn't that old, considering he would be the oldest guy on our team. 6'10 and can hit the three. He still has probably 2 good years left in the tank.
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hate this possible signing.. guy is a bum
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Sheed would be a great move. He will turn 35 before the start of the season, which isn't that old, considering he would be the oldest guy on our team. 6'10 and can hit the three. He still has probably 2 good years left in the tank.
Yeah, 35 is really old but on the other hand Rasheed has the perfect body and kind of game to last into his late 30's. He's just the right height and he can shoot.
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I wonder how long until this turns into a "legitimate" rumor. You know the type that shows up in newspaper quoting and "unnamed" source. I do hope Tanguay's right, but i'm not putting any stock in this.
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You know given how this thread started and went, I'm glad my internet was still off. I'd have gotten a bit excited for nothing.
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My gut's telling me I shouldn't have gone for thirds on my mother-in-law's seafood casserole.
I think going for thirds on anyone's seafood casserole might be ill advised
But it was GOOD!
Would a little Sheed be too much for dessert? :-X
Now that I've digested a bit, I might have some dessert after all. Though I'd prefer some McD-ICE Cream...sorry, that's a stretch of a pun.
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Dont worry, Perk's bum shoulder will take care of Sheed's playing time. I wish that shoulder just stayed well, but usually when there is a recurrence of the shoulder popping out, that means they didnt give it enough time for it to mend the first time.
Usually that happens in sport; not enough time to mend;I went thru that experience myself and I made sure my shoulder mended 100%. Now I can play Chess, Dominoes, Bridge, Monopoly, Sorry, Easy Money, Scrabble, Parchesse,Canasta and Hi-Low and/or In-Between, and it hasnt bothered me since. My forecast; Sheed will end up playing more time that he wishes: if, if, if, he makes it over here in the first place, lolol I continue playing Chinese Checkers, but only once a week.
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As if we don't have enough trash talking already, let's add the guy that swears at camera men!
Really though, I'd still rather have Gortat.
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I think Sheed is heading to Boston, there is no way a reporter says all this if he is not sure about it.
I personally dislike Sheed, as much as I dislike the rest of the Pistons. That said, if this is finally happening then I suppose that:
1. We are offering him the full MLE
2. That leaves us with the LLE (Dahntay Jones?)
3. Kidd will not be coming here (for the vet minimum, in Boston (wife beater chants, anyone?) and to backup Rondo??)
4. As an answer to #3, Marbury could be on his way back to Beantown?
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By the way, Sheed in green would be great, it's the perfect guy to hate for the rest of the league. I wonder what Perk may be thinking, he had some words with Sheed in the past (as he had with KG) :D
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I think Sheed is heading to Boston, there is no way a reporter says all this if he is not sure about it.
Might be giving Tanguay too much credit calling him a reporter.
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By the way, Sheed in green would be great, it's the perfect guy to hate for the rest of the league. I wonder what Perk may be thinking, he had some words with Sheed in the past (as he had with KG) :D
It would take a truly petty individual to hold a grudge over words exchanged while playing a heated basketball game.
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I don't know if I am mixing memories, but I thought Sheed said something disrespectful about Perk before the 2007/08 in the media. Then Perk had a great series against the Pistons in the playoffs.
In any case, I'm just saying that Perk will have a chance to know Sheed better soon ;D
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I hope this rumor is not true.
- 35 yeras old (We are always older, older, older and older)
- Bad 2008/2009 statistics: 6,5 pts in playoff
- Injury prone: 66 games played last year, missed 16
- Full MLE for sheed? It's a wrong move
We are getting older, and older, and older, and...
So what equivelent talented player will you be signing for the MLE then?
We already have enough talent on this team. What we need is the right pieces around our talent. Marbury has a lot of talent, but he played like crap (except for 5 minutes in the playoffs, where he was good, offensively). You need a completely different mind-set as a role-player than as the star of your team, and considering Rasheedīs play in the last 2 1/2 years, I seriously doubt his ability to adjust.
Sheed is done. If our big three would be 3 years younger, or if Wallace would be three years younger, Iīd love this move. But they arenīt.
There are ~1000 big men in europe who can hit the three. I bet most of them are more athletic than a 35-year-old Wallace, and many of them would kill to be the backup on the Celtics.
I am completely opposed to the Sheed idea, and Iīm one of the guys who really likes his personality. You canīt see our team or Sheed in a vacuum, this is about synergy effects. Even if he could be half the player he was three years ago: weīre talking about a 35-year-old former all-star backing up a 32-year old all-star coming off injury and a 25-year old Center with a history of shoulder issues.
It is not true that we were "too young" after KG went down, no matter what Doc says.
Walker, Giddens and Pruitt didnīt play. Our rotation was Perk, Baby, Pierce, Ray, Rondo, Marbury, House, Moore, Scal. 6 out of 9 were over 30, Perk played 6 years in the NBA! And Doc says we have a "lack of leadership"? Ridiculous. If thereīs anyone to blame for a lack of leadership, itīs Doc.
