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Title: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 08:23:23 AM
Obviously Thriller is an obvious choice.  My favorite of all time however is "The way you make me feel."  Not only is the premise of the video, If you follow a woman around a dark street long enough she will fall for you.  But they also have the classic fire hydrant erupting orgasm scene will grunting and yelling in the background.  But also its the introduction of his pelvic thrust
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Mon on June 26, 2009, 08:25:19 AM
The one with Naomi Campbell...In the Closet?
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: GroverTheClover on June 26, 2009, 08:45:57 AM
Easy, Smooth Criminal is an awesome video. I'll be doing a spin and crotch grab every time I walk around a corner today in his memory.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: SSFan V on June 26, 2009, 08:55:09 AM
leave me alone.

it's an honest (but very creative) plea.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Amonkey on June 26, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
As you say this, the full clip of Thriller comes on.  My favorite may be Black and White.  I remember being in Brazil as a young boy and everyone being excited about the premiere of the video and being watched like it was a soccer game.

I also remember later in his career, I think in 1995, one of his last songs to actually be played on the radio (They Dont Care About Us) he filmed it in Brazil.  It was a breakthrough because he got permission, not from the government, but from the gang cartel to film the video on the favela (like the ghetto, or shanty).  The gangsters were the ones that provided him with security and that had been the most footage of the favelas for a long time because media and not even cops could really get into that area.  That started the whole idea of "favela tours" where now people can take tours, and I believe for the most part the money goes off to the community.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: ChampKind on June 26, 2009, 10:25:57 AM
Billie Jean was a classic.  I think I might prefer Man in the Mirror though.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 26, 2009, 10:34:21 AM
billie jean...
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 10:37:40 AM
Black and white was pretty classic too with the kid from home alone and tyra banks
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: afflatus on June 26, 2009, 10:47:27 AM
That Video where he interrupted regular scheduled programming on TV to talk about how the cops raided his house and strip searched him.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 10:54:51 AM
That Video where he interrupted regular scheduled programming on TV to talk about how the cops raided his house and strip searched him.

Be respectful, the man is a legend
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Bankshot on June 26, 2009, 10:58:21 AM
"Remember the Time" from the "Dangerous" album.  That was the best album since Thriller.  Much better than "Bad".
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Jeff on June 26, 2009, 11:10:53 AM
don't know if there was a video, but I always liked that song Stranger in Moscow

had a very chill vibe to it
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: afflatus on June 26, 2009, 11:21:58 AM
That Video where he interrupted regular scheduled programming on TV to talk about how the cops raided his house and strip searched him.

Be respectful, the man is a legend

The Question was asked, I gave an honest answer. Sorry if I offended. But it's really an honest answer. Not everyone HAS to be a fan. And I'm sorry I don't put the guy on a pedestal. I am sure that there are a lot of "Legends" that you don't care for and don't respect.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 11:27:10 AM
well I would say disrespecting a dead man on a blog is a major withdrawal from the Karma bank.  So good luck with that one. I dont expect everyone to be a fan, but I do expect you to be respectful to those of us that are fans. 
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Smitty77 on June 26, 2009, 11:27:38 AM
Why do we now idolize a known pedophile and drug abuser??????????  I am with you Afflatus!!!
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 11:31:14 AM
Why do we now idolize a known pedophile and drug abuser??????????  I am with you Afflatus!!!

Nobody is asking you to Idolize anybody.  Just dont purposfully cause trouble just for the sake of causing trouble.  He could have left it alone and let the thread keep going instead he decided to be a jerk. 
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Smitty77 on June 26, 2009, 11:37:41 AM
Rondo2287,

MJ was a great musical talent, but was an utter disaster in about every phase of his real life.  Please balance your worship of his music with some sympathy and empathy for the innocence of the many children that he stole, OK?

