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Title: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 18, 2009, 10:53:54 AM
Just a discussion thread for other closet fans like me, I don't pony up for the PPV's, but i enjoy raw and smackdown.

Whats everyone think of the WM25 lineup so far? I think the orton-HHH match should be intersting, fans seem to be enjoying the storyline. The tag team match is also looking to be pretty good, though morrision needs to split off from the miz soon, he's too good a preformer to be stuck as a midlevel tag heel.

The micheals-taker match would have intrigued me alot more about 5 years ago, just because both guys are slowing down with thier in ring preformances. Should still be a good match though.

The triple threat match doesn't really intrest me, the only good in ring worker, IMO, is edge. Cena is good on the mic, and he's over huge with the fans, but i always find his matches subpar, and show is just a speed bump.

The one match i just don't get is the Y2J vs legands one. I know they got stuck when rourke pulled out on them, and i reserve the right to change my stance on this, but thats a terrable match to book arguably your 2nd best, 3rd for sure, heel in. It's just such a throw away match, and chris is to good a preformer to have baby sit 3 (at this point in there lives) non-wrestlers.


Stemming from that, The WWE needs to really learn how to write for heels. They have 3 heels with great heat that they aren't using to the best of thier ability. I mean, Y2J only has about 3-4 high level years left of in ring preformance, and your tossing one WM away on this match?

and orton is constantly booked as a coward, despite his entire gimmick being that he's unstoppable. I understand the heel dynamic is to be a coward at heart, but why is it that only hunter can get the " im a good wrestler AND a heel" push? Orton clealy deserves that push as well.

If you look at thier heel booking for WM, its laughable. They have jerico (again, mabey they change this match up, but right now its horrid) who has great heat in a comedy match.

they have hunter and orton finshing off a storyline that orton never should have been part of, thus having zero top level heel heat involved with faces.

and edge is in a match that for some reason inludes cena, which we have seen countless times, except now show is in it. weeee.

what are others thoughts on WM?

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on March 18, 2009, 11:12:21 AM
I used to be a huge wrestling fan up to like Six years ago. I forgot what the drama was back then.

I saw Karl Malone fight live in Bash at the Beach in Daytona, only time I've seen wrestling live.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 18, 2009, 11:53:31 AM
the card is OK, nothin really special.

honestly, they should get rid of the WWE spinner belt, and replace it with a new one.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 18, 2009, 12:01:42 PM
the card is OK, nothin really special.

honestly, they should get rid of the WWE spinner belt, and replace it with a new one.

yea thats my take on it.

The only one i still can't get over is Y2J vs. snuka, steamboat and piper.

I mean, you reinvent chris's heel character, quite succesfully judging by the heat he currently has, which is off the charts, and you throw away one of your best in ring and out of ring heels WM slot on a comedy match?

Again, the only way i can see them saving this is if one of the "legands" who's getting inducted this year makes a suprise apperance and challanges chris. austin on a one night only huge pay day mabey?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Mad Hatter on March 18, 2009, 12:12:50 PM
i somehow think steve austin will return to fight jericho. that's just me.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 18, 2009, 12:31:20 PM
i somehow think steve austin will return to fight jericho. that's just me.

has to be something, if you let the current legands booked win, even on cheating or a false finsh, you destroy chris as a heel, which would be stupid.

I mean, the whole reason they took the risk of moving him from cocky good guy where he was pretty over to evil heel was because the front office thought (correctly) that hunter was the only true heel in the company. Now you establish Y2J pretty well (better than the assumed im sure) and squash him by 3 non-wrestlers? makes no sense.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: bookerman20 on March 18, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
It just doesn't have the same quality characters like they did in the late '90s.  When you had Stone Cold, The Rock, and Triple H...they were all great on the mic.  They had great stroylines, and their matches were good.  Personally, I think Triple H should be a heel, he's more sadistic when he is.  Jericho needs to stay a heel. I hate the fact Orton is acting like a coward, he's better when he's always attacking.  Cena is just redunant....it's always the same with him.  Lose belt, get belt, Lose belt, get belt. It's just hard to get into with the same storyline over and over.  Now when they had Coporate Ministry....that was sick!!!!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 18, 2009, 01:00:34 PM
It just doesn't have the same quality characters like they did in the late '90s.  When you had Stone Cold, The Rock, and Triple H...they were all great on the mic.  They had great stroylines, and their matches were good.  Personally, I think Triple H should be a heel, he's more sadistic when he is.  Jericho needs to stay a heel. I hate the fact Orton is acting like a coward, he's better when he's always attacking.  Cena is just redunant....it's always the same with him.  Lose belt, get belt, Lose belt, get belt. It's just hard to get into with the same storyline over and over.  Now when they had Coporate Ministry....that was sick!!!!


yea, they defintly miss rock and austin promo wise.

jericho and hunter are the only real knock out promo guys left. Edge can get one in, and christan is funny, but not many others can. orton is doing his best, but his promo's are all still hit or miss.

I don't get why the fans are so over for cena, he has zero moves in the ring, and he has one dimensional mic skills.

to bad angle is semi-retired, I.E in TNA. he was a great heel. Him, Hunter, jerico, and orton would be one heck of a heel lineup.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on March 18, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
It's not just that the heels have better writing, the top heels (Edge, Jericho) are just so good with the mic, they can go off script so easily and still be great.  Then, they know how to put on a show in the ring.

In the late 90's, the WWE had faces that could do that as well in the Rock and Stone Cold.  They don't have that any more (except Micheals).  (especially since HHH should still be a heal)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 18, 2009, 02:28:12 PM
It's not just that the heels have better writing, the top heels (Edge, Jericho) are just so good with the mic, they can go off script so easily and still be great.  Then, they know how to put on a show in the ring.

In the late 90's, the WWE had faces that could do that as well in the Rock and Stone Cold.  They don't have that any more (except Micheals).  (especially since HHH should still be a heal)

I totally agree, They really need a face to step up and be great. I mean, they have cena, who for some reason is very over with the fans, but other than that, no baby faces are really up to the heels level.

and with hunter being the only heel with real "heat" besides Y2J, you lose the only face that could talk.

I love shawn, but he can't really pull off the same promo's he could back then, nor can he back them up (darn you father time).


you think they have a twist opponent wise for y2j at WM? I just don't see how you can waste his heat in a comedy angle. Any heel could do a passable job with that angle (chris is doing a brillant job, but its just not needed) and pull off that match. I dont get where they are going with that.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: perks-a-beast on March 18, 2009, 03:00:37 PM
the only match i'm looking forward to is Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy. I love the way both of those guys perform together and individually. cant wait for that one. The rest of the main events are weak though.

Triple H and Randys Ortons match doesnt phase me. Ive seen them wrestle eachother plenty of times, the only difference now is that its at wrestlemania.

The triple threat doesnt really grab my attention either. John Cena = boring.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: angryguy77 on March 18, 2009, 03:36:45 PM
The world is not the same since WCW sold out. But NWO4LIFE will be forever. Can you dig it. >:(
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 18, 2009, 04:39:35 PM
just found this the other day. shame jericho didn't leave WCW earlier so he could have had longer fueds with rock and shawn in his prime ECt.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LD9-geNXWo&feature=related





This is easily one of the best entrances of all time. At the time, it was actually a surprise to a decent chunk of fans too, since the internet had not quite exploded yet, and WCW, in it's typical unorganized fashion, never did any kind of "leaves the company angle" even though chris was one of thier most popular stars. so for all intents and purposes, he vanished from nitro and showed up a month later on the WWF.


some savey fans knew of course, but it was a great pop. still one of my top 10 moments of all time watching growing up.


what i wouldn't give to see stuff like this again between faces and heels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgzIsl6FCmw&feature=related
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Celtic_E on March 23, 2009, 02:55:46 AM
Quick thoughts on the current WM 25 card so far:

-Y2J vs washed up legends isn't the way to go for one of the top heels in the business. I know that plans for Mickey Rourke, Stone Cold, Ric Flair, etc fell apart leaving the writers with few options but I still think this is ridiculous. Y2J deserves better than this. A mere filler match in the biggest PPV of the WWE.

-WWE is spending a lot of time hyping up HHH-Orton and HBK-Undertaker which I think have the potential to be the matches of the evening. The Cena-Edge-Big Show hype isn't doing a lot to excite me for the match.

-The Hardy vs Hardy match is interesting. Hopefully they can pull off some crazy bumps within the match. Another potential match of the evening, in my book.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 23, 2009, 07:32:27 AM
yea im hoping for a last second swerve witht he y2j vs. old men storyline, otherwise, thats horrid angle making.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on March 23, 2009, 09:09:32 AM
i have slowly stopped watching wwe over the last few yrs, however i will order wrestlemania.  its always fun to watch every year!

im going to april's ppv, backlash.  it is at the dunkin donuts center in providence.  taking my little cousin.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: celticmaestro on March 23, 2009, 09:26:02 AM
WWF is dying a slow and painful death.

Since Angle, The Rock and Stone Cold's departures it's become repetitive, boring and the storylines are plain awful. Too many wrestlers, too many titles. That's what happens when you buy out your competition. Vince McMahon shot himself in the foot because I don't see wrestling lasting that much longer unless there are drastic changes.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 23, 2009, 09:32:26 AM
WWF is dying a slow and painful death.

Since Angle, The Rock and Stone Cold's departures it's become repetitive, boring and the storylines are plain awful. Too many wrestlers, too many titles. That's what happens when you buy out your competition. Vince McMahon shot himself in the foot because I don't see wrestling lasting that much longer unless there are drastic changes.

yet they still maintain a hugely profitable buisness, aided by TNA sucking.

I don't think it will ever really die, it might get less popular, ala the early 90's, but eventually they'll come back up. To many people watch for it to ever truley cash out of network TV.

I mean, as you say, this has been a down year and they still pull in 6-7 mill viewers a show for the flagship shows. its a easy, safe slot for a network to have on.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Bankshot on March 23, 2009, 09:41:25 AM
I thought this was going to be about the NBA refs. :-\
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: ManUp on March 23, 2009, 10:18:29 AM
I stopped watching maybe 5 years ago, a little bit before the Rock called it a career. It wasn't that bad then, but when I tried to start watching again It was just horrible. I see enough just to barely know whats going on. It's become so predictable, and there is no real star power. Undertaker is getting old, Jericho is hunting down senior citizens, Triple H has no rival, Ray Mysterio turned into a high flying fat short guy, and there's the John Cena the gangsta white guy from springfield massachusetts  ::). It's also pretty sad that Kane is still basically a bottom feeder along the same tier as new guys like MVP, who makes me never want to watch wrestling ever again. No new faces, nothing really worth seeing.