This team isnīt too young, it is too old. Adding Sheed and maybe even Hill is insane.
I want a seasoned vet on the bench as well, but he should be 28-31, not beyond 35.
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I hope this rumor is not true.
- 35 yeras old (We are always older, older, older and older)
- Bad 2008/2009 statistics: 6,5 pts in playoff
- Injury prone: 66 games played last year, missed 16
- Full MLE for sheed? It's a wrong move
We are getting older, and older, and older, and...
So what equivelent talented player will you be signing for the MLE then?
Not the same talent of course, but Wallace was a beast in the past not today: if we need a solid player who can come off the bench i'd prefer Gortat: 25 years old.
Don't you like Gortat? Maybe Charlie Villanueva is better, David Lee? Why don't we use full MLE trying to sign player like Ariza, Odom, Artest...
Anyway: as i said before, i'll definitely try a shot at Mehmet Okur. Sign and trade along with Korver with Ray. Just try Danny!
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We already have enough talent on this team. What we need is the right pieces around our talent. Marbury has a lot of talent, but he played like crap (except for 5 minutes in the playoffs, where he was good, offensively). You need a completely different mind-set as a role-player than as the star of your team, and considering Rasheedīs play in the last 2 1/2 years, I seriously doubt his ability to adjust.
Sheed is done. If our big three would be 3 years younger, or if Wallace would be three years younger, Iīd love this move. But they arenīt.
There are ~1000 big men in europe who can hit the three. I bet most of them are more athletic than a 35-year-old Wallace, and many of them would kill to be the backup on the Celtics.
I am completely opposed to the Sheed idea, and Iīm one of the guys who really likes his personality. You canīt see our team or Sheed in a vacuum, this is about synergy effects. Even if he could be half the player he was three years ago: weīre talking about a 35-year-old former all-star backing up a 32-year old all-star coming off injury and a 25-year old Center with a history of shoulder issues.
It is not true that we were "too young" after KG went down, no matter what Doc says.
Walker, Giddens and Pruitt didnīt play. Our rotation was Perk, Baby, Pierce, Ray, Rondo, Marbury, House, Moore, Scal. 6 out of 9 were over 30, Perk played 6 years in the NBA! And Doc says we have a "lack of leadership"? Ridiculous. If thereīs anyone to blame for a lack of leadership, itīs Doc.
This team isnīt too young, it is too old. Adding Sheed and maybe even Hill is insane.
I want a seasoned vet on the bench as well, but he should be 28-31, not beyond 35.
I disagree. Last year we were too young for a championship team. A contender just can`t have 4 projects on the roster like we had in Pruitt, Giddens, Walker, POB. That is suicide!
We need 3 really good veteran players on the bench and Sheed brings everything we need. Length, shooting, defense! He is a perfect fit! Even at 35 he still has a lot to give especially in a new situation. He looked bad in DET last season because he wanted out! Here he would be motivated and would be a different player!
Hill is another player who would help us immensely. He had a terrific season in PHO last year! Watching him I couldn`t believe he still is this good...
Would it be better to get good players who are a few years younger? Sure, but there just aren`t many available. Who is a better option than Rasheed for us?
We will still have Wlaker, Giddens, Pruitt (or Hudson) returning and that is more than enough young players...
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I disagree. Last year we were too young for a championship team. A contender just can`t have 4 projects on the roster like we had in Pruitt, Giddens, Walker, POB. That is suicide!
We need 3 really good veteran players on the bench and Sheed brings everything we need. Length, shooting, defense! He is a perfect fit! Even at 35 he still has a lot to give especially in a new situation. He looked bad in DET last season because he wanted out! Here he would be motivated and would be a different player!
Hill is another player who would help us immensely. He had a terrific season in PHO last year! Watching him I couldn`t believe he still is this good...
Would it be better to get good players who are a few years younger? Sure, but there just aren`t many available. Who is a better option than Rasheed for us?
We will still have Wlaker, Giddens, Pruitt (or Hudson) returning and that is more than enough young players...
Young doesnīt necessarily mean "project". Rondo and Perk are/were also young, but theyīre good enough to contribute to a contender.
The thing is, Walker, Giddens or Pruitt were never asked to produce in the playoffs. They were not part of our playoff-rotation, so to say they were too young for a championship team is a bogus argument. Iīve listed our 9-men-rotation, 6 guys are over 30.
We are too old, not too young.
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I just think we need quality, no matter what age...
Young doesn`t necessarily mean better. We need players that can help us win now!
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I disagree. Last year we were too young for a championship team. A contender just can`t have 4 projects on the roster like we had in Pruitt, Giddens, Walker, POB. That is suicide!
We need 3 really good veteran players on the bench and Sheed brings everything we need. Length, shooting, defense! He is a perfect fit! Even at 35 he still has a lot to give especially in a new situation. He looked bad in DET last season because he wanted out! Here he would be motivated and would be a different player!
Hill is another player who would help us immensely. He had a terrific season in PHO last year! Watching him I couldn`t believe he still is this good...