Smitty
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 11:39:18 AM
then start up your own thread dude and talk about how bad he was.  Or how about how bad parents are that subjected their kids to that just so that they could then sue him and make a few bucks.  But please dont ambush this thread with negativity. 
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 02:48:54 PM
Also what is phenomenal is how "Beat It" is straight out of West Side Story
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: SSFan V on June 26, 2009, 02:51:36 PM
Also what is phenomenal is how "Beat It" is straight out of West Side Story

Can't deny the Weird Al cover of 'Beat It' either.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Kwhit10 on June 26, 2009, 03:00:40 PM
When he dunks on pretty much the whole NY Knicks... Oh wait.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: ACF on June 26, 2009, 03:09:37 PM
When he dunks on pretty much the whole NY Knicks... Oh wait.

Good one, TP.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: afflatus on June 26, 2009, 03:11:08 PM
well I would say disrespecting a dead man on a blog is a major withdrawal from the Karma bank.  So good luck with that one. I dont expect everyone to be a fan, but I do expect you to be respectful to those of us that are fans. 

A question was asked, and I answered it. Plain and simple. The question was about a video, I can't see why choosing the video is disrespectful. The video could be seen as him fighting back at his critics and making a stand for himself and informing everyone about the unfair harassment he has been receiving. But no, some of you CHOSE to think I liked it because it was a reflecting on him touching little boys. If there is anything I said that blatantly proves this, let me know and I will apologize.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 03:13:28 PM
Just don't be a jerk.  And as I said, Karma.  You know what you were doing by talking about that video and dont pretend like you didnt. 
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: dark_lord on June 26, 2009, 03:17:30 PM
this one is easy, smooth criminal!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Smooth_criminal_video.jpg)
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on June 26, 2009, 03:25:49 PM
Rondo2287,

MJ was a great musical talent, but was an utter disaster in about every phase of his real life.  Please balance your worship of his music with some sympathy and empathy for the innocence of the many children that he stole, OK?

Smitty

I love how everyone thinks he's a child molestor. He never did anything, he was never convicted of anything. Yeah he was a little weird, but he was a great guy and never harmed anyone.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Rondo2287,

MJ was a great musical talent, but was an utter disaster in about every phase of his real life.  Please balance your worship of his music with some sympathy and empathy for the innocence of the many children that he stole, OK?

Smitty

I love how everyone thinks he's a child molestor. He never did anything, he was never convicted of anything. Yeah he was a little weird, but he was a great guy and never harmed anyone.

Exactly, and I appreciate that, but I really dont want to talk about alligations or anything like that.  I think if you wanna talk about that go ahead and start another thread.  But this is supporting his musical talent and the fact that he is greatest entertainer of all time. 
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on June 26, 2009, 03:29:06 PM
Rondo2287,

MJ was a great musical talent, but was an utter disaster in about every phase of his real life.  Please balance your worship of his music with some sympathy and empathy for the innocence of the many children that he stole, OK?

Smitty

I love how everyone thinks he's a child molestor. He never did anything, he was never convicted of anything. Yeah he was a little weird, but he was a great guy and never harmed anyone.

Exactly, and I appreciate that, but I really dont want to talk about alligations or anything like that.  I think if you wanna talk about that go ahead and start another thread.  But this is supporting his musical talent and the fact that he is greatest entertainer of all time. 

Something that nobody could ever doubt no matter how much they hate him.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: dark_lord on June 26, 2009, 03:29:19 PM
i dont know if he molested anyone bc i was never there.  he was definitely odd and had odd relationships with kids, which is why it is easy to think of him as a pedophile, even though he wasnt convicted.

he definitely suffered from significant PTSD from his upbringing, which probably led to his being odd.

with that said, he was an UNBELIEVABLE musician and performer.  whether you liked him as a person, liked his music, etc......you have to respect what he did for music.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: afflatus on June 26, 2009, 03:30:17 PM
Just don't be a jerk.  And as I said, Karma.  You know what you were doing by talking about that video and dont pretend like you didnt. 

Choose to believe what you want to believe bud. I'm getting the karma already. I'm being misunderstood and judged already...just like Mike.

Peace.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: dark_lord on June 26, 2009, 03:33:01 PM
Just don't be a jerk.  And as I said, Karma.  You know what you were doing by talking about that video and dont pretend like you didnt. 