I don't remember if it was always like this, but it also bugs me that the "bad guy" can't ever win unless he cheats. For example we already know Triple H is going to beat the snot out of Orton, or Orton will narrowly win in a match he was losing by cheating somehow.

WWF is dying a slow and painful death.

Sidenote: WWE refs > NBA refs.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 24, 2009, 08:38:52 AM
Last nights raw was pretty good, i like that Y2J and lawler are fighting next week aftr chris kicked flair's butt, it gives em hope that a legand will be added to the storyline late thats worth fighting. My dream matchup would be Y2J vs austin with the other legands as lumberjacks or something similar.

I could have done without the undertaker watching hbk show him movies. We get it, shawn isn't intimidated, thanks. call me when th match is on.

Orton vs hunter was good, way to take another big bump for the team steph. I dunno though, orton just doesn't play the crazy pyscho card that well in my eyes. hunter and steph sold this bit though. good ehat in that matchup.

Im so tired of the john cena its not even funny, he's horrid on the mic and in the ring. they need a new over baby face ASAP.

P.S if anyone was blocked out from the game last night and saw the middle of the show, anything of note happen?

i caught the begining (yea halftime lol) and the end, but the clippers had to go and not get blown out so i missed the middle of the show  ;D
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Bankshot on March 24, 2009, 08:43:22 AM
I stopped watching maybe 5 years ago, a little bit before the Rock called it a career. It wasn't that bad then, but when I tried to start watching again It was just horrible. I see enough just to barely know whats going on. It's become so predictable, and there is no real star power. Undertaker is getting old, Jericho is hunting down senior citizens, Triple H has no rival, Ray Mysterio turned into a high flying fat short guy, and there's the John Cena the gangsta white guy from springfield massachusetts  ::). It's also pretty sad that Kane is still basically a bottom feeder along the same tier as new guys like MVP, who makes me never want to watch wrestling ever again. No new faces, nothing really worth seeing.

I don't remember if it was always like this, but it also bugs me that the "bad guy" can't ever win unless he cheats. For example we already know Triple H is going to beat the snot out of Orton, or Orton will narrowly win in a match he was losing by cheating somehow.

WWF is dying a slow and painful death.

Sidenote: WWE refs > NBA refs.

I hate to agree with your sidenote, but I do. :-\
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on March 24, 2009, 09:26:03 AM
WWE is has had trouble in the last few years building new characters. Every pay-per-view is just some version of HHH, HBK, Taker, Cena, Edge, Y2J, Edge, and most recently Orton fighting each other. Where is all the new young talent? I don't watch as much anymore, but from what I've seen, guys like Festus and Kozlov could have been stars if promoted better. Also, TNA has some great talent like Styles and Samoa Joe but they won't come to the WWE because Vince McMahon will put them on ECW or make them carry HHH's bags. Until new talent comes in and refreshes the product, my interest level will be low.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on March 24, 2009, 09:46:56 AM
WWE is has had trouble in the last few years building new characters. Every pay-per-view is just some version of HHH, HBK, Taker, Cena, Edge, Y2J, Edge, and most recently Orton fighting each other. Where is all the new young talent? I don't watch as much anymore, but from what I've seen, guys like Festus and Kozlov could have been stars if promoted better. Also, TNA has some great talent like Styles and Samoa Joe but they won't come to the WWE because Vince McMahon will put them on ECW or make them carry HHH's bags. Until new talent comes in and refreshes the product, my interest level will be low.

TNA's other problem is it has WCW itis. As you said, they have some great talent, but outside of AJ, no one gets a shot at the top because its all older stars who can't really carry a match.

IT's WCW all over again, when WCW had all these top stars who couldn't wrestle anymore but enjoyed not commuting while getting massive $$$ (im looking at you top of the TNA roster) while the midcard divsion worked its butt off.

The only diffrence is TNA doesn't have a gimmick thats massively over (ala NWO) to hide the fact that its mid card should be pushed. remeber the days in WCW when the mid card was:

benoit
malenko
jericho
storm
kidman
ray ray
raven
booker T
eddie guerro

and a bunch of other guys im forgetting? yet they couldn't buy a non-mid card match due to the NWO vs. sting/goldbreg fued.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on March 24, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
anyone here ever follow ROH (ring of honor)?  great stuff
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: bdm860 on April 06, 2009, 11:23:25 AM
So anybody watch Wrestlemania last night?  I didn't, but checked out some recaps and reviews, and it didn't seem like anything special unless you count a 10 minute Kid Rock concert.  Just wondering what people thought.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on April 06, 2009, 11:25:57 AM
So anybody watch Wrestlemania last night?  I didn't, but checked out some recaps and reviews, and it didn't seem like anything special unless you count a 10 minute Kid Rock concert.  Just wondering what people thought.

Bad main event. 

Taker and Michaels stole the show. 


They had Cena be superman again. 


They had JBL job his way into retirement. 



Thank goodness I didn't pay.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on April 06, 2009, 11:33:41 AM
So anybody watch Wrestlemania last night?  I didn't, but checked out some recaps and reviews, and it didn't seem like anything special unless you count a 10 minute Kid Rock concert.  Just wondering what people thought.

I didnt (they need to start running these events saterday. i have to work in the morning WWE.)

but from what ive read, HBK-Taker was an all time match, but since it was third from the M/E, it not only stole the show it killed the other two matches.

Also, they put the tag match on pre-show, and the report i read said it was the second best match fo the night, so there's another mistake.

Reviews seem pretty even in saying that the micky apperance was god awful, Hunter and orton put on a bland match with hunter keeping the belt, and they copped out and gave cena back the belt (because he is a horrid wrestler, and needs the belt to be over. at least hunter always gets to win because he's boinking the head of creative. Cena is just a awful wrestler but a great promo cutter, and to cut killer champ promo's, he needs to be the champ)

so, overall, a bad event sandwiched around one of the best matches in WM history (micheals-taker) hopefully that will leak to youtube soon so i can watch.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: MBz on April 06, 2009, 12:40:49 PM
It was bad.  The last two wrestlemanias were much better.  Taker-HBK stole the show, but the person I was more impressed with was Ricky Steamboat, he was great.  He was amazing in the ring.  He showed hardly any rust at all.  Snuka and Piper were awful as expected.  Cena winning was expected, the match was decent, triple H-Randy Orton was just bad though.  The show surprised me quite a bit a actually because there was not one surprise.  No run ins, nothing at all. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: PaulPierce34G on April 06, 2009, 01:18:55 PM
I watched Wrestling growing up, was a fan of Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Tito Santana, Texas Tornado, Legion of Doom, Bret Hart, Big Boss Man, etc (guys who were faces for good portions of their career).  Was a huge fan in the late 80's, early 90's.  I saw WrestleMania 1-10, then sort of fell off for a little while.  I started watching again in 1999, became a fan of Stone Cold, The Rock, D-Generation X, etc, saw Wrestlemania 15, 16 (WM 2000) & 17, to which I stopped watching shortly thereafter.  Storylines just got blown way out of proportion...I mean, you had the nWo come to the WWE after McMahon's WCW purchase...they attack the Rock & then have a Mack truck continuously ram in to the ambulance Rock was put in.  Just got too far fetched for me. The WWE had a more believable storyline in the early 90's with Ric Flair claiming he had a relationship with Ms. Elizabeth before Randy Savage did, or the match between the Mountie & the Big Boss Man at a Summerslam (i think) one year when the loser had to spend a night in jail...Obviously the loser didn't spend an actual night, but the point is, it was a story that could be believed.   I remember being a child and always believing it was real, and even when I heard it was fake, I still believed it was real...The sport definitely changed from being more about matches to more about the events leading up to the match.  I definitely agree that McMahon buying WCW sort of hurt him.  People love competition, having choices.  When you become the only option, you can decrease the quality of your product & still charge an arm & a leg. That's just my opinion, whereas to others, the "Attitude" era may be their preferred genre of wrestling storylines.  Like I said, I enjoyed it in from 99-2001 or so, but it eventually got too stupid for my taste.  Its funny someone posted a topic like this though.  I have been watching some classic stuff via YouTube in the last few weeks...definitely makes me miss a part of my youth, but I don't think I could get back into the whole thing again...watching Raw or Smackdown religiously.  Definitely was a good phase of my life, but just don't feel the same about it anymore. 

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Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on April 06, 2009, 03:09:25 PM
It was bad.  The last two wrestlemanias were much better.  Taker-HBK stole the show, but the person I was more impressed with was Ricky Steamboat, he was great.  He was amazing in the ring.  He showed hardly any rust at all.  Snuka and Piper were awful as expected.  Cena winning was expected, the match was decent, triple H-Randy Orton was just bad though.  The show surprised me quite a bit a actually because there was not one surprise.  No run ins, nothing at all. 

i know it will never happen, but someone, be it vince or shane, needs to reign in the whole "hunter is ALWAYS the champ or number one contender" angle that steph constanly pushes as head booker.

I mean, i know its her husband, but she has to develop more people for M/E status as head of creative.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on April 06, 2009, 03:16:23 PM
the few things that stood out for me from last nights wrestlemania were:

taker vs hbk was unbelievable

ricky the dragon was awesome for his age

it was AWESOME seeing stone cold!!!!!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: MBz on April 06, 2009, 03:58:43 PM
It was bad.  The last two wrestlemanias were much better.  Taker-HBK stole the show, but the person I was more impressed with was Ricky Steamboat, he was great.  He was amazing in the ring.  He showed hardly any rust at all.  Snuka and Piper were awful as expected.  Cena winning was expected, the match was decent, triple H-Randy Orton was just bad though.  The show surprised me quite a bit a actually because there was not one surprise.  No run ins, nothing at all. 

i know it will never happen, but someone, be it vince or shane, needs to reign in the whole "hunter is ALWAYS the champ or number one contender" angle that steph constanly pushes as head booker.

I mean, i know its her husband, but she has to develop more people for M/E status as head of creative.

Legit, they built Randy Orton up so well and then made him and Legacy look so weak just by last night.  How was DiBiase and Rhodes not by the ring at one point during that match?  They dropped the ball with this Mania, they had a chance to really make Randy Orton the biggest heel of the company in a long time and they just blew it.  I'm going to give it two more weeks and see what happens tonight and the draft the week after and if I'm not liking it, I'm probably going to stop watching, I am just so tired of Triple H.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on April 06, 2009, 04:05:04 PM
It was bad.  The last two wrestlemanias were much better.  Taker-HBK stole the show, but the person I was more impressed with was Ricky Steamboat, he was great.  He was amazing in the ring.  He showed hardly any rust at all.  Snuka and Piper were awful as expected.  Cena winning was expected, the match was decent, triple H-Randy Orton was just bad though.  The show surprised me quite a bit a actually because there was not one surprise.  No run ins, nothing at all. 

i know it will never happen, but someone, be it vince or shane, needs to reign in the whole "hunter is ALWAYS the champ or number one contender" angle that steph constanly pushes as head booker.