Would it be better to get good players who are a few years younger? Sure, but there just aren`t many available. Who is a better option than Rasheed for us?
We will still have Wlaker, Giddens, Pruitt (or Hudson) returning and that is more than enough young players...
Young doesnīt necessarily mean "project". Rondo and Perk are/were also young, but theyīre good enough to contribute to a contender.
The thing is, Walker, Giddens or Pruitt were never asked to produce in the playoffs. They were not part of our playoff-rotation, so to say they were too young for a championship team is a bogus argument. Iīve listed our 9-men-rotation, 6 guys are over 30.
We are too old, not too young.
I am curious as to what your list of young talent that aren't projects are, cuz i just don't see a whole lot of options out there that we can afford this off season. If they're projects, then they come cheap but don't have much to offer us. If they're proven young players, they'll be looking for lengthy, expensive contracts (ben gordon, milsap, etc.).
i would have said "lets wait and see what happens" last year, but we all saw where that got us...we missed out on every good name available. I say, if he wants to play for us, send him an offer ASAP and get this done. Sheed off the bench would be better than Detroit using him in the starting rotation...he'd last a lot longer into the year playing less minutes, and we'd get just what we need. i'm not a huge fan of his offensive game, but he'd be a good defender for our defensive schemes, and i think him and KG being around each other would fuel an unstoppable fire.
Worst case scenario, at least we'll have someone else besides Perk to draw technicals!
our potential bench this year:
Sheed
Baby
FA/Scal
FA (Dahntay Jones?)/Eddie
Marbury
I'm not complaining about that bench at all...beats most benches in the league, and beats LA's joke of a bench this past year, IMO
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Though I was pulling for McDyess, since I thought that Wallace would want too much money and might be too much of a gamble coming off the bench, it's hard to deny that his immense talent is tantalizing. He almost makes Davis's return fairly irrelevant, as come playoff time, he could play all the backup minutes at the 4 and 5.
If he wants to come here for the MLE, I'd give it to him, but keep the years to a max of 3. Then Danny can dedicate all his time and energy to getting someone like Grant Hill here for the LLE.
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I disagree. Last year we were too young for a championship team. A contender just can`t have 4 projects on the roster like we had in Pruitt, Giddens, Walker, POB. That is suicide!
We need 3 really good veteran players on the bench and Sheed brings everything we need. Length, shooting, defense! He is a perfect fit! Even at 35 he still has a lot to give especially in a new situation. He looked bad in DET last season because he wanted out! Here he would be motivated and would be a different player!
Hill is another player who would help us immensely. He had a terrific season in PHO last year! Watching him I couldn`t believe he still is this good...
Would it be better to get good players who are a few years younger? Sure, but there just aren`t many available. Who is a better option than Rasheed for us?
We will still have Wlaker, Giddens, Pruitt (or Hudson) returning and that is more than enough young players...
Young doesnīt necessarily mean "project". Rondo and Perk are/were also young, but theyīre good enough to contribute to a contender.
The thing is, Walker, Giddens or Pruitt were never asked to produce in the playoffs. They were not part of our playoff-rotation, so to say they were too young for a championship team is a bogus argument. Iīve listed our 9-men-rotation, 6 guys are over 30.
We are too old, not too young.
I think there's likely a very good practice-related reason why Walker, Giddens and Pruitt never got any playoff burn. One of the big misconceptions on this board is that because "we" have never seen them in action, the collective "we" doesn't know what they can do. Not true. "We" don't matter. Doc and his staff are what matters.
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I think Casperian's claim we are too old is bogus. Sorry Casp.
The Big Three, Mikki, Marbury, Scal and Eddie were all older than 30 but after the Big Three there's no guarantee that any of those guys will be back. Eddie could opt out, Scal could be traded, and Marbury and Moore are already not our property. That leaves:
Walker - 21
Rondo - 23
Pruitt - 23
Davis - 23
Giddens - 23
Perkins - 24
Powe - 25
Allen - 27
That's pretty [dang] young.
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Agreed, Nick. This team was FAR too young last year after Garnett and Powe went down.
Too many projects and suspects, also.
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I disagree. Last year we were too young for a championship team. A contender just can`t have 4 projects on the roster like we had in Pruitt, Giddens, Walker, POB. That is suicide!
We need 3 really good veteran players on the bench and Sheed brings everything we need. Length, shooting, defense! He is a perfect fit! Even at 35 he still has a lot to give especially in a new situation. He looked bad in DET last season because he wanted out! Here he would be motivated and would be a different player!
Hill is another player who would help us immensely. He had a terrific season in PHO last year! Watching him I couldn`t believe he still is this good...
Would it be better to get good players who are a few years younger? Sure, but there just aren`t many available. Who is a better option than Rasheed for us?
We will still have Wlaker, Giddens, Pruitt (or Hudson) returning and that is more than enough young players...
Young doesnīt necessarily mean "project". Rondo and Perk are/were also young, but theyīre good enough to contribute to a contender.