Choose to believe what you want to believe bud. I'm getting the karma already. I'm being misunderstood and judged already...just like Mike.

Peace.

why are u playing the victim here.....you provided a snarky comment choosing your fav video.   you clearly knew the OP was referencing music video, as the title even says thriller in it.

its cool if you dont like or respect him, but when someone makes a thread about a man's work who just passed away, it just looks immature on your part to be a smartass.

no disrespect, just throwing my 2 cents in from someone not involved in the conversation and looking at it objectively.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 26, 2009, 03:34:25 PM
That Video where he interrupted regular scheduled programming on TV to talk about how the cops raided his house and strip searched him.

Be respectful, the man is a legend

The Question was asked, I gave an honest answer. Sorry if I offended. But it's really an honest answer. Not everyone HAS to be a fan. And I'm sorry I don't put the guy on a pedestal. I am sure that there are a lot of "Legends" that you don't care for and don't respect.

You were obviously not trying to contribute positively to the discussion. 
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: afflatus on June 26, 2009, 04:10:08 PM
Just don't be a jerk.  And as I said, Karma.  You know what you were doing by talking about that video and dont pretend like you didnt. 

Choose to believe what you want to believe bud. I'm getting the karma already. I'm being misunderstood and judged already...just like Mike.

Peace.

why are u playing the victim here.....you provided a snarky comment choosing your fav video.   you clearly knew the OP was referencing music video, as the title even says thriller in it.

its cool if you dont like or respect him, but when someone makes a thread about a man's work who just passed away, it just looks immature on your part to be a smartass.

no disrespect, just throwing my 2 cents in from someone not involved in the conversation and looking at it objectively.


I apologize to those I offended. I understand that there are a lot of MJ fans, die hard fans just like we are all die hard Celtics fans. I should have chosen better words and should have been a bit more sensitive. As a die hard Celtics fan, I have to face heckles about our team, about how Phil is better than Red, how the Lakers are a better franchise. I get irked big time but as a Fan I take the hit. To be an MJ fan and appreciate his work, and be proud of it, you guys have to take the heckles of his negative side a lot worse than being a Celtics fan would. But you guys stayed true to him and defended him. I would do the same. So I apologize for not choosing better words.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: ACF on June 26, 2009, 04:13:42 PM
I gave both of you guys TP's.
Let's kiss and make up.
No harm, no foul and so forth.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 26, 2009, 04:29:07 PM
I posted this on my facebook:

Favorite album: Off the Wall
Favorite Jackson 5 song: "Who's Loving You" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ane6VJGlIMs
Favorite The Jacksons song: "Can You Feel It" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW1fXL3s7bk
Favorite Off The Wall song: "Off the wall" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrd3lSn5FqQ
Favorite song from "The Wiz": "You Can't Win" http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4th7d_you-cant-win-michael-jackson-the-wi_music
Favorite Thriller song... tough...: "Wanna be Startin Something" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPTsmswQVwg... Read More
Favorite Music video: "The Moonwalker version (normal speed) of Smooth Criminal" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcNzdtmIuPU
Favorite Dangerous Song: "Remember the Time": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_n7cftdkl0
Favorite Underrated Performance: "Dangerous" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC1TTz2bMmM
Favorite Dance banned from television: "Panther Dance": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB0o0WCnt-I
Favorite HIStory song: "Stranger in Moscow" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZz-q8CRLE
Favorite Invincible song: "Butterflies" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAa7z5QdL4M
Favorite potential 2001 hit that was squashed by Tommy Motolla: "Unbreakable" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3sYg8fhNoI
Favorite movie moment: "4:50 mark of this video dancing in fat suit (from mini-movie "Ghosts")" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u97iHjiVBdk
Favorite Youtube Tribute Video: "MJ Thug: The Movie (by me, of course)": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne6ScUwvd9o
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 26, 2009, 07:40:43 PM
btw just to put a rest to the tomfoolery that happened on the previous pages...

I don't blame afflatus or Smitty for their ignorance.  They are a reflection of the general public who heard Michael molested kids, bought the idea that Michael molested kids... and never bothered or cared enough to research it. 

