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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: laverdad34 on June 28, 2009, 11:51:45 AM
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Hi guys, According to Telam, a news agency here in my country, Fabricio Oberto is close to sign for the celtics for the next season. This news says that DA will make an very good offer to the center.
the site is: www.telam.com.ar, but i can't find the info, i read it in another site: www.pickandroll.com.ar.
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We're in contacts my friends..
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Thank you, that would be nice.
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yes, It would. With all my respect, I think the one thing that I don't like about us (DA - Owners - C.Staff) is they´re not interesed in foreigns players. I now we are very "Conservatives" in terms of thoughts, but some players worth...
Come on Fabrizio!!!
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I think that is great, if true.
It would mean that Detroit bought out Oberto (and that he is not interested in returning to the Spurs).
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Oberto just had a procedure done on his heart for an arrythmia. Not sure I would be looking to add a guy who might have a bad heart.
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I hope this is not our fa splash!!!! :P
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I hope this is not our fa splash!!!! :P
It's a start, but yes, hopefully this isn't going to be it.
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uggh. not a fan. would this have to be a portion of the MID-level?
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Oberto just had a procedure done on his heart for an arrythmia. Not sure I would be looking to add a guy who might have a bad heart.
I didn't know that. At least it means he is probably coming cheap!
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http://www.pickandroll.com.ar/noticias/nba/00014056/
This says that "sources close to the Celtics told him he was being considered".
I don't give much credit though.
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I hope this is not our fa splash!!!! :P
It's a start, but yes, hopefully this isn't going to be it.
Given that the Cs are already in luxury tax land, get used to seeing the names of Oberto, Dahntay Jones and Stephon Marbury as the FAs we target...
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I hope this is not our fa splash!!!! :P
It's a start, but yes, hopefully this isn't going to be it.
Given that the Cs are already in luxury tax land, get used to seeing the names of Oberto, Dahntay Jones and Stephon Marbury as the FAs we target...
That is why you have to trade Ray.
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oberto? if this is whom ainge is targeting to get the celtics to the championship, i am unimpressed. i am not even sure he is better than marvelous mikki.
honestly, i dont know anything about his guy. i havent watched him play. so i looked up his stats just to learn more.
born 1975. he will be 34 at the start of this season.
he is 6' 10"
his BEST year was 2007-08 when he played in 82 games and accumulated the following stats:
avg 20 minutes
4.8 pts/game
5.2 rbs/game
0.2 blks/game
2.5 fouls/game
60.8% field goal shooting
60.7% free throw shooting (career 60.3%. i told you this was his "best" year.)
and if any of us are hoping he might at least bring 3pt range to the team.... Oberto attempted, and missed, ONE 3 pointer all of last season last season.
he seems to be a basic 6' 10" stiff according to his stats.
does anyone else know anything about him?
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I have no problem with him if he signs close to the Min. He can play C. He can defend. He can be the 4th big man (resign Davis).
He fits well in the PJ Brown mode.
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For the minimum I would but otherwise I don't know.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Wtqur5xMU
For the min (or close to it)... I think he could be a really good signing.
A couple comments about him via people on youtube...
mr10tomidnight
Well Utah will never forget him.The damage he did on the glass during the 2007 playoffs with all those offensive rebounds,putbacks,lay ins.He averaged 10 points 10 rebounds in that series.He's the main reason why the Spurs went 4-1 on the Jazz
jattboypunjabi
there is no way u can say fab sucks at basketball...no one else on the spurs squad that gets open under the basket as often as he does...
In my opinion the reason he gets open down low is because he plays with Tim Duncan. Most likely playing along side KG and/or Kendrick Perkins will produce the same results.
I'm on board.
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I'm joining the Vet Minimum crowd.
Oberto was behind Bonner, Thomas, and Gooden on the Spurs depth chart but is going to be our number one back up big....?
As a fourth big that doesn't eat into the LLE or MLE, I'm cool with it, but not as our prime backup big that prevents us from grabbing someone else.
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I hope this is not our fa splash!!!! :P
It's a start, but yes, hopefully this isn't going to be it.
Given that the Cs are already in luxury tax land, get used to seeing the names of Oberto, Dahntay Jones and Stephon Marbury as the FAs we target...
That is why you have to trade Ray.
I hear you and have echoed this thought elsewhere. Financial pressures may force management to trade Ray. Danny has said before that his philosophy is to build a team through the draft and trades, not FAs.
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Has Oberto been waived yet?
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I hope this is not our fa splash!!!! :P
It's a start, but yes, hopefully this isn't going to be it.
Given that the Cs are already in luxury tax land, get used to seeing the names of Oberto, Dahntay Jones and Stephon Marbury as the FAs we target...
That is why you have to trade Ray.