I mean, i know its her husband, but she has to develop more people for M/E status as head of creative.

Legit, they built Randy Orton up so well and then made him and Legacy look so weak just by last night.  How was DiBiase and Rhodes not by the ring at one point during that match?  They dropped the ball with this Mania, they had a chance to really make Randy Orton the biggest heel of the company in a long time and they just blew it.  I'm going to give it two more weeks and see what happens tonight and the draft the week after and if I'm not liking it, I'm probably going to stop watching, I am just so tired of Triple H.

agreed on orton, also, how is jericho, your second best heel, saddled with the legands match?

im not saying that was a bad match to have (and steamboat did look awesome from what i read on the sites) but ANY heel could have done that match and gotten a pop off it.

Its not a pop for jericho, he's already a top heel. thats a bad booking decision. That match HAS to be used to build heat for a younger heel.

It didn't even make sense, Y2J is no spring chicken at this point, shouldn't that have been a young guy to play on the whole New school vs old school angle?

I wish TNA wasen't god awful, because if it was any good, mabey it would push the WWE to get back to good stroytelling. It seems like the monopoly has dulled creative.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on April 06, 2009, 06:18:23 PM
i havent watched wrestling since yokozuna put undertaker in the coffin.

was the hitman bret hart there?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on April 06, 2009, 06:20:20 PM
I'm a closet wrestling fan too - thought about ordering mania, but 55 bucks was hard to swallow - reading the reviews I'm glad I didn't, but will put it on my netflix to see Michaels/Taker
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: MBz on April 06, 2009, 06:25:27 PM
I agree on Y2J, the match was actually very good.  Y2J and Steamboat did a great job, but someone like Santino Marella could have done that.  It was hilarious seeing him win Ms. Wrestlemania, but I would have rather had Y2J in the triple threat instead of Big Show, and yes the romance angle wouldn't have worked, but they could have figured something else out.  Y2J working a match with Edge would have been AMAZING.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on April 07, 2009, 11:43:08 AM
Last nights raw was ok, I’d give it a B, but it was hurt by the fact that they had to recap WM25 for all who didn’t buy it, so it did well to earn a B.

The Return of batista is great for the company, he’s on of the only “wow” wrestlers left power wise. Can’t cut a promo, but just an awesome “animal” type character. He’s like a super jacked George the animal. Good to see them take Vince out of the Evolution-WWE first family fued.

Back to that, I really, really dislike how they are doing the evolution vs. HHH and friends angle. With the new stipulation to the back lash 3 v 3, its pretty clear that shane or batista is going to get pinned by Orton, giving Orton the title while maintaining the “hunter job’s to no one”  aura and giving hunter instant #1 contender status as the champ who lost his belt without being pinned. Note to hunter: put someone other than shawn over once in awhile, it doesn’t mean your not a top guy in the company.

Allstar match was awesome, glad they brought ricky back for the fans who didn’t grab WM25 to see, he was unbelievable for his age in this match. Guys still got it.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on April 07, 2009, 12:03:43 PM
Last nights raw was ok, I’d give it a B, but it was hurt by the fact that they had to recap WM25 for all who didn’t buy it, so it did well to earn a B.

The Return of batista is great for the company, he’s on of the only “wow” wrestlers left power wise. Can’t cut a promo, but just an awesome “animal” type character. He’s like a super jacked George the animal. Good to see them take Vince out of the Evolution-WWE first family fued.

Back to that, I really, really dislike how they are doing the evolution vs. HHH and friends angle. With the new stipulation to the back lash 3 v 3, its pretty clear that shane or batista is going to get pinned by Orton, giving Orton the title while maintaining the “hunter job’s to no one”  aura and giving hunter instant #1 contender status as the champ who lost his belt without being pinned. Note to hunter: put someone other than shawn over once in awhile, it doesn’t mean your not a top guy in the company.

Allstar match was awesome, glad they brought ricky back for the fans who didn’t grab WM25 to see, he was unbelievable for his age in this match. Guys still got it.



I think this is a set up to either turn HHH or Batista heel.  Most likely Batista. 


Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on April 07, 2009, 01:06:21 PM
Last nights raw was ok, I’d give it a B, but it was hurt by the fact that they had to recap WM25 for all who didn’t buy it, so it did well to earn a B.

The Return of batista is great for the company, he’s on of the only “wow” wrestlers left power wise. Can’t cut a promo, but just an awesome “animal” type character. He’s like a super jacked George the animal. Good to see them take Vince out of the Evolution-WWE first family fued.

Back to that, I really, really dislike how they are doing the evolution vs. HHH and friends angle. With the new stipulation to the back lash 3 v 3, its pretty clear that shane or batista is going to get pinned by Orton, giving Orton the title while maintaining the “hunter job’s to no one”  aura and giving hunter instant #1 contender status as the champ who lost his belt without being pinned. Note to hunter: put someone other than shawn over once in awhile, it doesn’t mean your not a top guy in the company.

Allstar match was awesome, glad they brought ricky back for the fans who didn’t grab WM25 to see, he was unbelievable for his age in this match. Guys still got it.



I think this is a set up to either turn HHH or Batista heel.  Most likely Batista. 




thats the thing, HHH is a heel, in theroy anyway. This was just a way to make him a face for WM, so he could retain, since traditionaly faces win to end storylines at WM.

I agree on batista though, they could have him turn on hunter and join evolution. The question is though, who does hunter then get to fight them to be legit? i mean, shane doesn't count as a legit worker, they'd have to turn HHH full face and give him a stable (DX reborn with a few new members? Punk and jericho mabey?)

or, the ultimate new DX lineup (for me) Edge, Jericho (turned back into cocky jackass from stright edge heel as he is now), HBK, and Hunter.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on April 09, 2009, 12:11:51 AM
i been lookin at he post n replies

wrestlin seems to have turn into a big soap opera

what happened to the plow driver and the cobra clucth, the choke slam?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on April 09, 2009, 12:46:11 AM
i been lookin at he post n replies

wrestlin seems to have turn into a big soap opera

what happened to the plow driver and the cobra clucth, the choke slam?

they still do them, the story's are just more advanced than good guy vs pure bad guy.

wrestling's always been a soap opera, it's just now they've given up trying to sell that its "real" to fans.

Which is for the best, although its no where near as good as it was from 96-2001.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: PaulPierce34G on April 09, 2009, 09:43:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDE-kvqTiQ

nvm, embedding was disabled... my bad.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on April 09, 2009, 10:05:49 AM
any predictions for the draft next monday? I have a couple

1. Most obvious (in my mind) is that Miz better find a new tag team partner. Morrison is too good both on the mic as a cocky heel and in the ring as a worker to stay in the tag ranks anymore, and dropping the titles to the colon's sets them up to be split. I see them split up with Morrison going wherever rey goes (im guessing raw, but could be Smack down) and feuding for the IC championship to get his singles career underway.

Miz, i dunno, he might stay in ECW, or go to smackdown. If he goes to raw, he's screwed, since he'll be jobbing.

2. Edge goes to raw to be with vikki

3. Orton and legacy go to SMackdown and HHH comes to raw.

4. swaggert goes to a major brand, or if he stays put he fueds with evan bourne (i think they'll be taking bourne down the CM punk route and making him the star of ECW.)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: MBz on April 10, 2009, 11:25:14 AM
I agree on Edge going to raw, but I think Legacy stays on raw.  Randy Orton is too good to be on smackdown.  If they put him on smackdown, I'd be extremely disappointed.  I can see Evan Bourne hopping over to raw or smackdown and going after the IC or USA.  I think CM Punk should go over to smackdown to try to get more main event time.  I can see Shelton or MVP coming to raw as well as both are due for a big push.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on April 14, 2009, 06:11:48 AM
it saddens me that we hit every prediction except where edge ends up.

that was a incredibly predictable draft.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on April 14, 2009, 06:18:17 AM
I turned it off, it was A) predictible, but B) illogical - why try to win a match that brings more competition to your brand - so I'm John Cena and I win my match, now Triple H is on my show, that's not a good thing for me... I would have liked to see a guy tank on purpose to avoid such a situation


Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on April 14, 2009, 07:17:37 AM
yea that would have been cool.

the only +'s i can look forward too are:

I like Y2J to smackdown if he allies with Edge and goes back to being a wiseass. That team up could be hilarious. barring a heel stable one needs to go face and fued with the other, because they can put on great matches and interviews.

Like to see Morrison and rey to smackdown, as it means morrision will fued for the IC title. (side note: how funny as it when miz randomly turned on morrision to try to generate SOME kind of heat with the fans. Enjoy jobbing out on raw buddy)

good on the WWE to send kovloze to ECW, he needs some time to develop.


An Rtruth sighting! he does exist!



Title: Re: WWE
Post by: CDawg834 on April 14, 2009, 09:07:32 AM
"Drafting" HHH back to Raw is the equivalent of KG showing up in New York and playing for the Knicks for 5 games until the Celtics trade him down there.  He has been on every Raw for the past 2 months anyway.  Now it's back to Monday Night HHH, hey midcarders (Miz, Kofi, MVP, etc.) have fun going absolutely nowhere on the card except down for the next year!  You get to watch 25 minute promos, while you get one TV appearance in 3 weeks and then are expected to somehow get yourself over.  Is it any coincidence that Raw got good while HHH was on Smackdown?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: MBz on April 14, 2009, 09:39:19 AM
I would have rather seen Edge drafted to raw then Triple H, I want Orton to win at backlash so the feud can be done.  Unfortunately what will happen is Orton will pin either Batista or Shane-O so HHH doesn't have to be put over and Triple H will say blah blah I wasn't pinned, I want my rematch.  They need to give Orton the belt so Legacy has some meaning as a group as well.  I'd like to see Priceless challenge the Colons to the tag belts, give the group some meaning by giving them the belts, thats why Evolution worked out so well.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on April 17, 2009, 10:00:34 PM
any1 else going to backlash in providence?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on April 17, 2009, 10:20:40 PM
I hope Festus gets a shot on RAW. The guy can really wrestle.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on June 16, 2009, 11:35:28 AM
So, just thought I’d post about last night’s raw, since it was a three hour special.