There is no sense in arguing with them.  If they want to realize how foolish they sound they can just read up on the two extortion schemes.

1993 = http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html
2005 (same exact lynch mob (DA, Attorney, Sketchy Psychiatrist), new fradulent accuser) = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson

If after reading those two you still think Jackson molested kids, I'll listen to your argument.  But until then, I have zero respect for your opinions.   

"Robbing kids of their childhoods" is far from accurate.  The guy dedicated his life to saving children.  Even his 2nd accuser's son (I consider the parent the accuser in both instances) was a misfit cancer patient that MJ took in and helped beat his health problems.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Edgar on June 26, 2009, 07:44:40 PM
Easy, Smooth Criminal is an awesome video. I'll be doing a spin and crotch grab every time I walk around a corner today in his memory.
i
I will read all opinios later...I really wanted to read all now sorry
but i find fast my answer to this one in this one
love Smoth criminal
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Edgar on June 26, 2009, 07:48:52 PM
this one is easy, smooth criminal!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Smooth_criminal_video.jpg)

dark lord knows too..
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: footey on June 26, 2009, 08:48:36 PM
My favorite was his winning shot over Craig Ehlo.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: afflatus on June 26, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
btw just to put a rest to the tomfoolery that happened on the previous pages...

I don't blame afflatus or Smitty for their ignorance.  They are a reflection of the general public who heard Michael molested kids, bought the idea that Michael molested kids... and never bothered or cared enough to research it. 

There is no sense in arguing with them.  If they want to realize how foolish they sound they can just read up on the two extortion schemes.

1993 = http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html
2005 (same exact lynch mob (DA, Attorney, Sketchy Psychiatrist), new fradulent accuser) = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson

If after reading those two you still think Jackson molested kids, I'll listen to your argument.  But until then, I have zero respect for your opinions.   

"Robbing kids of their childhoods" is far from accurate.  The guy dedicated his life to saving children.  Even his 2nd accuser's son (I consider the parent the accuser in both instances) was a misfit cancer patient that MJ took in and helped beat his health problems.


Sir, Before you even assume what I said, go back through this thread and let me know when I actually accused the guy of molesting kids.  I never did. I'm sorry to have to post again. I already apologized but I am accused of saying something I never did.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: PosImpos on June 26, 2009, 08:50:54 PM
Billy Jean.

Michael Jackson's best song.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: bucknersrevenge on June 26, 2009, 09:14:07 PM
this one is easy, smooth criminal!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Smooth_criminal_video.jpg)

TP for you dl. This is my favorite music video of all time. Nothing even comes close to the full length video for Smooth Criminal. This move that you captured in the picture was just sick! Call a doctor. There were at least 4 moves he did in this video that just had me like "What did I just see?!" There isn't a dancer/performer live or dead who could even see him on the dancefloor.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Redz on June 26, 2009, 09:44:19 PM
Billy Jean.

Michael Jackson's best song.

Yeh.  Gotta be Billy Jean
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: dark_lord on June 27, 2009, 11:03:57 AM
this one is easy, smooth criminal!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Smooth_criminal_video.jpg)

TP for you dl. This is my favorite music video of all time. Nothing even comes close to the full length video for Smooth Criminal. This move that you captured in the picture was just sick! Call a doctor. There were at least 4 moves he did in this video that just had me like "What did I just see?!" There isn't a dancer/performer live or dead who could even see him on the dancefloor.

thx for the tp buck, i appreciate it
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: cornbreadsmart on June 27, 2009, 11:15:33 AM
i think we need to be a little more clear. i don't think there is anyone here saying how great jackson was AND also thinks he WAS viloating kids. i hope not!
  i know it was'nt the point of this thread but i do think the dude was guilty. after paying out millions he returns to the same behavior of bringing kids around? sounds like an addiction to me. sorry. again, this is not the point of the thread but there are some really good people with a good heart that are unfortunately also drug abusers. now that CAN be sad. i don't think someone's a bad person because they are a drug abuser.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Eja117 on June 27, 2009, 11:28:53 AM
Why do we now idolize a known pedophile and drug abuser??????????  I am with you Afflatus!!!