I hear you and have echoed this thought elsewhere. Financial pressures may force management to trade Ray. Danny has said before that his philosophy is to build a team through the draft and trades, not FAs.
if financial considerations are the key, then the player i think they'd move is Rondo. he's the one who's due for a long contract.
Ray is coming off the books next season.
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Sign him!
"He also received an Academy Award and two Emmy nominations. Oberto is a shameless flopper who drew 33 offensive fouls last season; in his case, most of them aren't the traditional let-a-guard-run-into-you offensive foul but rather the result of hand fighting and other Jedi tricks off the ball. Oberto loves to grab an opponent's arm and then snap his head back violently when he gets a response, and officials take the bait surprisingly often. In one early-season game, he got L.A.'s Andrew Bynum so upset with this tactic that Bynum was ejected."
- John Hollinger
We could use a master-flopper on our team who can get Bynum and Howard in foul trouble early. ;D
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I hope this is not our fa splash!!!! :P
It's a start, but yes, hopefully this isn't going to be it.
Given that the Cs are already in luxury tax land, get used to seeing the names of Oberto, Dahntay Jones and Stephon Marbury as the FAs we target...
That is why you have to trade Ray.
I hear you and have echoed this thought elsewhere. Financial pressures may force management to trade Ray. Danny has said before that his philosophy is to build a team through the draft and trades, not FAs.
if financial considerations are the key, then the player i think they'd move is Rondo. he's the one who's due for a long contract.
Ray is coming off the books next season.
I think financial considerations are involved because we are dealing with a soft cap. We have no money besides the MLE and the LLE and we need a pg, sg/sf, and a pf/c. So there is two logical ways of doing this. First, you can resign Marbury (we can offer him a pay bump of 20% next season, or roughly up to $2.0 million, without having to use the MLE) then use the MLE and the LLE on a sg/sf and a pf/c. Or second, trade Ray Allen (the oldest most declining player in our starting 5 and has an expiring contract) for 2 of the 3 needs. Then the C's can use the full MLE on whatever they don't get in the trade.
The first choice, which is very popular, leaves the Celtics very old and possibly kills any chances for this team to have long term success. But it does give the Celtics a great chance to win the championship next year if none of the starting 5 get injured.
The second choice would mean playing around with great chemistry but possibly getting younger and more talented. It also could open up the window of success for many years.I think our chances of winning a championship would go down but not extremely. If the trade is done in the summer, then there is 82 games to gain chemistry.
As far as trading Rondo, I think it would be insane. The kid is 23 and will be an all-star caliber player for 10 more years. Unless someone offers a Chris Bosh, Carmello, Wade, or Lebron you politely say no to offers.
http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/6/3/896268/celtics-salary-cap-situation-and
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I think financial considerations are involved because we are dealing with a soft cap. We have no money besides the MLE and the LLE and we need a pg, sg/sf, and a pf/c. So there is two logical ways of doing this. First, you can resign Marbury (we can offer him a pay bump of 20% next season, or roughly up to $2.0 million, without having to use the MLE) then use the MLE and the LLE on a sg/sf and a pf/c. Or second, trade Ray Allen (the oldest most declining player in our starting 5 and has an expiring contract) for 2 of the 3 needs. Then the C's can use the full MLE on whatever they don't get in the trade.
The first choice, which is very popular, leaves the Celtics very old and possibly kills any chances for this team to have long term success. But it does give the Celtics a great chance to win the championship next year if none of the starting 5 get injured.
The second choice would mean playing around with great chemistry but possibly getting younger and more talented. It also could open up the window of success for many years.I think our chances of winning a championship would go down but not extremely. If the trade is done in the summer, then there is 82 games to gain chemistry.
As far as trading Rondo, I think it would be insane. The kid is 23 and will be an all-star caliber player for 10 more years. Unless someone offers a Chris Bosh, Carmello, Wade, or Lebron you politely say no to offers.
http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/6/3/896268/celtics-salary-cap-situation-and
I agree with you about the appeal of the second option, but I think there is a (worse from a fan's p.o.v.) option 2a which is that Ray is traded for the reasons you suggest but then the MLE is not used at all, rather vet min contracts are used to fill out the roster. For the record, I think option 2a is the likeliest of all the above.
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I'll wait for something more substantial than a foreign website...
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I agree vagrantwade, let's see some Boston source.
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Vet min I take him. If we can get him for a cheap non guaranteed contract we could even cut him in the preseason if he doesnt work out. However, I still like Mikki Moore on our bench even though Oberto would give us better on the ball defense and more bulk (Moore is a better shot blocker IMO) and would be able to be the hustle guy taking the charge down low like Scal Baby and Powe all do so well. Even if we sign Oberto then sign a guy like Mcdyess or Sheed to the MLE i wouldnt mind at all.