Things that were good:

Rey vs Jericho was excellent. Even though ive seen these two wrestle a lot, they just always put on great matches. Good counter action here into a vicious looking code breaker. I don’t know exactly how far they can take this fued, but so far it’s a great series of matches.

The triple threat match was really good as well. Punk, who I never really cared for as a straight babyface, is doing an excellent job of playing the grey area character of his move to take the championship off hardy. I’m actually quite on board with that storyline of face vs heel vs grey area character.

Marlyse continues to be smoking hot. I mean, that’s all ive really got. add in the fact that unlike Kelly “I blow spots like its my job” Kelly she can actually put on a good match, and I don’t mind the her vs mikki fued one bit, and I’m usually indifferent to diva’s matches.

Santino was funny as per SOP.

The Miz- Full disclosure, When they broke up Morrison and miz, I called that Morrison would be as good as he is as a singles wrestler, but I thought the Miz would be an epic failure. Well, he’s proving me wrong. His “me vs the world” heel gimmick has been quite entertaining, and hey, anytime you shoot a midget in the nuts with a T-shirt launcher, you have to get some points. Felt he was buried in the rumble. More on that later.


What was awful

Triple H wins the rumble- seriously, AGAIN I have to watch these two go at it? I’m just so tired of the “triple H never puts anyone over” gimmick and the endless title matches until he’s champ again. Would it kill hunter to be out of the title picture for even a month or two due to something other than injury? So, so tired. Also, the miz (and again im not a huge fan, though he’s growing on me) pulls off the one good trick a heel can do in a rumble and he doesn’t even get ONE offensive move in before he’s tossed? That’s lame, it ruined any buildup./ hype he could have gotten off that.

Cena vs big show still going- ok, this should be over. It’s a boring fued to begin with, and now were going to carry it forward?

MVP continues to not get pushed into the title picture- I seriously had him winning the rumble last night ro costing a Main eventer to get into a fued. he is your only new talent in the ME on raw, give him a shot in one of these fueds.

Donald freaking trump?- This p---ed me off alot. I mean, who cares? When Vince laid out the gimmick that he’s selling raw, at first I was like “wow, this could be a really good storyline. It allows you the fiction that smack down and raw actually are competitors again, and makes them separate shows. This could be interesting with the right GM/ owner on raw.” And then he pulls out trump, instantly signailing that it will be a short gimmick, since trump is not going to be making the raw touring schedule.

The one way they can save that is to have trump appoint a custodian and have it be someone interesting.

Overall: I was going to give raw a pretty good score, but then I ran into a forum thread about this from last night and one of the posters was right on/ EVERYTHING that anyone liked last night was smackdown based. Smackdown saved a horrendous raw show.

Smackdown continues to be the far and away better show to watch. They have better wrestlers between punk, Jericho, morrision, edge, hardy and rey. They have better storylines now. If they ever get MVP and Kofi, I’ll stop watching raw all together lol.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on June 29, 2009, 11:23:15 AM
Just a post on the bash from last night, in case any other suckers still watches WWE like me :D


1.   What was good

Rey-Jericho was excellent. Good swerve with the two masks, I was a little ticked that the IC title changed hands yet again, but I guess this is the new era of WWE, where title reigns are short.

CM Punk heel turn- I am really enjoying how they are turning punk heel. It’s been well handled and his character has been really developed. Not only that, but they’ve use this turn to put several younger guys over (like morrision). Note to Triple H- you can lose clean and still make the other guy look good along with you, Punk is living proof. Also a really good match with a good ending to continue the fued.

Tag match- Cool match, awesome ending for me as a Jericho and edge mark. I hope they keep this tag team together for a bit and let them cut promo’s, should be awesome. Good place to use Jericho and edge by the WWE while the smackdown title hunt revolves around hardy and punk. They are both great heels and now they have an excuse to be on both shows for a bit before somehow splitting the titles.

ECW scramble was good, but a little to hectic.

Orton keeping the title is very good, though how he did it irked me.

2. Things I didn’t like/ didn’t understand-

The miz being absolutely buried in a 5 minute match- I don’t get this one. You let the kid talk for 2 months, he builds up some decent heel heat, and then you squash him with no offense in a five minute match?

Listen, I’m not advocating that he should have been put over, the result was fine. But why not let him get some sort of heel offense/ cheap tricks in? They had 2 really good months of build up for the guy, and then he looks like dog poo in a squash match….if you let him have a decent match, then you set him up as a good mid card heel while cena still gets the pop from ending his angle…I didn’t get this one, mabey they will throw out a swerve on raw tonight.

Orton once again being made to look weak- Listen WWE, we get it. Hunter is your top performer on RAW. Would it kill him to have a good match and put someone over once in awhile?

Not only that, but this tired mantra of “if hunter loses, it’s a cheap finish, and he will immediately destroy his opponent seconds after the loss” is making ortona nd legacy look like jokes as a stable and heels.

Also, it once again continues a tired storyline, I am really trying to get into this fued WWE, but how many times can hunter make Orton look weak while losing by outside interference before it gets old?

This storyline needs a swerve/ 3rd party involved, it has no interest for me.

Overall, a decent PPV, but once again I feel like everything entertaining came from smackdown, while raw stayed perfectly static. Raw needs something to shake up the M/E scene.

Also, there is no excuse for having nothing booked on this card for the following: kofi, MVP, Morrison, and evan bourne yet you book a dolph ziggler vs kahli match.


anyone else watch this and have any thoughts?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on June 29, 2009, 11:29:51 AM
I don't buy the ppvs, but I was shocked to see Miz only got 5 minutes and lost clean - why build it up like that just to kill him - the wwe needs more heels, and he has been so perfect in the role...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on June 29, 2009, 11:32:24 AM
I don't buy the ppvs, but I was shocked to see Miz only got 5 minutes and lost clean - why build it up like that just to kill him - the wwe needs more heels, and he has been so perfect in the role...

yea, i don't buy them either, I stream them if im home or read the spoilers, but i totally agree on miz, what was the point of his build up if he jobs in 5 minutes without one offensive move?

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on June 29, 2009, 11:37:11 AM
I don't buy the ppvs, but I was shocked to see Miz only got 5 minutes and lost clean - why build it up like that just to kill him - the wwe needs more heels, and he has been so perfect in the role...

yea, i don't buy them either, I stream them if im home or read the spoilers, but i totally agree on miz, what was the point of his build up if he jobs in 5 minutes without one offensive move?



can you stream for free?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wil on June 29, 2009, 11:53:31 AM
Thanks for the recap.  I just got back in to the WWE a few months ago after over a decade of ignoring it.  It's kind of fun these days.  I got the Extreme Rules ppv, but didn't want to shell out the cash for this one, so thanks for the recap.

I'm p---ed about the Miz match.  I really was hoping he'd get to be a somewhat legit wrestler and not just a joke.  I really like the Miz for some reason.  He's good on the mic, and pretty entertaining.  Like you guys have said, it really doesn't make much sense to have him get blown out like that. 

And I love that CM Punk is starting to turn.  I just watched the DVR of Smackdown last night and saw him start the turn by giving that cheap shot to Morrison (i think it was him...right?).  I would love to see a story line where CM Punk fell off the wagon and starting boozing and doing all this bad stuff which turned him bad.  Then they can send him to rehab and have him turn good again 'blaming' the drugs and alcohol for his downfall.  It would be fun. 

Anyways, thanks again for the update...i love how you can find anything on this blog...haha.  TP for you
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on June 29, 2009, 12:00:48 PM
The Miz squash is a chance to move Cena on. 


The whole Evolution fighting is killing the show.  It is boring.  I can see them moving to a Cena/Orton program. 

They have killed Priceless (I don't like the new name). Every week, they get beat up by a single person, wrestler or owner. 


They are doing a much better job on Smackdown with story lines.  They have the better athletes right now.  They have two of the best heels (with CM punk having a chance to show why he is a good heel)  They can carry the weak promo of the top faces right now. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on June 29, 2009, 12:04:14 PM
The Miz squash is a chance to move Cena on. 


The whole Evolution fighting is killing the show.  It is boring.  I can see them moving to a Cena/Orton program. 

They have killed Priceless (I don't like the new name). Every week, they get beat up by a single person, wrestler or owner. 


They are doing a much better job on Smackdown with story lines.  They have the better athletes right now.  They have two of the best heels (with CM punk having a chance to show why he is a good heel)  They can carry the weak promo of the top faces right now. 

I agree WDL, they need to do something to shake up priceless and orton, because the HHH fued is doing nothing for them if it just means they get destroyed every week.

and on miz, i agree with you, and i'm cool with cena winning in a dominate fashion...i just think they could have given miz SOME sort of leg to stand on in that match.

I mean, where does he go from here? he has no momentum, because cena buried him SO badly. It's one thing to beat a guy, it another to crush him in a 5 minute squash and even add in the "kickign dirt on his grave" move after the attitude adjustment.

Again, mabey raw has a good swerve for us tonight on that, but it just seemed poorly booked. result of the match was fine, booking of the match not so much (for me anyway)

but yea, smackdown is just a much better product right now. Raw is so stale, and really has no mid card...Hopefully a shake up is coming, edge and Y2J holding the unified belts will at least give them two main eventers that they can put in the upper mid card to prop up the show while showcasing younger raw guys as tag teams.


Clarification: I know it seems like im hardcore anti-triple H, but that's not the case. I think hunter is a phenomenal M/E and legit HOF'er. My problem is that, whether by his own violation or his wife being the head booker, he can never be out of the main event picture, and never loses clean to anyone not named HBK.

Even his one clean "loss" to orton was only done because he needed 2 months off.

I like hunter alot, but i would really appreciate a gimmick change or new storyline for him, because as it currently stands, his storyline with orton is tired, and holding raw back.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on June 29, 2009, 12:09:13 PM
The Miz squash is a chance to move Cena on. 


The whole Evolution fighting is killing the show.  It is boring.  I can see them moving to a Cena/Orton program. 

They have killed Priceless (I don't like the new name). Every week, they get beat up by a single person, wrestler or owner. 


They are doing a much better job on Smackdown with story lines.  They have the better athletes right now.  They have two of the best heels (with CM punk having a chance to show why he is a good heel)  They can carry the weak promo of the top faces right now. 

I agree WDL, they need to do something to shake up priceless and orton, because the HHH fued is doing nothing for them if it just means they get destroyed every week.

and on miz, i agree with you, and i'm cool with cena winning in a dominate fashion...i just think they could have given miz SOME sort of leg to stand on in that match.

I mean, where does he go from here? he has no momentum, because cena buried him SO badly. It's one thing to beat a guy, it another to crush him in a 5 minute squash and even add in the "kickign dirt on his grave" move after the attitude adjustment.