I don't think anyone here wants to excuse MJ or say he shouldn't have been punished, but I think it is somewhat clear that MJ was essentially mentally sick. He needed serious help. Everyone is the product of nurture and nature and it seems to me that he wasn't nurtured at all. That kind of stuff can mess you up and he was messed up, so more than an average person I felt somewhat sorry for him.

Also it was well known that even after his serious problems became public parents still let their kids sleep in his bed with him. That's called "parent hopes something happens so they can make a buck" and people should have been criticizing them just as much as MJ but it wasn't happening. It's no different than giving a recovering alcoholic booze and then telling him he shouldn't drink it and that if he is he's a bad person.

I don't think I ever saw so many horrid public jokes and mistreatment about a clearly mentally sick person who needed help.  Except maybe Mike Tyson.

Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Eja117 on June 27, 2009, 11:32:07 AM
I loved Beat It and Remember the Time even though it had a Laker in it.

Also I loved it when he shot up into the Super Bowl and just stood there for like 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 27, 2009, 04:29:35 PM
i think we need to be a little more clear. i don't think there is anyone here saying how great jackson was AND also thinks he WAS viloating kids. i hope not!
  i know it was'nt the point of this thread but i do think the dude was guilty. after paying out millions he returns to the same behavior of bringing kids around? sounds like an addiction to me. sorry. again, this is not the point of the thread but there are some really good people with a good heart that are unfortunately also drug abusers. now that CAN be sad. i don't think someone's a bad person because they are a drug abuser.

cornbreadsmart,

I again want to direct you to these two sources:


1993 = http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html
2005 (same exact lynch mob (DA, Attorney, Sketchy Psychiatrist), new fradulent accuser) = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson

Read up on the actual cases before you make a uneducated assumption based on tabloid media reports and word-of-mouth speculation.   Seriously.  Do me a solid and read the first article that explains the circumstances of that 1993 trial in great detail.   If after reading that you still think he molested kids, I'll listen to your argument.

As far as "paying off the kid millions", that article will answer most of your questions about that detail.   HOwever, one detail that didn't come to light until the 2005 trial was that Jackson and his legal council (Tom Maserau) presented evidence that it was in fact Jackson's insurance company that negotiated and paid the settlement in 1993 despite protests of both Jackson and his lawyers. Simply put, his insurance company stepped in and tried to stop the bleeding. For what it's worth, Jackson had claimed that he didn't have control over the actions of his insurance company. You can read a snippet on that specific detail here: http://whoismichael.com/insurance-pay-out.htm

I don't expect that small snippet to change your opinion of the man... but I'd honestly be shocked if that 1994 GQ article doesn't enlighten you.  Get back to me when you're done reading it. 
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: EatSleepBreatheGreen on June 27, 2009, 04:45:38 PM
Let the man RIP. No need for negativity. Take that to another blog, maybe a music one or something. Answer the question, favorite music video and move on. You CAN respect someones work, and accomplishments, but not respect them as a person or human being. Here's a nice analogy. I respect the work and accomplishments of Kobe Bryant, but can not stand him as a person.


I'm an '85 baby, Michael was the man growing up. His music is timeless. You can go to any part of the world and turn on one of his hits, and Everybody will start dancing and trying to moonwalk. Guy is a LEGEND, PERIOD.


Favorite video is definitely SMOOTH CRIMINAL!
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Redz on June 27, 2009, 04:57:39 PM
YUP, let's keep this one on topic.  I was going to try and break this one up to a separate thread, but there are too many tangents.  Let's talk about MJ videos please.  If you have something to say about the "Man in the Mirror" start a new thread. No mas por favor. - Redz
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 27, 2009, 05:07:12 PM
Let the man RIP. No need for negativity. Take that to another blog, maybe a music one or something. Answer the question, favorite music video and move on. You CAN respect someones work, and accomplishments, but not respect them as a person or human being. Here's a nice analogy. I respect the work and accomplishments of Kobe Bryant, but can not stand him as a person.