The thing is, Walker, Giddens or Pruitt were never asked to produce in the playoffs. They were not part of our playoff-rotation, so to say they were too young for a championship team is a bogus argument. Iīve listed our 9-men-rotation, 6 guys are over 30.
We are too old, not too young.
I am curious as to what your list of young talent that aren't projects are, cuz i just don't see a whole lot of options out there that we can afford this off season. If they're projects, then they come cheap but don't have much to offer us. If they're proven young players, they'll be looking for lengthy, expensive contracts (ben gordon, milsap, etc.).
As I said, I also want veteran players, but they should be 28-31, not 35+.
There are a lot of options, from guys like Gortat or Pachulia to Brandon Bass.
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I disagree. Last year we were too young for a championship team. A contender just can`t have 4 projects on the roster like we had in Pruitt, Giddens, Walker, POB. That is suicide!
We need 3 really good veteran players on the bench and Sheed brings everything we need. Length, shooting, defense! He is a perfect fit! Even at 35 he still has a lot to give especially in a new situation. He looked bad in DET last season because he wanted out! Here he would be motivated and would be a different player!
Hill is another player who would help us immensely. He had a terrific season in PHO last year! Watching him I couldn`t believe he still is this good...
Would it be better to get good players who are a few years younger? Sure, but there just aren`t many available. Who is a better option than Rasheed for us?
We will still have Wlaker, Giddens, Pruitt (or Hudson) returning and that is more than enough young players...
Young doesnīt necessarily mean "project". Rondo and Perk are/were also young, but theyīre good enough to contribute to a contender.
The thing is, Walker, Giddens or Pruitt were never asked to produce in the playoffs. They were not part of our playoff-rotation, so to say they were too young for a championship team is a bogus argument. Iīve listed our 9-men-rotation, 6 guys are over 30.
We are too old, not too young.
I think there's likely a very good practice-related reason why Walker, Giddens and Pruitt never got any playoff burn. One of the big misconceptions on this board is that because "we" have never seen them in action, the collective "we" doesn't know what they can do. Not true. "We" don't matter. Doc and his staff are what matters.
Of course there are always reasons, and even if they're understandable reasons, it doesn't make them the right decisions. I could have good reasons to kill a man, but that doesn't mean I did the right thing by killing him... know what I mean?
I can see why Doc didn't play them because he didn't trust them, etc. Completely understandable, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have been productive and give some decent minute out there if given the opportunity, more importantly if they were given the chance to play more minutes during the season (Walker in particular that was with the team through quite an extensive time, plenty of time to get him into some sort of playing rhythm).
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I think Casperian's claim we are too old is bogus. Sorry Casp.
The Big Three, Mikki, Marbury, Scal and Eddie were all older than 30 but after the Big Three there's no guarantee that any of those guys will be back. Eddie could opt out, Scal could be traded, and Marbury and Moore are already not our property. That leaves:
Walker - 21
Rondo - 23
Pruitt - 23
Davis - 23
Giddens - 23
Perkins - 24
Powe - 25
Allen - 27
That's pretty [dang] young.
You forgot Semih Erden, who is also pretty young.
Walker, Giddens and Pruitt are part of the Boston Celtics development team, not of the Boston Celtics championship team. They spent most of their time in the D-League, they were never an option for our playoff-rotation.
Some people act as if our sole hope in the playoffs was a triple-double by Gabe Pruitt, and thatīs why we didnīt win a championship. What does a guy who never plays has to do with our average age? If you solely take our rotation, we are clearly an "old" team as it is.
Do people think that because Walker was so young, he somehow influenced Scal and Pierce to play bad? Was J.R. Giddens the reason why Ray Allen played like crap against Orlando? Is it Pruittīs fault that we had to go 7 games against athletic teams like Atlanta and Chicago?
What does their age have to do with our team? They donīt play.
Sheed will play. His age IS relevant.
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I disagree. Last year we were too young for a championship team. A contender just can`t have 4 projects on the roster like we had in Pruitt, Giddens, Walker, POB. That is suicide!
We need 3 really good veteran players on the bench and Sheed brings everything we need. Length, shooting, defense! He is a perfect fit! Even at 35 he still has a lot to give especially in a new situation. He looked bad in DET last season because he wanted out! Here he would be motivated and would be a different player!
Hill is another player who would help us immensely. He had a terrific season in PHO last year! Watching him I couldn`t believe he still is this good...
Would it be better to get good players who are a few years younger? Sure, but there just aren`t many available. Who is a better option than Rasheed for us?
We will still have Wlaker, Giddens, Pruitt (or Hudson) returning and that is more than enough young players...
Young doesnīt necessarily mean "project". Rondo and Perk are/were also young, but theyīre good enough to contribute to a contender.
The thing is, Walker, Giddens or Pruitt were never asked to produce in the playoffs. They were not part of our playoff-rotation, so to say they were too young for a championship team is a bogus argument. Iīve listed our 9-men-rotation, 6 guys are over 30.