Again, mabey raw has a good swerve for us tonight on that, but it just seemed poorly booked. result of the match was fine, booking of the match not so much (for me anyway)

but yea, smackdown is just a much better product right now. Raw is so stale, and really has no mid card...Hopefully a shake up is coming, edge and Y2J holding the unified belts will at least give them two main eventers that they can put in the upper mid card to prop up the show while showcasing younger raw guys as tag teams.

It really depends on the promos the Miz cuts and who he moves on to.  A good program with MVP could help both of them. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on June 30, 2009, 08:40:12 AM
Last night’s Raw was pretty good, anyone watch?

First off, nice calls by WDL, most of his predictions were spot on :D

Good opening swerve to put Batista in charge and to have 3 mystery stars coming to the show (I didn’t read any spoilers for the trade before hand, so it was cool to be surprised). Also love that the million dollar man is next weeks host! One of my favorite old school heels.

Decent match between trips and MVP. Outcome was obvious, but they still put on a really good match. Nicely sets up Triple H vs. Cena, hopefully something screwy comes out of that that keeps trips out of the title scene for a month or two feuding with john.

Edge and jericho’s promo was awesome. I really hope they keep this team going for awhile and use it to rebuild the tag divisions. The introduction of this tag team was everything I had hoped for, very reasonable reason as to why they would get together, and they put on a heck of a match. I really liked the ending, showing Jericho being really sneaky and using primo to screw carlito over into a spear.

(side note: Edge needs a new finisher, the spear is kind of like a secondary finishing move IMO, a ton of people do it. I’m not saying he needs to ditch it or anything, just add something to his move set like Y2J did with the code breaker. MVP also desperately needs a new finisher. The playmaker looks very soft…it pretty much just rolls the guy over.)

Cena vs Miz was very good, I thought they did a very good job telling the story of this match (hat tip to king and cole) and implying that miz got stomped last night because he was in over his head, and his better showing here was due to being less “deer stuck in the headlights” and learning from his PPV experience. Nicely done WWE, now he can be a mid card heel with some heat from the mini cena fued.

Kofi vs big show was also well done. Good way to plant a seed for a fued going forward without hurting either show’s or kofi’s credibility in the future matchups. I know fans tend to dislike draw’s, but sometimes they are necessary, I felt like this was one of those times.


Main event was excellent, and really cemented this show for me. Evan bourne is a great add to the weak raw mid card. With miz back from the cena fued (one assumes) and kofi as well, Evan can really carve out a good spot in the US title hunt going forward, and bring some excitement to the middle of raw shows as he learns the ropes.

Swagger in essence laying down for Orton was also, I thought, a really good storytelling dynamic. It moves swagger into the upper mid card via the handshake from Orton, and leaves open the fact that Orton owes swagger a favor…they can go a bunch of places from that, alliance, help in a us title match, ect, ect.

Mark henry….full disclosure, I am not a mark henry fan….or I should say im not generally a big guy who can’t really wrestle fan. But I thought this was an interesting move. They changed him to a face with a pretty good pop, and Orton can claim he only lost because he was injured. Good shake up to have henry go over on Orton, did not see that coming.

I thought this was easily the best raw in months, well done WWE. Anyoone else catch it last night and have any thoughts?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on June 30, 2009, 11:33:51 AM
only caught the second half of raw - good to see Miz hang with Cena - though I'd be an unhappy camper if I paid for the ppv to see that match then get a better version of  it the next day...

the gauntlet match was interesting - my only problem with it is its assumed the 1 (in the 3 on 1) will at least make it to the third guy - I liked how they had Swagger lay down, made a lot of sense.  Same thing when you see a match is going to be 2 out of 3 falls (or 3 stages of hell) you know its going to go all 3 falls - I'd love to see someone come out and just win the 1st 2, leaving the 3rd in the lurch.. that'd be a surprise

as far as edge's finisher (edge happens to be my favorite wrestler - would love to see him back with Christian but I digress) what happened to the edge-a-cutioner? I do like the spear, as its sudden and can lead directly to a pin - and if I'm remembering correctly the only other guy to use a spear is Batista, so its more of a legit finisher (which is why I think guys who rely on the ddt can be lame b/c everyone has a ddt in their arsenol)

hmm.. I like the concept of guest host, but I don't think they should have unlimmited power - what kept Batista from stripping orton of the title and giving it to himself or HHH? I like continuity and logic in my wrestling, but that may be asking too much at times...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on July 10, 2009, 06:44:22 PM
only caught the second half of raw - good to see Miz hang with Cena - though I'd be an unhappy camper if I paid for the ppv to see that match then get a better version of  it the next day...

the gauntlet match was interesting - my only problem with it is its assumed the 1 (in the 3 on 1) will at least make it to the third guy - I liked how they had Swagger lay down, made a lot of sense.  Same thing when you see a match is going to be 2 out of 3 falls (or 3 stages of hell) you know its going to go all 3 falls - I'd love to see someone come out and just win the 1st 2, leaving the 3rd in the lurch.. that'd be a surprise

as far as edge's finisher (edge happens to be my favorite wrestler - would love to see him back with Christian but I digress) what happened to the edge-a-cutioner? I do like the spear, as its sudden and can lead directly to a pin - and if I'm remembering correctly the only other guy to use a spear is Batista, so its more of a legit finisher (which is why I think guys who rely on the ddt can be lame b/c everyone has a ddt in their arsenol)

hmm.. I like the concept of guest host, but I don't think they should have unlimmited power - what kept Batista from stripping orton of the title and giving it to himself or HHH? I like continuity and logic in my wrestling, but that may be asking too much at times...


Big show broke out he spear.


It is just funny watching Edge Spear the Great Kahli for the win.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on July 10, 2009, 07:30:38 PM
Am I the only one who likes this guy and thinks if given the right opportunity he could be a star?

(http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/Superstars/bio/5588954)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on July 20, 2009, 10:37:08 PM
this is the worst episode of raw ever
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on July 20, 2009, 10:45:03 PM
im way offtopic as i always be but...

i jus watched "the wrestle"r wih micky rouke  *spell check*

it got me a lil bit....u know that throat thing..choke..

*sippin*
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on July 20, 2009, 11:26:57 PM
im way offtopic as i always be but...

i jus watched "the wrestle"r wih micky rouke  *spell check*

it got me a lil bit....u know that throat thing..choke..

*sippin*

I actually got sick during the movie, not sure if it was the blood or my ice-ee...I blame the ice-ee still
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on July 20, 2009, 11:47:09 PM
this is the worst episode of raw ever

I dunno about that, but it was pretty forgettable.

Only things i really took away from it was a great promo from Y2J vs. debiase jr and rhodes and a halfway decent main event match.

At least next week should be funny if nothing else, with shaq hosting :D

But yea, overall, smackdown is the much better show. It's to bad people don't watch it more, raw isn't even in smackdown's league right now, talent or storyline wise.

Smackdown's main event alone teased about 5 good storyline archs and was a much better match.

i mean seriously, watch the M/E (+ bonus good promo between edge and jericho) they even turned a legit injury to edge into a possible face turn and getting jericho even more insane heel hate.

Bonus promo here (y2J interrupts edge at 2 minute mark):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA_TAyvR0So

Skip right to ME with these two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYxnuuYA69M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNh2hF01Wa8&feature=related




i mean, just with that, they set up:

1.Do jericho and punk have a deal in place ? (notice Y2J looks at punk before he code breaks and again before he puts hardy in the walls, and holds it till punk turns his back on the ring)

2. ziggler looks strong in a M/E match

3. rey now has a beef with punk

4. how does this affect morrision/punk? (if people care, i can post that match to)

5. is jericho's partner punk? ziggler?


and thats just the M/E, they had two more excellent matches that night (morrision/punk and the hart dynasty's match) compared to raw's M/E, which was stale and added nothing new. I already knew orton and HHH hate each other, you;ve rammed it down my throat enough.

I love raw, but lately its been pretty stale, though i liked the seth green raw, and the ted diabse one was very good.



Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on July 20, 2009, 11:59:27 PM
this is the worst episode of raw ever

I dunno about that, but it was pretty forgettable.


I only really have time to watch Raw, so I miss out on all of the smackdown goodness that I keep hearing about. This one was dissapointing; I kinda felt bad for ZZ Top, I mean they didn't even let them play their own instruments, it was just weird and awkward.  And Santino (as much as I like him) dancing in a thong...not cool. Lets see - same main event as last week except without Seth Green - I really wish Orton beat the crap out of someone and looked credible going into the PPV - don't people pay to see faces get their revenge on heels? hmm, Y2J was ok, and the 6 man tag was enjoyable - strong finish there, but the rest was filler crap

but yeah maybe not worst ever, but in the moment it was pretty darned bad

on the plus side, big Diesel in the ring on Monday?  I hope the Cavs have language in their contract that says he can't wrestle or we may see:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dIuw-pJie68/RrdTHwZlGhI/AAAAAAAAAM4/-xVg9fB4Mno/s320/MaloneRodmanWrestle.jpg)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Edgar on July 21, 2009, 12:11:35 AM
this is the worst episode of raw ever

I dunno about that, but it was pretty forgettable.


I only really have time to watch Raw, so I miss out on all of the smackdown goodness that I keep hearing about. This one was dissapointing; I kinda felt bad for ZZ Top, I mean they didn't even let them play their own instruments, it was just weird and awkward.  And Santino (as much as I like him) dancing in a thong...not cool. Lets see - same main event as last week except without Seth Green - I really wish Orton beat the crap out of someone and looked credible going into the PPV - don't people pay to see faces get their revenge on heels? hmm, Y2J was ok, and the 6 man tag was enjoyable - strong finish there, but the rest was filler crap

but yeah maybe not worst ever, but in the moment it was pretty darned bad

on the plus side, big Diesel in the ring on Monday?  I hope the Cavs have language in their contract that says he can't wrestle or we may see:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dIuw-pJie68/RrdTHwZlGhI/AAAAAAAAAM4/-xVg9fB4Mno/s320/MaloneRodmanWrestle.jpg)

is this a bring back malone and rodman thread
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on July 28, 2009, 12:48:23 PM
SHaq's raw was good, good matches throughout and funny skits.

I liked the initial promo, show vs shaq was great, as was shaq patting Y2J on the head whenever he tried to talk while he was staring down show :D

Good event by the big disel, though i was hoping he would somehow hurt himself barely touching show in the M/E, just to spite Cleavland

wish they had shown this, guess it was after they went off the air:


Ok so as most of you know, Triple H's 40th was today.