I'm an '85 baby, Michael was the man growing up. His music is timeless. You can go to any part of the world and turn on one of his hits, and Everybody will start dancing and trying to moonwalk. Guy is a LEGEND, PERIOD.


Favorite video is definitely SMOOTH CRIMINAL!

Unfortunately the negativity is something that will consistently come up, because people continue to have a warped perception of the man based on hearsay instead of actual facts.  It was a lot easier to sell magazines and get people to tune into TV shows when they were bashing the most famous man alive.  Nobody wanted to hear about how all of those allegations were a simple case of extortion.  And still nobody wants to hear about it.  Which is sad.  Most people I link that article to simply dismiss it as "conspiracy theory" before even reading a word of it.  It's a widely acknowledged piece that has been passed around for years.  Nobody has ever disputed the authenticity of the content within that article.   The perpetual ignorance is what has driven Michael Jackson fans into hysterics for years.  People just assume they are "crazy".

So my whole thing is... it's something that really shouldn't be ignored anymore.  Word-of-mouth speculation is that Jackson's death had to do with drugs.  Again, not sure how much we can buy "word-of-mouth" speculation, but assuming this is true... that means that the man spent the last 20 years addicted to pain killers, because a large percentage of the world believed he was a pedophile.  And because of that, I think those who are clearly uneducated on the situation maybe owe it to the man to enlighten themselves now that their ignorance essentially lead to his downfall and ultimate death.

http://www.buttonmonkey.com/misc/maryfischer.html

That article explains the 1993 case.

The only other case of relevance is 2005.  And I can sum that up very simply.  

#1 The woman had been in and out of mental institutions.  
#2 She had attempted to extort money from Jay Leno and George Lopez in the past
#3 Her family once shoplifted from JC Penny... and she then sued them for 3 million claiming security guards beat up her family (no evidence presented)... it was settled for 130k...
#4 After the "living with michael jackson documentary aired", the entire world was looking at Jackson under a microscope. He made the infamous claim that he didn't mind "sharing a bed with a kid".  Gloria Allred, Diane Diamond and Nancy Grace called for his head.  A movement was in place to take his own children away.   In response, Jackson distanced himself from the boy and her mother.
#5 the mother responds by going to the exact same lawyer, the exact same psychiatrist and the exact same DA that handled the 1993 case.   Obviously she was aware of the results of that situation.
#6 The "time frame" of alleged molestation was that it STARTED a week after that documentary aired... at the height of the anti-Jackson movement.   Think about that ...
#7  The jurors literally laughed at some of her comments on the witness stand
#8 She also had claimed that her family was being held captive in the Neverland Ranch.  When presented with receipts from the alleged "captive" time period showing that she and the family had been going on massive shopping sprees using Michael's credit card to various restaurants and stores (Nordstrom, Outback Steak House, Tiffany, Gucci... here is a receipt for a full body wax) the woman snapped, "IT WAS NOT A BODY WAX!! IT WAS A LEG WAX!!" and then accused them of doctoring the receipt....    

Basically anyone who followed that 2005 trial outside of just what they saw on the front of magazine covers never had a doubt that it would result in a "not guilty" verdict.   The media might have presented the outcome as "shocking", but again... anyone who did a lick of research into what was actually going on realized that case should have (and probably would have in any other district not involving Tom Sneddon) been thrown out immediately.

My hope is that the uneducated folks can read up on the reality of his life and appreciate his talents without that hovering cloud.   Had the internet existed back in 1993 we'd collectively probably already be aware of this stuff.  So now that it ultimately lead to his death, I'll do my part to spread it.  