We are too old, not too young.
I think there's likely a very good practice-related reason why Walker, Giddens and Pruitt never got any playoff burn. One of the big misconceptions on this board is that because "we" have never seen them in action, the collective "we" doesn't know what they can do. Not true. "We" don't matter. Doc and his staff are what matters.
I wonder if those three even get time on the floor during practice games.
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i remember when we traded big al for kg, and everyone was up in arms about how we were "too old" and we "traded away our future". i loved al and the gang, but that "future" went on an 18 game losing streak, and have yet to prove that they can stay healthy and win games.
that said, we brought in kg anyways and won it all. we didn't just win because of KG's greatness...we won because of the people that signed on with us for cheap once we showed we were serious about winning it all (posey, house, PJ). if we do pick up sheed, we won't just be getting him, we will also be getting the confidence of FA's such as Grant Hill and Dahntay Jones that we are serious about winning it all right now, and not just trying to stay relatively competitive and save money like so many franchises are.
I guess Posey, PJ and Cassell were "too old" too...oh wait, that's right, we DID win banner 17 with a bunch of old farts haha ;)
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I think Casperian's claim we are too old is bogus. Sorry Casp.
The Big Three, Mikki, Marbury, Scal and Eddie were all older than 30 but after the Big Three there's no guarantee that any of those guys will be back. Eddie could opt out, Scal could be traded, and Marbury and Moore are already not our property. That leaves:
Walker - 21
Rondo - 23
Pruitt - 23
Davis - 23
Giddens - 23
Perkins - 24
Powe - 25
Allen - 27
That's pretty [dang] young.
You forgot Semih Erden, who is also pretty young.
Walker, Giddens and Pruitt are part of the Boston Celtics developement team, not of the Boston Celtics championship team. They spent most of their time in the D-League, they were never an option for our playoff-rotation.
Some people act as if our sole hope in the playoffs was a triple-double by Gabe Pruitt, and thatīs why we didnīt win a championship. What do the skills of a guy who never plays have to do with our average age? If you solely take our rotation, we are clearly an "old" team as it is.
Do people think that because Walker was so young, he somehow influenced Scal and Pierce to play bad? Was J.R. Giddens the reason why Ray Allen played like crap against Orlando? Is it Pruittīs fault that we had to go 7 games against athletic teams like Atlanta and Chicago?
What does their age have to do with our team? They donīt play.
Sheed will play. His age IS relevant.
It wasn't those kids' faults that danny and co. filled up 4 of our 15 vauluable roster spots with kids who should probably still be in college or overseas...however, they did, and when injuries came, we had no legit backups for anyone. we never had a valid backup for pierce this season, even from the start, because we were too busy trying to nurture infant billy skywalker. we're in win now mode, folks, and stocking up a team with kids is not the way to do it.
as for the gortat and pachulia ideas, they're both decent players and i see what you're saying, but they will both demand at least the full MLE (probably more, as gortat is looking at good money in NY), and i personally don't feel that either player is worth that much. once again, let's keep in mind the power that getting a proven veteran winner like sheed gives us...it gives us great ability to negotiate with FA's out there who are looking for a place to make a final championship run.
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Agreed, Nick. This team was FAR too young last year after Garnett and Powe went down.
Too many projects and suspects, also.
Thatīs why I said not every young player is a project.
I agree with the general premise, too many projects and suspects. But that has nothing to do with age.
A project is labeled as a project because his level of play isnīt where you want it to be. Youīll have to invest time and work to get his game to a point where he can contribute. Under this premise, Moore and Marbury, who didnīt play in 2 years, were "projects", too. Pachulia or Gortat are also young, but theyīre at a level were you can expect them to produce. They arenīt projects, they are legit players with upside.
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It wasn't those kids' faults that danny and co. filled up 4 of our 15 vauluable roster spots with kids who should probably still be in college or overseas...however, they did, and when injuries came, we had no legit backups for anyone. we never had a valid backup for pierce this season, even from the start, because we were too busy trying to nurture infant billy skywalker. we're in win now mode, folks, and stocking up a team with kids is not the way to do it.
as for the gortat and pachulia ideas, they're both decent players and i see what you're saying, but they will both demand at least the full MLE (probably more, as gortat is looking at good money in NY), and i personally don't feel that either player is worth that much. once again, let's keep in mind the power that getting a proven veteran winner like sheed gives us...it gives us great ability to negotiate with FA's out there who are looking for a place to make a final championship run.
So, what was the problem? Age or depth? Or both?
We had a 9-men-rotation, which imo is enough for the playoffs, and as I said, 6 of these guys were over 30, and Perk has 6 years of NBA experience. The truth is, it was neither age or depth why our bench sucked, it was the quality of our rotation and their one-dimensional skill-sets.
Believe me, I understand the "win now" mode. I already annoyed enough people with my plea for a Posey-extension over the course of the last year. I donīt want young players. Iīm not looking beyond next season. I want proven role-players who know their role and can produce. 35+ former all-star Rasheed Wallace doesnīt fit that description.