I just came from Raw tonight and they had a dark match main event with HHH/Cena vs Big Show
and Randy Orton. Orton walked away on show and Cena and Game both performed finishers. Meanwhile,
wrestlers were hiding behind the barricade.

Triple H grabbed the mic and told everyone that it was his birthday and he knew Vince was planning to
get him when he hit the back. He decided to go through the crowd but, they were already there. They
smashed him with cakes and he scurried to the backstage area being chased by refs. Vince comes out and
tells Triple H to come back out or he will have to sing happy birthday. Game sneaks back down to the ring
but not before Arn Anderson gets him hiding behind the barricade. Arm flees afterward. The whole roster
follows game to the ring all with cakes in hand.

Mickie James and Gail Kim have a huge sheet cake. They all surround Hunter. Gail and Mickie smash the huge
cake in Hunters face and that triggers the rest of the roster. There's icing flying everywhere. Hunter hugs onto
Vince an they fall to the mat together covered in cake. They then manage to restrain Hunter by his arms and
they try to smash more cake into his face but he ducks and they hit Big Show.

Batista's music hits and he comes down to the ring with more cake...lol. Triple H rubs chocolate
cake all over him...lol. It was awesome. Vince left the ring and Batista threw his cake right into Vinces back. Jericho
had the very last cake. He gave it to Vince and he weaseled back into the ring. Instead of hitting Hunter he hit show.

- I've never seen Vince in that manner before. It was cool seeing all of the guys joke around. Everyone says that
the workers are miserable but, the whole roster was out there throwing. Ill never forget it.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on July 28, 2009, 12:52:26 PM
any way Show vs. Shaq at Summerslam....that'd be awesome
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on July 28, 2009, 12:54:51 PM
any way Show vs. Shaq at Summerslam....that'd be awesome

It would be, but i think CLEV would freakout, even if it's a skit match and shaq barley touches him/ gets hit.

And, to be honest, i would too. Shaq works for them, and the WWE is a risk that the cavs have no business interest in letting him take.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on July 30, 2009, 02:24:19 PM
with all this Ortiz talk, makes me wonder if Scott Steiner ever did steroids...

(http://www.freewebs.com/wrestlingsuperstars2005/SCOTT%20STEINER.gif)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 05, 2009, 01:02:42 AM
Nothing to really talk about this week...i thought raw pretty much sucked outside of the promo hunter gave after legacy beat him down, which was funny.

So instead, i give you the best jericho tribute on youtube, as evidence of why im such a mark for him and why the WWE needs to to find a new heel it trusts so chris can go back to being the old Y2J while he can still work in the ring at a world class level and get a huge push.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTw9Mi7Y8LQ



Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on August 05, 2009, 10:57:56 AM
Anyone else want to see Shawn Michaels Super Kick  HHH at Summerslam giving "Priceless" the win and setting up a fued (with HBK as the heel) that could go to the Royal Rumble?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 05, 2009, 11:14:37 AM
Anyone else want to see Shawn Michaels Super Kick  HHH at Summerslam giving "Priceless" the win and setting up a fued (with HBK as the heel) that could go to the Royal Rumble?

absolutly.

I'd like to see anything new with hunter at this point. I'm not going to re-hash what's been said earlier in this thread, but to me, trips is dreadfuly stale and the fact that he puts no one over (i was shocked he let a 2-1 by two upper midcarders go over this week, and, even though i found his promo hillarious, he pretty much killed what little momenutm they had gained with it. also, whats with buring batista as injury prone? i mean, couldn't he have said "dave's hurt?" instead he flat out said batista is fragile...wth.)

Trips is a great worker...but ive seen him fued with everyone on raw's M/E scene...do something new.

He'd never do it, at least not to put diabese over, but i'd love to see a fued between just those two. rhodes does little for me.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 05, 2009, 09:01:11 PM
for hoyo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhOkUQKmmKM
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on August 05, 2009, 10:03:56 PM
Nothing to really talk about this week...i thought raw pretty much sucked outside of the promo hunter gave after legacy beat him down, which was funny.


I dunno, I thought it was a little mean spirited...Batista's always injured (sure its true, but it doesn't help him get over does it?) and the shot at Flair was especially low - now if those guys were in on it, fine, but to sully Flair's name without furthering any sort of storyline seemed kinda lame to me
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 05, 2009, 10:56:28 PM
Nothing to really talk about this week...i thought raw pretty much sucked outside of the promo hunter gave after legacy beat him down, which was funny.


I dunno, I thought it was a little mean spirited...Batista's always injured (sure its true, but it doesn't help him get over does it?) and the shot at Flair was especially low - now if those guys were in on it, fine, but to sully Flair's name without furthering any sort of storyline seemed kinda lame to me

yea, i'll agree, espically about the batista part. why, if we are supposed to think of hunter as a babyface, is he burying batista as injury prone in a promo?

I dunno, me and HHH have a very love/hate relationship. I love his work, but that that he refuses to put people over clean, if at all, irks the hell out of me. HE couldn't even let legacy have the minor bump they would get from beating him 2 v 1.

Kennedy said in an interview recently that no matter what angle you come up with/push you are on, its hard to beat hunters input since he has " the sunday brunch meeting in his back pocket". I think there's something to that, and i think raw suffers for it. HE's still yet to put orton over clean, ever. Famously, he refused to lose to jericho, batista and orton at numerous PPV's and stalled out thier push.

Guys a great worker, of that thier is no doubt, and i enjoy his matches...but i mean, other superstars put the up and comers over all the time...just this friday for instance:


*SPOILERS BELOW*











Jericho is putting JTG over this week as part of their fued on smackdown, and has put over numerous up and comers in the past. Orton made carlito look golden on superstars last week,and HBK has put over numerous up and comers in the past.  punk put over morrision while world champ, yet hunter never does for anyone. When is the last time you remember hunter getting beat clean by someone not named HBK?

The man is 40 years old, and probably has 3-4 good years left of work, if that. Put the next generation over once in awhile H, on your way out, that's all im asking.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Hoyo de Monterrey on August 07, 2009, 10:27:32 AM
for hoyo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhOkUQKmmKM

This guys athleticism is CRAZY. Watch how high he gets in the air on some of his regular standing dropkicks. They have to use him more. Nice find crownsy...

Also I gotta be honest I'm just sick of HHH. He's been there forever and I've just had enough of him.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: CDawg834 on August 07, 2009, 11:31:21 AM
It's no coincidence that Raw got good for the period of time HHH was on Smackdown, as soon as he returned it was business as usual.  He doesn't seem to understand how to win a match while making the opponent look halfway decent (example being Orton pinning Primo clean on Superstars, while not treating him like a jobber).  Even after the clean(!!) loss to Rhodes and Dibiase, he had to immediately get his heat back.

Used to be a huge HHH fan, but he hasn't evolved as a wrestler or character in years and it is getting beyond stale.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 07, 2009, 12:32:44 PM
It's no coincidence that Raw got good for the period of time HHH was on Smackdown, as soon as he returned it was business as usual.  He doesn't seem to understand how to win a match while making the opponent look halfway decent (example being Orton pinning Primo clean on Superstars, while not treating him like a jobber).  Even after the clean(!!) loss to Rhodes and Dibiase, he had to immediately get his heat back.

Used to be a huge HHH fan, but he hasn't evolved as a wrestler or character in years and it is getting beyond stale.

yep. and he's never going to have to accept that the company has moved on, due to his special circumstance.

I don't begrudge the man his marriage, or that fact that he is for all intents and purposes part of creative. I just wish, now that he's an older star, that he would start to put some younger people over clean and give back to the industry. IT's time HHH.

There's only so much interest i can put into a fued, as good a worker as he is, when i know that he's going to win it because his wife wrote the storyline  :-\
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Redz on August 07, 2009, 12:40:40 PM
Just dug this beauty up.  It was in with a pile of records someone had dropped off at my shop.

THE POLISH HAMMER!

Ivan Putski

(http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg318/henways/IMG_1678.jpg)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 07, 2009, 05:17:37 PM
for hoyo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhOkUQKmmKM

This guys athleticism is CRAZY. Watch how high he gets in the air on some of his regular standing dropkicks. They have to use him more. Nice find crownsy...

Also I gotta be honest I'm just sick of HHH. He's been there forever and I've just had enough of him.

seems like he's going to get a push, he got a new theme this week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzBOEy0D9Js

"some were born to fly" old one was good to, but I like the new one :D

Normally the WWE doesn't invest in licensed music for you unless they plan to use you. I hope him and swagger fued, there both really good and really young.

They could both use a good fued, and it's the classic monster heel vs underdog face, should start to get them both over.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on August 07, 2009, 05:19:56 PM
If only they would let him do his double flip shooting star press.


But at least they let him do some flying moves.  They don't let Ray do anything but sit on people or that stupid frog splash that looks like a belly flop.  Without those moves, I have a hard time 'believing' he could beat certain larger wrestlers.  (even with those moves I don't believe in him beating guys like Kane)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 07, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
If only they would let him do his double flip shooting star press.


But at least they let him do some flying moves.  They don't let Ray do anything but sit on people or that stupid frog splash that looks like a belly flop.  Without those moves, I have a hard time 'believing' he could beat certain larger wrestlers.  (even with those moves I don't believe in him beating guys like Kane)

you like the old bourne entrance or the new one better?

I think the new one is better, plus as i said i hope it signals that the WWE thinks him worth pushing, but i did like the countdown to lift off aspect of the old one.

WDL, do you know if WWE signed his younger brother to a developmental deal? I heard they did, but i'll be [dang]ed if i can find a story that confirms it...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 20, 2009, 02:04:27 AM
I miss steve, alot  :-\:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez2wex0KLcU&feature=PlayList&p=25EB45F6BA3DE129&index=13


And the best thing the WWE has going for it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipZW4stXS8k&feature=PlayList&p=25EB45F6BA3DE129&index=4
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on August 23, 2009, 10:22:36 PM

Spoilter Alert



just finished watching Orton vs. Cena... I love the finish, I really thought they were going to give the belt to Cena

now the key is to make Randy a dangerous heel, get him a nice win streak, he needs to move away from the cowardly heel role imo
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 23, 2009, 11:00:57 PM

Spoilter Alert



just finished watching Orton vs. Cena... I love the finish, I really thought they were going to give the belt to Cena

now the key is to make Randy a dangerous heel, get him a nice win streak, he needs to move away from the cowardly heel role imo

continued spoilers:








Good lord what a main event, if that was jeff's last match, he and punk had an epic match! gotta be early favorite for match of the year. That was one hell of a swanton bomb.

