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Title: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: SShorefan 4.0 on March 30, 2009, 05:02:13 PM
On the way home today, Glen Ordway and Cedric Maxwell were talking about the extent of KG's injury and Ordway literally talked about the Celtics and Maxwell both having to deal with the reality that Garnett will be out through the playoffs.

Am I missing something?  Is the injury that serious?
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Redz on March 30, 2009, 05:04:26 PM
hmmm...speculating on what they might be like w/o KG maybe?

BTW, WEEI in stereo on the Cape now....The commercials are very cheesy, but it's nice to get to a decent reception here finally.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: ManUp on March 30, 2009, 05:04:28 PM
I'm going assume they were speculating, because I don't like the alternative.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: RAcker on March 30, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
Okay, please update for us not in the Boston area. My heart just skipped a beat.   :(
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: celticinorlando on March 30, 2009, 05:10:47 PM
funny...doc says he is prolly playing friday vs atlanta.....
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: dark_lord on March 30, 2009, 05:11:42 PM
please, o, please great basketball gods....hear me.  make kg ready for the playoffs......or i will be forced to use the dark side of the force upon thou!  >:(
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: illantari on March 30, 2009, 05:13:33 PM
Maybe someone on Twitter can ask Paul.  :)
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Drucci on March 30, 2009, 05:14:16 PM
funny...doc says he is prolly playing friday vs atlanta.....

Yeah, I hope this is just speculation from Maxwell and Ordway because it would be catastrophic if it was true... and since Garnett is just taking extra rest I think (and hope) it's just speculation.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: RAcker on March 30, 2009, 05:14:46 PM
please, o, please great basketball gods....hear me.  make kg ready for the playoffs......or i will be forced to use the dark side of the force upon thou!  >:(
Way to step up, Dark Lord.   >:(
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: celticinorlando on March 30, 2009, 05:17:25 PM
Doc has been pretty honest about this whole thing...stuck to what he has said with his minutes and all...why would he say he is on track to play friday and then his season in jeopardy? doesnt make sense.....i think it is a slow monday on WEEI
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: dark_lord on March 30, 2009, 05:19:40 PM
please, o, please great basketball gods....hear me.  make kg ready for the playoffs......or i will be forced to use the dark side of the force upon thou!  >:(
Way to step up, Dark Lord.   >:(

just trying to do my part  :D
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: crownsy on March 30, 2009, 05:35:27 PM
i tend to take everything said by ordway as speculation.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Donoghus on March 30, 2009, 05:38:57 PM
i tend to take everything said by ordway as speculation.

As do I.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: FLCeltsFan on March 30, 2009, 05:54:51 PM
I think it is just speculation.  There was an article in today's links that speculated that it is a torn ACL and that KG is trying to play with it.  Let's face it, until he is back on the court and playing regular minutes, speculation will abound from all corners. 

Doc said that it was just sore after the games they played and they don't want to take any chances with him and that he may play Friday vs Atlanta.  I would take what Doc said over what Ordway says any day.  It is a miracle that Ordway was able to tear himself away from Red Sox talk to even speculate on the Celtics. 

I refuse to think that KG will be out for the playoffs.  If it was something that serious, I think Doc would have told us.   KG will play in the playoffs and he will be 100% because they are taking their time bringing him back.   
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Drucci on March 30, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
I think it is just speculation.  There was an article in today's links that speculated that it is a torn ACL and that KG is trying to play with it.  Let's face it, until he is back on the court and playing regular minutes, speculation will abound from all corners. 

Doc said that it was just sore after the games they played and they don't want to take any chances with him and that he may play Friday vs Atlanta.  I would take what Doc said over what Ordway says any day.  It is a miracle that Ordway was able to tear himself away from Red Sox talk to even speculate on the Celtics. 

I refuse to think that KG will be out for the playoffs.  If it was something that serious, I think Doc would have told us.   KG will play in the playoffs and he will be 100% because they are taking their time bringing him back.   

TP for this great post (your 1000th), couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: nickagneta on March 30, 2009, 06:07:23 PM
It all stems from a conversation to start the Big Show. Maxwell noted that he had talked to KG and that he mentioned the knee still wasn't "right". He went on to say that he noticed, and Ordway concurred with this though I saw no evidence of it on television, that KG appeared to be dragging his right leg a bit and that his lateral movement was off.

Maxwell went on to mention that he had a knee strain and that he dragged his leg just like KG is now and that he eventualy found out he had torn cartiledge and needed surgery. He didn't claim to say that was what was wrong but that being a person who had played the game and had seen enough players with similar injuries to guess that might be what was happening here.

The two speculated as to whether KG might not be 100% at all the rest of the year and that KG might think it wiser to shut it down and make it right than to risk long term problems. The two also noted that if he doesn't make that decision then it is imperative of Doc getting KG back with the rest of the team to be able to get their defensive and offensive timing in sync.

I didn't hear anything after that but that is the jist of how the subject was brought up at the start of the show.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: thebirdman on March 30, 2009, 06:15:03 PM
Ugh, my heart just skipped a beat.