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It wasn't those kids' faults that danny and co. filled up 4 of our 15 vauluable roster spots with kids who should probably still be in college or overseas...however, they did, and when injuries came, we had no legit backups for anyone. we never had a valid backup for pierce this season, even from the start, because we were too busy trying to nurture infant billy skywalker. we're in win now mode, folks, and stocking up a team with kids is not the way to do it.
as for the gortat and pachulia ideas, they're both decent players and i see what you're saying, but they will both demand at least the full MLE (probably more, as gortat is looking at good money in NY), and i personally don't feel that either player is worth that much. once again, let's keep in mind the power that getting a proven veteran winner like sheed gives us...it gives us great ability to negotiate with FA's out there who are looking for a place to make a final championship run.
So, what was the problem? Age or depth? Or both?
We had a 9-men-rotation, which imo is enough for the playoffs, and as I said, 6 of these guys were over 30, and Perk has 6 years of NBA experience. The truth is, it was neither age or depth why our bench sucked, it was the quality of our rotation and their one-dimensional skill-sets.
Believe me, I understand the "win now" mode. I already annoyed enough people with my plea for a Posey-extension over the course of the last year. I donīt want young players. Iīm not looking beyond next season. I want proven role-players who know their role and can produce. 35+ former all-star Rasheed Wallace doesnīt fit that description.
Age affected our depth, so both. A 9 man rotation is great for the playoffs, if you actually have guys with skill sets. Miki Moore does not fit this description. PJ Brown did. Let me remind you, if it wasn't for PJ Brown's jumpshot against the cavs, there would be no banner 17. The "old fart" brought just what we needed to the table when we needed it, and that's what sheed will do. he's a defensive minded big man with a jumpshot, his career is not over yet by any means. he just needs a good veteran team where he can come off the bench and contribute in fewer minutes.
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I hope this rumor is not true.
- 35 yeras old (We are always older, older, older and older)
- Bad 2008/2009 statistics: 6,5 pts in playoff
- Injury prone: 66 games played last year, missed 16
- Full MLE for sheed? It's a wrong move
We are getting older, and older, and older, and...
So what equivelent talented player will you be signing for the MLE then?
We already have enough talent on this team. What we need is the right pieces around our talent. Marbury has a lot of talent, but he played like crap (except for 5 minutes in the playoffs, where he was good, offensively). You need a completely different mind-set as a role-player than as the star of your team, and considering Rasheedīs play in the last 2 1/2 years, I seriously doubt his ability to adjust.
Sheed is done. If our big three would be 3 years younger, or if Wallace would be three years younger, Iīd love this move. But they arenīt.
There are ~1000 big men in europe who can hit the three. I bet most of them are more athletic than a 35-year-old Wallace, and many of them would kill to be the backup on the Celtics.
I am completely opposed to the Sheed idea, and Iīm one of the guys who really likes his personality. You canīt see our team or Sheed in a vacuum, this is about synergy effects. Even if he could be half the player he was three years ago: weīre talking about a 35-year-old former all-star backing up a 32-year old all-star coming off injury and a 25-year old Center with a history of shoulder issues.
It is not true that we were "too young" after KG went down, no matter what Doc says.
Walker, Giddens and Pruitt didnīt play. Our rotation was Perk, Baby, Pierce, Ray, Rondo, Marbury, House, Moore, Scal. 6 out of 9 were over 30, Perk played 6 years in the NBA! And Doc says we have a "lack of leadership"? Ridiculous. If thereīs anyone to blame for a lack of leadership, itīs Doc.
This team isnīt too young, it is too old. Adding Sheed and maybe even Hill is insane.
I want a seasoned vet on the bench as well, but he should be 28-31, not beyond 35.
I've debating us getting too old also, and know that being young, mobile, and athletic has been one of our biggest previous weeknesses. (see playoffs: atlanta, chicago)
However, after giving it some thought, i believe this would be an excellent move for the celts. This move just gives doc another talented option to play with matchups.
Wallace has the ability to play two positions and the body to defend both. But more importantly, his skillset allows us a great advantage on offense as he differs greatly from perk in his ability to spread the floor with an excellent 3 point shot or post smaller defenders. I believe this will be a great asset when you think about our biggest challenges in the east. (when playing Shaq, Howard, B Wallace) These guys are unable to guard wallace as he will draw them away from the basket.
How do these teams matchup with a KG/Wallace Lineup? Who do you put howard or shaq/Big Z on?
To address the mobility loss on D, how mobile does he need to be to replace perk? No disrespect to perk, but his quickness is very good for a center, and his experience would more than make up for anthing he is lacking in that department.
I'm really excited for this move if it holds to be true. Using the full MLE on Wallace makes more sense than any other position when you look at the abundance of available quality SF Free agents out there.
Couple a FA SF signing with the resigning of marbury and i really like our chances. My biggest concern would then be resigning BBD.