I marked out for taker too, and awesome way to fool punk by switching places with hardy after punk was standing over him gloating.


Really good PPV, start to finsh. Only match that was a letdown was predictably kane vs kali and ECW's "oh uh, we have a match...k christan wins!" thing.

Gotta go to bed, but i thought matches of the night were:

Punk v Hardy (by a long shot)
ziggler vs rey (I still hate dolph's character though, just seems so generic...but he is a hell of a talent, and rey is rey. easily the second best match of the night)
Orton v cena (way to mess that restart up lillian, she screwed the  up twice hehe)
and then DX vs legacy

all four of those were really, really good.

 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on August 23, 2009, 11:01:36 PM
ROH > WWE...imo.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on August 23, 2009, 11:05:12 PM
it was weird on the Undertaker comeback, did the lights flash early? b/c I was thinking right before they went out, taker's coming back, call it my woman's intuition....

but yeah DL, I've never seen ROH, maybe I should check it out
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 23, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
ROH > WWE...imo.

MEh, i like there tag team stuff alot, just because WWE doesn't do true tag teams much anymore, they are just stepping stones to see who's a singles star in the making (i.e john morrison)

I will say, for me it depends on the show..err brand your comparing ROH to. If ROH were a WWE show it would go

1.Smackdown (best pure wrestling WWE has, light on promo's that aren't M/E'ers)

2.ROH (like there tag team action, and nigel)

3.raw (often relies to much on angles and interviews, and not on actual wrestling. See: guest host gimmick)

in order of "want to watch" for me.

EDIT @ Cdif: It's good, i like that its almost exclusively wrestling, they cut out almost all promo's, unless its a M/E guy. They have some talented guys there as well. Definitely worth a look.

Alot of the newer WWE crowd got there start there, like the new champion, and your straight edge hero, CM Punk!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on August 23, 2009, 11:08:56 PM
it was weird on the Undertaker comeback, did the lights flash early? b/c I was thinking right before they went out, taker's coming back, call it my woman's intuition....

but yeah DL, I've never seen ROH, maybe I should check it out

i havent really watched wwe in several yrs.  slowly stopped once wcw and ecw were bought out.  vince owned it all and the lack of competition made his product extrememly boring, mundane, and watered down for my taste.  

alot of roh's talent have moved on to wwe and tna.  the first 3 yrs or so of roh were among the best wrestling i have seen with regards to wrestling and talent.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 23, 2009, 11:16:01 PM
it was weird on the Undertaker comeback, did the lights flash early? b/c I was thinking right before they went out, taker's coming back, call it my woman's intuition....

but yeah DL, I've never seen ROH, maybe I should check it out

i havent really watched wwe in several yrs.  slowly stopped once wcw and ecw were bought out.  vince owned it all and the lack of competition made his product extrememly boring, mundane, and watered down for my taste.  

alot of roh's talent have moved on to wwe and tna.  the first 3 yrs or so of roh were among the best wrestling i have seen with regards to wrestling and talent.

well, that and the ratings swich to PG instead of TV-14

Once they lost rock and austin, All they really had left from the attitude era was Y2J and H3, and they weren't carrying the ratings with parent's not letting their kids watch. Rumors are Vince was about to get booted off USA since only 20+ year olds were watching.

Thus the move to "safer" angles and cutting down the risky angles that made the attitude era so awesome :/

It still kills raw, i might catch one raw a month if im bored. Smackdown, where the emphasis seems very ROH like, and they focus more on wrestling, still has me watching though.

Between punk, morrison, the hart dynasty, crime time, jericho, rey, ziggler, heck even mike knox and R-truth, they easily have the best actual in ring talent.

RAw is just a bloated show, though im quite happy they are pushing randy orton, who is easily the only good thing about raw's M/E.

Hell, if smackdown somehow got orton and legacy, and added kofi and evan bourne, it would be the perfect show :D

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on August 23, 2009, 11:20:43 PM
it was weird on the Undertaker comeback, did the lights flash early? b/c I was thinking right before they went out, taker's coming back, call it my woman's intuition....

but yeah DL, I've never seen ROH, maybe I should check it out

i havent really watched wwe in several yrs.  slowly stopped once wcw and ecw were bought out.  vince owned it all and the lack of competition made his product extrememly boring, mundane, and watered down for my taste.  

alot of roh's talent have moved on to wwe and tna.  the first 3 yrs or so of roh were among the best wrestling i have seen with regards to wrestling and talent.

well, that and the ratings swich to PG instead of TV-14

Once they lost rock and austin, All they really had left from the attitude era was Y2J and H3, and they weren't carrying the ratings with parent's not letting their kids watch. Rumors are Vince was about to get booted off USA since only 20+ year olds were watching.

Thus the move to "safer" angles and cutting down the risky angles that made the attitude era so awesome :/

It still kills raw, i might catch one raw a month if im bored. Smackdown, where the emphasis seems very ROH like, and they focus more on wrestling, still has me watching though.

Between punk, morrison, the hart dynasty, crime time, jericho, rey, ziggler, heck even mike knox and R-truth, they easily have the best actual in ring talent.

RAw is just a bloated show, though im quite happy they are pushing randy orton, who is easily the only good thing about raw's M/E.

Hell, if smackdown somehow got orton and legacy, and added kofi and evan bourne, it would be the perfect show :D



I would definitely rather see 20+ minute matches than 20 minute interviews/segments... that would be a welcome change to the current WWE formula (we're occasionally getting it now, but still need more of it imo)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on August 23, 2009, 11:21:16 PM
ROH > WWE...imo.

MEh, i like there tag team stuff alot, just because WWE doesn't do true tag teams much anymore, they are just stepping stones to see who's a singles star in the making (i.e john morrison)

I will say, for me it depends on the show..err brand your comparing ROH to. If ROH were a WWE show it would go

1.Smackdown (best pure wrestling WWE has, light on promo's that aren't M/E'ers)

2.ROH (like there tag team action, and nigel)

3.raw (often relies to much on angles and interviews, and not on actual wrestling. See: guest host gimmick)

in order of "want to watch" for me.

EDIT @ Cdif: It's good, i like that its almost exclusively wrestling, they cut out almost all promo's, unless its a M/E guy. They have some talented guys there as well. Definitely worth a look.

Alot of the newer WWE crowd got there start there, like the new champion, and your straight edge hero, CM Punk!

roh's scramble matches were and are always the best.  used to love watching amazing red with SAT.  
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on August 23, 2009, 11:25:23 PM
speaking of ROH

WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on August 23, 2009, 11:28:25 PM
speaking of ROH

WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...

interesting.....i think he has lost some of his edge.  if they got him a few yrs ago, it would be best for both parties, imo.  his style wont win the wwe fans over, thats for sure.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 23, 2009, 11:30:58 PM
speaking of ROH

WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...

interesting.....i think he has lost some of his edge.  if they got him a few yrs ago, it would be best for both parties, imo.  his style wont win the wwe fans over, thats for sure.

He's 26!

Making my fellow 26 year old self feel ancient DL ;D

awesome in ring talent, i hope he goes to smackdown, where that's actually valued.

He'll be buried in the mid card on raw, taking the "flying shoulder tackles of DOOOM" from cena.

speaking of that, how awesome is it for non-cena fans (like me) that the crowd actively cheered orton all night tonight and boo'd cena's tired "four shoulder blocks into the attitude adjustment!!" antics?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on August 23, 2009, 11:32:04 PM
speaking of ROH

WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...

interesting.....i think he has lost some of his edge.  if they got him a few yrs ago, it would be best for both parties, imo.  his style wont win the wwe fans over, thats for sure.

He's 26!

Making my fellow 26 year old self feel ancient DL ;D

my bad.  too be honest, i didnt realize he was that young.  i just think he was better, at least tactically and technically, a few yrs ago.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on August 23, 2009, 11:32:37 PM
speaking of ROH

WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...

interesting.....i think he has lost some of his edge.  if they got him a few yrs ago, it would be best for both parties, imo.  his style wont win the wwe fans over, thats for sure.

He's 26!

Making my fellow 26 year old self feel ancient DL ;D

TP for being 26 like myself!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 23, 2009, 11:34:28 PM
speaking of ROH

WWE just signed The American Dragon Bryan Danielson...

interesting.....i think he has lost some of his edge.  if they got him a few yrs ago, it would be best for both parties, imo.  his style wont win the wwe fans over, thats for sure.

He's 26!

Making my fellow 26 year old self feel ancient DL ;D

my bad.  too be honest, i didnt realize he was that young.  i just think he was better, at least tactically and technically, a few yrs ago.

TP right back at ya :D

I hope not DL, that would stink. I haven't seen alot of him though, outside of youtube vids and a few matches in ROH. hope he does well. Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Potapenko Boxout on August 23, 2009, 11:37:43 PM
i believe danielson would fit in very well on either smackdown or ecw

i think he is ready to jump into one of the TV rosters ASAP, provided that he doesnt touch a mic - ever
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 23, 2009, 11:42:14 PM
i believe danielson would fit in very well on either smackdown or ecw

i think he is ready to jump into one of the TV rosters ASAP, provided that he doesnt touch a mic - ever

Hey, jeff hardy was a great M/E'er and only saw the mic once a month :D

but yea, he needs to go to smackdown, which as has been mentioned is the actual WWE wrestling show, unlike raw which is all promo's and 5 minute matches for the most part.

Ohhh Morrison vs daniels to tune up john for the M/E run post taker/punk?

The possablities are endless on smackdown. on raw, not so much.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on August 23, 2009, 11:43:16 PM
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.

that i agree with. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 23, 2009, 11:46:42 PM
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.

that i agree with. 

yea, does it make me a bad person that when the older main event crowd on raw has matches i root for father time to win so mabey someone else can get into the M/E?

At least orton kept the title, i don't think i could have taken another john cena title run....I can only take so many 15 minute boring matches, 14 of which are john getting his butt kicked and the final minute is Shoulder block, shoulder block, back drop, five knuckle shuffle, counter into **** or attitude adjustment.  :-X :-X

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Edgar on August 24, 2009, 12:07:56 AM
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.

that i agree with. 

yea, does it make me a bad person that when the older main event crowd on raw has matches i root for father time to win so mabey someone else can get into the M/E?

At least orton kept the title, i don't think i could have taken another john cena title run....I can only take so many 15 minute boring matches, 14 of which are john getting his butt kicked and the final minute is Shoulder block, shoulder block, back drop, five knuckle shuffle, counter into **** or attitude adjustment.  :-X :-X




pst crownsy message on anime thread?
anything about samurai7
20 of 27 episodes watched during this weekend
seems really nice
plan to watch the end tonight
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on August 24, 2009, 12:12:25 AM
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.

that i agree with. 

yea, does it make me a bad person that when the older main event crowd on raw has matches i root for father time to win so mabey someone else can get into the M/E?