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yes, It would. With all my respect, I think the one thing that I don't like about us (DA - Owners - C.Staff) is they´re not interesed in foreigns players. I now we are very "Conservatives" in terms of thoughts, but some players worth...
Come on Fabrizio!!!
Oberto has been in the league long enough to not be labeled a foreign player. Once you've been in the league a few years contributing, it makes no difference where you were before getting drafted.
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I have no problem with him if he signs close to the Min. He can play C. He can defend. He can be the 4th big man (resign Davis).
He fits well in the PJ Brown mode.
Exactly. We're not looking for him to be "the man". If we get him cheap and he just does all the little things he does, we come out smelling like flowers on this kind of deal.
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As a 4th or 5th big I love Oberto. As our main backup C....not at all.
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I have no problem with him if he signs close to the Min. He can play C. He can defend. He can be the 4th big man (resign Davis).
He fits well in the PJ Brown mode.
Exactly. We're not looking for him to be "the man". If we get him cheap and he just does all the little things he does, we come out smelling like flowers on this kind of deal.
This smells like Mikki Moore to me all over again. When know we need the good chocolate to make the cake, we went out and bought food club. The cake might still be good, but it won't be as good as it could have been, and it might not be good enough to win the blue ribbon.
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He'd be a good pickup. Personally, I'd prefer him if we got him and McDyess/Wallace/Smith/Gooden; however, I suppose if the C's got Big Baby back, it might be OK with just Oberto.
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I have no problem with him if he signs close to the Min. He can play C. He can defend. He can be the 4th big man (resign Davis).
He fits well in the PJ Brown mode.
Exactly. We're not looking for him to be "the man". If we get him cheap and he just does all the little things he does, we come out smelling like flowers on this kind of deal.
This smells like Mikki Moore to me all over again. When know we need the good chocolate to make the cake, we went out and bought food club. The cake might still be good, but it won't be as good as it could have been, and it might not be good enough to win the blue ribbon.
Although I disagree with the Mikki Moore comparison completely, the cake analogy was funny. ;D
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Oberto wouldn't be horrible, but nothing great either. Minimal offensive talent, mostly a defender.
Forgive me for this, but
Fabreezy ma neezy!
That is all.
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Oberto would be great in our system, an experienced, smart big man who plays solid defense would fit well next to KG and Perk. Of course, we would still need someone like McDyess, a solid backup wing, and a backup pg though.
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Oberto flat out stinks fellas! You should watch more San Antonio games. I wouldnt use the LLE on him.
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Oberto is bad. That's the reason he lost the starting spot the second a decent center came along (and decent means Matt Bonner, nothing special). Calling him defensive is as much a tribute to his lack of offense as it is that he's simply tall, nothing else. The East is too talented inside for a backup from the West to come in and contribute solid minutes. As a last resort, I guess he is a warm body. But with the names people have been talking about and the Celtics have been considering, this guy would be the btoom if not the dead bottom on that list.
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The East is too talented inside for a backup from the West to come in and contribute solid minutes. As a last resort, I guess he is a warm body. But with the names people have been talking about and the Celtics have been considering, this guy would be the btoom if not the dead bottom on that list.
The Cs will need someone to contribute Mikki Moore minutes off the bench, but not commit Mikki Moore fouls. Oberto is probably a good option for this, especially because he comes cheap.
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Somebody like Mikki Moore is fine by me as long as he's with us the whole season so he can learn our defensive schemes, doesn't commit a lot of stupid fouls like Mikki did, and is at the bottom of our bench in terms of bigs rotation.
Mikki wouldn't have been a bad pickup for us if he hadn't been expected to do so much. As a 5th big Mikki Moore is fine. As your main backup C and your first big-guy option off the bench, he's awful.
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I would like the addition if it is for the minimum...
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Oberto is bad. That's the reason he lost the starting spot the second a decent center came along (and decent means Matt Bonner, nothing special). Calling him defensive is as much a tribute to his lack of offense as it is that he's simply tall, nothing else. The East is too talented inside for a backup from the West to come in and contribute solid minutes. As a last resort, I guess he is a warm body. But with the names people have been talking about and the Celtics have been considering, this guy would be the btoom if not the dead bottom on that list.
Umm I'm pretty sure Bonner was there when Oberto started. Beside Oberto is only a backup center and that is what he would be on our team. He's won at every level he's played at, he plays solid D, he'll rebound a little, and he can hit the mid range J. This is exactly the type of player the C's need coming off their bench for 10-15 minutes a game.
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our new bench will be coming via trade, Scal + TA's expirings.
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I think Oberto will be a fine addition to the C's bench. We need to add a higher quality big man still, but he's a good second additional big.