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Age affected our depth, so both. A 9 man rotation is great for the playoffs, if you actually have guys with skill sets. Miki Moore does not fit this description. PJ Brown did. Let me remind you, if it wasn't for PJ Brown's jumpshot against the cavs, there would be no banner 17. The "old fart" brought just what we needed to the table when we needed it, and that's what sheed will do. he's a defensive minded big man with a jumpshot, his career is not over yet by any means. he just needs a good veteran team where he can come off the bench and contribute in fewer minutes.
Iīd say the contracts of the big three affect our depth much more than age.
I think it is obvious that Danny filled spots 12-15 with young players who could develop, because he wants them to learn and maybe produce in the future, and since they would never play in the playoffs under normal circumstances anyway, any older player would be a waste of a roster spot. So, with that in mind, it is completely understandable to fill these spots with young players, imo.
But thatīs not my point.
My point is that our problem were the guys from 7-10, and how they donīt compliment our starting 5 to the point that they fill our needs. My point is that a team with an average rotation-age of 31 is simply too old, proven by the history of every sport who relies even just a bit on athleticism. It simply defies logic to put Rasheed and Hill on an aging team and expect them to play rejuvenated basketball.
Btw, P.J. Brown was exactly what I wanted back then, a proven role-player who could produce. P.J. still had game left. Sheed does not. The rest of our team was also two years younger, so it made much more sense to go for older guys.
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Tanguay better not be playing games (Which I dont see why he would). Sheed would be IDEAL off the bench for 25 minutes.
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Age affected our depth, so both. A 9 man rotation is great for the playoffs, if you actually have guys with skill sets. Miki Moore does not fit this description. PJ Brown did. Let me remind you, if it wasn't for PJ Brown's jumpshot against the cavs, there would be no banner 17. The "old fart" brought just what we needed to the table when we needed it, and that's what sheed will do. he's a defensive minded big man with a jumpshot, his career is not over yet by any means. he just needs a good veteran team where he can come off the bench and contribute in fewer minutes.
Iīd say the contracts of the big three affect our depth much more than age.
I think it is obvious that Danny filled spots 12-15 with young players who could develop, because he wants them to learn and maybe produce in the future, and since they would never play in the playoffs under normal circumstances anyway, any older player would be a waste of a roster spot. So, with that in mind, it is completely understandable to fill these spots with young players, imo.
But thatīs not my point.
My point is that our problem were the guys from 7-10, and how they donīt compliment our starting 5 to the point that they fill our needs. My point is that a team with an average rotation-age of 31 is simply too old, proven by the history of every sport who relies even just a bit on athleticism. It simply defies logic to put Rasheed and Hill on an aging team and expect them to play rejuvenated basketball.
it worked in 2008, i expect it to work now as well. you just said it yourself, your point is that players 7-10 didn't compliment our starting 5 well. How does being 31 or older have any effect on this whatsoever??
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it worked in 2008, i expect it to work now as well. you just said it yourself, your point is that players 7-10 didn't compliment our starting 5 well. How does being 31 or older have any effect on this whatsoever??
The whole team was two years younger, we had Posey who was a versatile role-player and glue-guy, and P.J. Brown was a proven role-player who knew his role and still had game left. Thatīs why it worked. Since then, KG and Powe got injured, Pierce looked gassed in the playoffs, and Ray Allen is up and down. Sheed is done, on a steady decline for 2 1/2 years now, and never played as a role-player in the last 10 years.
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it worked in 2008, i expect it to work now as well. you just said it yourself, your point is that players 7-10 didn't compliment our starting 5 well. How does being 31 or older have any effect on this whatsoever??
The whole team was two years younger, we had Posey who was a versatile role-player and glue-guy, and P.J. Brown was a proven role-player who knew his role and still had game left. Thatīs why it worked. Sheed is done, on a steady decline for 2 1/2 years now, and never played as a role-player in the last 10 years.
Where you keep losing me is at the part where you say "sheed is done". we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, because sheed's still got what it takes to contribute to a title team off the bench. all we really need at the end of the day is someone that can make an occasional shot and play D...that is not too much to ask of this guy, he can bring it.
by the way, how the heck was the team 2 years younger when this was just a year ago? also, here's an interesting link of the average age of teams...notice how the older the teams get, the more legit playoff teams you find: http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=43577
not that it neccessarily means anything, but i found it interesting
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I agree. I don't think Sheed or Hill are done.
Given they will be playing less time than they are used to playing, that means they will be able to expend a larger amount of energy in a shorter amount of time and be better than they have been recently playing larger minutes. Many vets who have to play long minutes pace themselves and might not give 10000% effort every second they are in there. But if they know they are only going to play 22 MPG instead of 27-37 MPG, they don't have to worry about pacing themselves and can exert more energy and play better in those minutes.
I don't think either is a long term solution but neither do I think that they need to be. The window is open but will be closing. If the C's want to invest in an MLE long term contract then sure, never give it to these guys, give it to the Zazaa and Gortats and Chris Andersons of the world who could be successful for years to come. But if Danny wants vets that have been there and will help most in playoff time, the McDyesses, Wallaces, and Hills of the world for short amount of years is every bit of a great option, regardless of their age.