But if the injury was that serious why would KG come back so early? It makes no sense. I am going with knee sprain and that some extra rest will take care of it...
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: FLCeltsFan on March 30, 2009, 06:19:34 PM
Thanks Drucci!  And a TP for you because I didn't even notice that I had hit 1000 posts.  I would have been wondering later which post and I wouldn't have known. 
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: SShorefan 4.0 on March 30, 2009, 06:40:25 PM
It all stems from a conversation to start the Big Show. Maxwell noted that he had talked to KG and that he mentioned the knee still wasn't "right". He went on to say that he noticed, and Ordway concurred with this though I saw no evidence of it on television, that KG appeared to be dragging his right leg a bit and that his lateral movement was off.

Maxwell went on to mention that he had a knee strain and that he dragged his leg just like KG is now and that he eventualy found out he had torn cartiledge and needed surgery. He didn't claim to say that was what was wrong but that being a person who had played the game and had seen enough players with similar injuries to guess that might be what was happening here.

The two speculated as to whether KG might not be 100% at all the rest of the year and that KG might think it wiser to shut it down and make it right than to risk long term problems. The two also noted that if he doesn't make that decision then it is imperative of Doc getting KG back with the rest of the team to be able to get their defensive and offensive timing in sync.

I didn't hear anything after that but that is the jist of how the subject was brought up at the start of the show.

Thanks Nick!
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: RAcker on March 30, 2009, 06:44:10 PM
It all stems from a conversation to start the Big Show. Maxwell noted that he had talked to KG and that he mentioned the knee still wasn't "right". He went on to say that he noticed, and Ordway concurred with this though I saw no evidence of it on television, that KG appeared to be dragging his right leg a bit and that his lateral movement was off.

Maxwell went on to mention that he had a knee strain and that he dragged his leg just like KG is now and that he eventualy found out he had torn cartiledge and needed surgery. He didn't claim to say that was what was wrong but that being a person who had played the game and had seen enough players with similar injuries to guess that might be what was happening here.

The two speculated as to whether KG might not be 100% at all the rest of the year and that KG might think it wiser to shut it down and make it right than to risk long term problems. The two also noted that if he doesn't make that decision then it is imperative of Doc getting KG back with the rest of the team to be able to get their defensive and offensive timing in sync.

I didn't hear anything after that but that is the jist of how the subject was brought up at the start of the show.

Thanks Nick!
I second that, Nick.

I hate talking heads that just speculate and scare the crap out of unsuspecting people.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: TatteredOnMySleeve on March 30, 2009, 06:59:44 PM
KG has missed 18 games so far this season(more then any in his career), when he has played hes been off/on limping on that leg all season and averaging 16/7...somethings going on there that isnt good...and this recent "setback" is scary and points to this injury possibly  being more serious then reported and something that will linger the rest of the season....

Meanwhile PP and ray allen have been overplayed
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: ScoobyDoo on March 30, 2009, 07:08:53 PM
I don't see how KG could even play on a torn acl, maybe some loose cartilage but not a torn acl.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Chris on March 30, 2009, 07:31:32 PM
I'm going assume they were speculating, because I don't like the alternative.

I heard about 2 minutes of it, and I can tell you they absolutely were just speculating.  Max was saying how there was a chance there was damage to the knee that wouldn't have been seen on the MRI, and can only be seen if its scoped, so they were discussing the possibility that if he continues being bothered by it, they may decide to have it scoped, and learn that he has something that he can't simply play through.

I wouldn't put much stock into it though, they were just throwing it out there, because they needed something to talk about.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: LarBrd33 on March 30, 2009, 07:38:20 PM
I'm going assume they were speculating, because I don't like the alternative.

I heard about 2 minutes of it, and I can tell you they absolutely were just speculating.  Max was saying how there was a chance there was damage to the knee that wouldn't have been seen on the MRI, and can only be seen if its scoped, so they were discussing the possibility that if he continues being bothered by it, they may decide to have it scoped, and learn that he has something that he can't simply play through.

I wouldn't put much stock into it though, they were just throwing it out there, because they needed something to talk about.

We probably will not figure out how horrific KG's injury is until after the playoff tickets are sold.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Neurotic Guy on March 30, 2009, 07:44:08 PM
KG has missed 18 games so far this season(more then any in his career), when he has played hes been off/on limping on that leg all season and averaging 16/7...somethings going on there that isnt good...and this recent "setback" is scary and points to this injury possibly  being more serious then reported and something that will linger the rest of the season....

Meanwhile PP and ray allen have been overplayed

Well, I admit I was screaming at the TV for Doc to take Pierce out when up 14 with 4 minutes to go last night, but in fairness the last five games have Pierce averaging 36 minutes and Ray averaging 33.6.  Not terrible, but let's hope they get some extra rest over the last 2 weeks. 
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Tr1boy on March 30, 2009, 07:45:54 PM
of course when big al gets injured kg is not too far behind to also. Kg has been durable for a such a long time that this was eventually expected especially how he intense he plays every possesion

single most important thing is to get him back healthy. To the pt of sitting him down even in the 1st round.