PS... I'm all for staying on topic.  But if people keep bringing up the fraudulent molestation claims, I feel like I owe it to the man to respond each time.  I'm willing to debate with someone who had read the facts.  But it's pretty much impossible for anyone to still think he molested kids after familiarizing themselves with the actual events.  Every Jackson-hater I've coaxed into reading about it has come away with the same impression.  "Wow... I didn't know that"
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Redz on June 27, 2009, 05:16:16 PM
LarBrtd33 I'm going to assume you were typing that lengthy post as I was posting the warning.  Let's draw the line there please. - Redz
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 27, 2009, 05:26:01 PM
Whose up for an Imax 3D re-release remastered version of Captain EO?  :)

lol
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: cornbreadsmart on June 27, 2009, 05:30:57 PM
i don't care to read any articles. who knows maybe i'm wrong. maybe he did'nt do anything. i just don't care enough about this topic. i was actually just trying to defend people that still like him saying that they obviously would'nt be mourning a guy if he DID do those things.
  i'll add one more point then shut up because i admitedly don't have too muh knowledge on the subject.every single person that has done those type of things to kids.. i think you can bet they all suffered when they were kids. i don't believe anyone is born that way. but who knows.k. i'm out. i'm shuttin' up.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: cornbreadsmart on June 27, 2009, 06:46:39 PM
larbrd33. just saw the email ya sent me. in the future please dont send me personal messages.sorry, this upset you.  i admit i am not educated on the subject. i'll keep my opinions on this to myself now.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 27, 2009, 09:13:22 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

good idea... It's why I don't share my opinions on something like Iran.  I don't know a lick about it, don't care about it and have never researched it.  I'd sound like a fool commenting on it.

No worries.

I gotta say the best non-Thriller video is not even really a music video.  It's the iconic Motown 25 performance of Billie Jean when he first introduced the moonwalk.  It pretty much changed pop culture.  He dominated the decade from there on out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VASYhabHkM
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 27, 2009, 09:20:01 PM
He definitely perfected it as he got older:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7MmEMrCRfc
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Amonkey on June 28, 2009, 02:31:56 AM
Anybody got video of the sidewalk?  The moonwalk was amazing and it overshadows the sidewalk, same concept but moving sideways.  Another amazing move, as well as the leaning way forward.  Seriously, how does he do that?
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 28, 2009, 04:59:51 AM
Anybody got video of the sidewalk?  The moonwalk was amazing and it overshadows the sidewalk, same concept but moving sideways.  Another amazing move, as well as the leaning way forward.  Seriously, how does he do that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBLxh3u0tM

within the first minute of that one
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Rondo2287 on June 28, 2009, 08:46:51 AM
Guys Im sorry that this got so off topic.  I started the thread with the goal of some of Michael's fans or people that just like some of his work sharing their favorites.  As I should have expected it soon took a very political turn.  I really am disappointed with those of you on this blog who couldn't keep your your political views out of this thread pro Michael or against him.  If you want to talk about the controversy, please start another thread.

-Rondo2287
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: drza44 on June 28, 2009, 09:13:13 AM
Remember the Time.  Beat It was my favorite song off Thriller, but Remember the Time was a video masterpiece and a great song as well.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Redz on June 28, 2009, 09:41:53 AM
Can't forget this one...(though I liked Cyndi Lauper's performance better)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: cornbreadsmart on June 28, 2009, 12:25:18 PM
larbrd33, grow up. you send me an email basically calling me ignorant.now your trying to say i'm a fool???  is this how you would talk to someone face to face? something tells me you would'nt. i can't believe someone personally emailed me about michael jackson. it's bordering on creepy.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 28, 2009, 09:15:21 PM
I wonder how many people ended up seeing the movie "Free Willy" because of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iPWeu33s34



Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: Truck Lewis on June 28, 2009, 09:29:14 PM
I wonder how many people ended up seeing the movie "Free Willy" because of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iPWeu33s34






ive been sayin all week that that is his most underrated song...its a great song
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: johnnyrondo on June 28, 2009, 10:14:27 PM
"The way You Make Me Feel" and "Just Leave Me Alone" were pretty good videos and songs too.
Title: Re: Favorite MJ video besides thriller?
Post by: twinbree on June 28, 2009, 10:20:56 PM
Hands down Smooth Criminal. Then Bad then You Rock my World just because Chris Tucker is crazy. I actually didn't get to see the full Thriller video until a few years ago. My twin was too chicken and would scream and change the channel as soon as it started when we were kids.