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it worked in 2008, i expect it to work now as well. you just said it yourself, your point is that players 7-10 didn't compliment our starting 5 well. How does being 31 or older have any effect on this whatsoever??
The whole team was two years younger, we had Posey who was a versatile role-player and glue-guy, and P.J. Brown was a proven role-player who knew his role and still had game left. Thatīs why it worked. Sheed is done, on a steady decline for 2 1/2 years now, and never played as a role-player in the last 10 years.
Where you keep losing me is at the part where you say "sheed is done". we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, because sheed's still got what it takes to contribute to a title team off the bench. all we really need at the end of the day is someone that can make an occasional shot and play D...that is not too much to ask of this guy, he can bring it.
by the way, how the heck was the team 2 years younger when this was just a year ago? also, here's an interesting link of the average age of teams...notice how the older the teams get, the more legit playoff teams you find: http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=43577
not that it neccessarily means anything, but i found it interesting
Uhm, because the next playoffs are one year away?
I am pretty confident with my predictions. Sheed will be the Iceberg to this teamīs titanic if we pay the MLE for him.
But agree to disagree.
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But agree to disagree.
works for me, we'll let time be the judge of all...if tanguay's even right in the first place, which i'm not so sure of anyways haha
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BB is gone if we get Sheed. Both Sheed and KG can play 4 or 5, so look for a rotation with those two and Perk. There are 96 minutes available per game for PF and C. that means the three of them can each get in 32 minutes per game, which seems perfect regardless of who comes off the bench. Hopefully, Leon (and some fresh legs) can find his way into that mix in February or March.
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Unlike other GM's, Danny doesn't come off as the type of GM that would try to negotiate before July 1st. I'm sure most GM's do, but Danny seems like a straight laced by the rules guy. I remember a few years they video taped Toronto's draft war room and their GM called Danny to ask about Marcus Williams and Danny seemed to think it was unethical to only share info with Toronto. i think many GM's and FA's are negotiating now, but Danny will wait until July 1st.
Ainge? Ethical? Are you kidding me? You're talking about the same guy that was sitting down with Kevin and the entire Durrant family for dinner after some of his games at Texas.
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Head's up. Tanguay says he'll be talking about Sheed and new news on BBD on CSN now.
Spears will be on.
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Spears mentions Charlotte as a possibility for Sheed. Sheed is fond of Larry Brown. Spears says, "I'd actually be shocked if he didn't come (to Boston)". Spurs more interested in Dice.
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Spears: Orlando is the big threat, but thinks it will be Boston.
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again..TP for you bringing great info to us out o town
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Spears impressed by the Big 3 lobbying. Supposedly Paul and Ray also made the trip with KG (this conflicts ESPN correct?)
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i tend to believe spears if he said the big 3 made the trip. i hope this is already a done deal so the Cs can get busy on other...sheed is NOT the magic's #1 choice.
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Spears: (Sheed) is actually one of the most popular guys in the lockerroom.
Still uses a big boombox (random)
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Tons of teams after Glen Davis. Dumars really wants him. Other teams have to pay over market value to get the C's not to match.
Spears says he wouldn't be surprised if Baby is back with the C's.
Danny petitioning the league to increase the technical count resulting in automatic suspensions.
(ok the last one I made up)
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i think the celtics match baby...unless it is outrageous...
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They say anything about the Cavs or Spurs? The one thing that I still question, isn't Boston one of the only scenarios where Sheed would be coming off the bench? If another team tacks on another year and offers him a starting spot, I'd wonder if that would intrigue him more.
Other teams may try to outdo Boston and send everyone out to see him. I really hope we can get this wrapped up with him soon so we can move onto someone else. I hope it doesn't drag out while other Free Agents we are also looking at get snatched up.
Thanks for the info,
~J
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They say anything about the Cavs or Spurs? The one thing that I still question, isn't Boston one of the only scenarios where Sheed would be coming off the bench? If another team tacks on another year and offers him a starting spot, I'd wonder if that would intrigue him more.
Other teams may try to outdo Boston and send everyone out to see him. I really hope we can get this wrapped up with him soon so we can move onto someone else. I hope it doesn't drag out while other Free Agents we are also looking at get snatched up.
Thanks for the info,
~J
Didn't really say much about the Spurs or Cavs. Just said that the only team that could offer more money was Charlotte. Didn't think the Spurs would offer more years. Actually said the Spurs were going more after Dice.
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He seems to be using his gut more then his brain.
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Thanks for the info johnnyrondo. TP!
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agree, TP for JohnnyRondo.
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Tons of teams after Glen Davis. Dumars really wants him. Other teams have to pay over market value to get the C's not to match.
Spears says he wouldn't be surprised if Baby is back with the C's.
Danny petitioning the league to increase the technical count resulting in automatic suspensions.
(ok the last one I made up)
another laugh out loud comment -- MJ always did like you! :o TP