If we lost 1st round even without kg that is pretty sad
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Chris on March 30, 2009, 07:48:56 PM
I'm going assume they were speculating, because I don't like the alternative.

I heard about 2 minutes of it, and I can tell you they absolutely were just speculating.  Max was saying how there was a chance there was damage to the knee that wouldn't have been seen on the MRI, and can only be seen if its scoped, so they were discussing the possibility that if he continues being bothered by it, they may decide to have it scoped, and learn that he has something that he can't simply play through.

I wouldn't put much stock into it though, they were just throwing it out there, because they needed something to talk about.

We probably will not figure out how horrific KG's injury is until after the playoff tickets are sold.

Most of them are already sold.  Season ticket holders already had to buy them.  I don't think they will have any trouble selling the rest of the very few remaining tickets, regardless of KG's health.

Besides, I can almost guarantee you the Celtics do not think the injury is that bad.  If they did, he never would have come back, and they would already be having it scoped, so if its clean, he will be back sooner.  They may be getting a little more nervous now, since its been lingering, but I still don't think they know that more than what they have said.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Neurotic Guy on March 30, 2009, 07:53:54 PM
of course when big al gets injured kg is not too far behind to also. Kg has been durable for a such a long time that this was eventually expected especially how he intense he plays every possesion

single most important thing is to get him back healthy. To the pt of sitting him down even in the 1st round.

If we lost 1st round even without kg that is pretty sad

It's really hard to speculate on this injury.  Certainly if we knew that sitting out the 1st series would result in a 100% KG for the remainder of the playoffs then it would be a no-brainer.  If, on the other hand, this is going to be a naggng injury for the remainder of the season/playoffs no matter how much rest he gets in the next few weeks, then I'd rather see him in round one to get the team rolling on a solid playoff rotation and to avoid wearing out PP, Ray, Rondo and BBD by have to grit through a tough 1st round.  And I do think Philly in the 1st round will be a series with no KG -- I think we win, but it will be a challenge.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: celticinorlando on March 30, 2009, 07:55:18 PM
I'm going assume they were speculating, because I don't like the alternative.

I heard about 2 minutes of it, and I can tell you they absolutely were just speculating.  Max was saying how there was a chance there was damage to the knee that wouldn't have been seen on the MRI, and can only be seen if its scoped, so they were discussing the possibility that if he continues being bothered by it, they may decide to have it scoped, and learn that he has something that he can't simply play through.

I wouldn't put much stock into it though, they were just throwing it out there, because they needed something to talk about.

We probably will not figure out how horrific KG's injury is until after the playoff tickets are sold.

Most of them are already sold.  Season ticket holders already had to buy them.  I don't think they will have any trouble selling the rest of the very few remaining tickets, regardless of KG's health.

Besides, I can almost guarantee you the Celtics do not think the injury is that bad.  If they did, he never would have come back, and they would already be having it scoped, so if its clean, he will be back sooner.  They may be getting a little more nervous now, since its been lingering, but I still don't think they know that more than what they have said.


THANK YOU!!! why in God's name would they even put him on the court after Utah if they even thought it was torn? i am pretty sure the C's have a team of GREAT doctors that would have found a tear ASAP....i for think it is sore because he actually player and didn't just run on a treadmill....if he was hurt bad...Doc wouldn't proclaim him ready for friday
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: CoachBo on March 30, 2009, 08:02:31 PM
Hey, I'm no huge fan of management, but even I don't think they'd deal a potential franchise player for Garnett and then run him out there on a torn ACL that isn't even braced significantly.

Gotta realize, folks, that sports talk radio - like other talk radio - is entertainment. It's rarely news. Shouldn't take it as seriously as this thread indicates.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Mr October on March 30, 2009, 08:14:50 PM
I can see the sands running out on the C's a little. The age, the injuries.... i am admittedly starting to worry. until the sands are done falling i'm gonna enjoy this ride though!!

If KG can get it together we still have the best front line in the NBA, and a bench that is a heck of a lot better than it was 2 months ago!

Go Celtics!!
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Change on March 30, 2009, 08:18:53 PM
No worries we have BBD, but he's not KG WORRY! No matter what happens this season PP & Ray will do us proud.


Go Celtics
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: celticinorlando on March 30, 2009, 08:25:25 PM

they have won games without KG...would like to have him back by the cavs game in cleveland
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: liam on March 30, 2009, 08:30:51 PM
This is non-story, They would not let him come back if was even a question. They said they are just being careful and that's what it looks like to me.
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: celticinorlando on March 30, 2009, 08:34:35 PM
yeah....if he was out Doc wouldnt say that this isnt a big deal
Title: Re: WEEI talking KG out for perhaps the season
Post by: Jon on March 30, 2009, 08:40:27 PM
Yeah, I can't see how the C's could know he had a season ending injury and then not say anything.  It'd be one thing if it was someone like Perk and the playoffs were about to start.  They might pretend for a while that he was going to play to throw off the prep for the other teams.  However, if it's KG, there's not point in playing that game.  If he's out, there's no hope of a #18, so why bother? 

I'm more worried about all the minuets on Paul and Ray.  Hopefully we can rest them up a bit.