At least orton kept the title, i don't think i could have taken another john cena title run....I can only take so many 15 minute boring matches, 14 of which are john getting his butt kicked and the final minute is Shoulder block, shoulder block, back drop, five knuckle shuffle, counter into **** or attitude adjustment.  :-X :-X




pst crownsy message on anime thread?
anything about samurai7
20 of 27 episodes watched during this weekend
seems really nice
plan to watch the end tonight

I really liked samurai 7, thought it was really good.

I need a new anime to watch myself, I haven't watched anything since Code geass  :(
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Edgar on August 24, 2009, 12:18:39 AM
Always good to see new guys hit the WWE.

that i agree with. 

yea, does it make me a bad person that when the older main event crowd on raw has matches i root for father time to win so mabey someone else can get into the M/E?

At least orton kept the title, i don't think i could have taken another john cena title run....I can only take so many 15 minute boring matches, 14 of which are john getting his butt kicked and the final minute is Shoulder block, shoulder block, back drop, five knuckle shuffle, counter into **** or attitude adjustment.  :-X :-X




pst crownsy message on anime thread?
anything about samurai7
20 of 27 episodes watched during this weekend
seems really nice
plan to watch the end tonight

I really liked samurai 7, thought it was really good.

I need a new anime to watch myself, I haven't watched anything since Code geass  :(

I am in anime mode again
maybe i can give u something this days
I will try
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on September 04, 2009, 11:50:50 AM
WWE got another ROH star, I really like this kid too. This pretty much rips ROH's main event apart though (bryan and nigel were pretty much 1 and 2) which im not a big fan of however.

But, should be fun to see how they do in the WWE.


Quote
Ring Of Honor has sent out the following statement:

Nigel McGuinness has agreed in principle to a contract with World Wrestling Entertainment
.

Nigel has been a tremendous leader in the Ring of Honor locker room and, without question, a wonderful performer. His merits, both in and out of the ring, are extraordinary and any locker room with Nigel McGuinness in it is better for it. We couldn’t be happier for Nigel as he takes the next step in his stellar wrestling career, and we extend our heartfelt gratitude to Nigel for all he’s worked for and through.

Nigel has pledged to fulfill his scheduled Ring of Honor commitments. Please join us in Philadelphia, Boston, and New York as we bid an extremely fond farewell to another member of our family.

Everyone at Ring of Honor is extremely proud to have called both Nigel McGuinness and Bryan Danielson their own; and we looking forward to seeing their stars shine brighter than ever. Like many of the wonderful sons of Ring of Honor that have written new chapters in their wrestling annals, we will look on with a bittersweet smile to the future where we have no doubt that Nigel and Bryan will amaze the masses – just like they’ve done so many times in Ring of Honor.

With the closing of this chapter a new one opens in Ring of Honor. We now look to an exciting time where new stars will blaze their own paths, while looking back in reverence to those who came before them. Who will seize the opportunity and carry the torch for ROH? We only hope that whoever it is will carry it with the same respect - the same honor - that Bryan and Nigel have.

It will be cool to see which one of them gets farther, due to their different styles.

Bryan is a super technical wrestler, but not a huge charismatic personality guy.

Nigel is a big charisma and look guy, but his offense is very non-flashy.

My guess is nigel goes farther, realitivly, but im hoping im wrong.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on September 04, 2009, 12:04:33 PM
oh wow, way to botch TNA and love, respcetivly. The beautiful people faction is one of the only gimmicks they have i really like.

Quote
n a move that will probably take most fans of the company by surprise, former TNA Knockouts champion Angelina Love of the Beautiful People was released late yesterday by the company.

According to numerous sources within the company, there was some sort of issue with Love's work visa (she's Canadian) expiring and not being renewed as needed.

Love, who worked for TNA as recently as the Impact tapings this past Monday and Tuesday, had been working on a work visa originally granted to her from when she was under a WWE developmental deal. The existing visa has either expired or will expire shortly.

One TNA source referred to it as the company's "hands being tied" since they can't legally use Love if she doesn't have her paperwork in order. There was a lot of unhappiness within the company regarding the entire situation going down, although it seemed to be more disappointment as opposed to heat on Love.

My guess is that TNA would bring her back if and when she can get her paperwork in order, although the release would conceivably leave her available to sign with WWE and work there (pending a new work visa).

Love and Velvet Sky, as the Beautiful People, had been the top heel act for the TNA Knockouts division and were scheduled to be involved in an important bout on the No Surrender PPV on 9/22.

man i hope Love ends up in the WWE, could make the diva's worth watching. I'd say it probably won't happen though, angelina can wrestle, but isnt smoking hot.

(http://wrestling.topbuzz.com/pictures/d/4925-2/Angelina+Love+in+black+tight+pants+in+front+of+TNA+poster.jpg)




The WWE's women's wrestling focus isn't in ring talent like TNA's is. not sure love would fit in or find enough women wrestlers in the WWE where she could show of her skills.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on September 05, 2009, 12:10:44 AM
WWE got another ROH star, I really like this kid too. This pretty much rips ROH's main event apart though (bryan and nigel were pretty much 1 and 2) which im not a big fan of however.

But, should be fun to see how they do in the WWE.


Quote
Ring Of Honor has sent out the following statement:

Nigel McGuinness has agreed in principle to a contract with World Wrestling Entertainment
.

Nigel has been a tremendous leader in the Ring of Honor locker room and, without question, a wonderful performer. His merits, both in and out of the ring, are extraordinary and any locker room with Nigel McGuinness in it is better for it. We couldn’t be happier for Nigel as he takes the next step in his stellar wrestling career, and we extend our heartfelt gratitude to Nigel for all he’s worked for and through.

Nigel has pledged to fulfill his scheduled Ring of Honor commitments. Please join us in Philadelphia, Boston, and New York as we bid an extremely fond farewell to another member of our family.

Everyone at Ring of Honor is extremely proud to have called both Nigel McGuinness and Bryan Danielson their own; and we looking forward to seeing their stars shine brighter than ever. Like many of the wonderful sons of Ring of Honor that have written new chapters in their wrestling annals, we will look on with a bittersweet smile to the future where we have no doubt that Nigel and Bryan will amaze the masses – just like they’ve done so many times in Ring of Honor.

With the closing of this chapter a new one opens in Ring of Honor. We now look to an exciting time where new stars will blaze their own paths, while looking back in reverence to those who came before them. Who will seize the opportunity and carry the torch for ROH? We only hope that whoever it is will carry it with the same respect - the same honor - that Bryan and Nigel have.

It will be cool to see which one of them gets farther, due to their different styles.

Bryan is a super technical wrestler, but not a huge charismatic personality guy.

Nigel is a big charisma and look guy, but his offense is very non-flashy.

My guess is nigel goes farther, realitivly, but im hoping im wrong.

i agree that nigel will go further. 

did u happen to catch tna last night.  pretty cool stuff between christopher daniels and samoa joe.  daniels' mic work was awesome, reminiscing about the two of them coming up, along with aj styles.  talking about the x-division and whatnot. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on September 10, 2009, 12:21:25 AM
Shocking stuff coming out about love. Apparently her visa has been bad since her WWE developmental deal got canceled and the law says she would have to renew her work visa for the TNA gig, what should have been a zero effort procedure, and there's rumors TNA knew but didn't want to tick her off by hounding her over it (there's rumors the whole M/E'er of the womens division went to her head and she was a bit of a premadona), thinking it wasn't a big deal.

Then apparently one of their lawyers pointed out the penalties for having an illegal immigrant, and that one phone call by anyone to INS would get them in huge trouble. Dixie came down hard and told Love to go get the paperwork done, but when INS saw she'd been in the country illegally going on 3 years and working, they informed her that they would not give her a Visa, and that their may be legal action.

I guess the word is that she may be deported and barred from entering the country for up to 10 years, and forced to pay back every dollar she earned with TNA.  :o

Say what you will about the WWE, but a worker having illegal paperwork and being let slide would never, ever happen under vince's watch.

 Now TNA loses a major star for something they could have easily corrected when she was hired if they had demanded the paper work from her.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Edgar on September 10, 2009, 10:22:26 AM
There will be raw show in el Salvador next month.

I saw smackdown 2 month ago, here too.

Sadly they made them here with half the tech. so I dont think i will attend it this time.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on September 12, 2009, 02:02:56 AM
Wow, Jeff hardy just got arrested with a ton of illegal pain pills....That sucks, i like jeff alot :(

Bet the WWE is happy he didn't want to sign that extension right about now.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: dark_lord on September 12, 2009, 10:36:36 AM
Wow, Jeff hardy just got arrested with a ton of illegal pain pills....That sucks, i like jeff alot :(

Bet the WWE is happy he didn't want to sign that extension right about now.

this isnt the first time.  the first time happened when crossing the us/canadian border.  wwe fired him as a result...he was a mid-card at the time though.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: MBz on September 14, 2009, 09:25:29 AM
Does it make ZERO sense to anyone else why WWE would Have Rhodes and DiBiase win but not Orton?  They finally put Rhodes and DiBiase over and had they put Orton over as well, they could have looked like a legit stable finally.  Unless they have Orton turn on Rhodes and DiBiase or the other way around, this makes no sense.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on September 14, 2009, 09:35:57 AM
Is anyone else anticipating the return to MNR of Christian & Edge at some point in the future. I think that would be huge. Given them the Raw belt, the IC belt and the tag belts over time and the push and popularity would be enormous.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on September 14, 2009, 10:01:38 AM
Does it make ZERO sense to anyone else why WWE would Have Rhodes and DiBiase win but not Orton?  They finally put Rhodes and DiBiase over and had they put Orton over as well, they could have looked like a legit stable finally.  Unless they have Orton turn on Rhodes and DiBiase or the other way around, this makes no sense.

Actually, ya, it does make some sense to me. You can't have cena lose an "I quit" match, that's his entire gimmick. The never give up, never surrender face. He just lost clean to orton last PPV, if he loses an "I quit" match, then you better have the cena heel turn ready, because the last of his momentum as a face would have been shot.

Plus, i actually think Orton is over enough with the crowd heel heat wise that he doesn't need the belt at all times. Not sure i can say that about cena.

 i thought that match was extremely well done from both sides. It made randy look extremely vicious and Cena did a great job selling the beating.

I would think Orton will be getting the title back at the rumble. Then set up the blow off for WM, which could go either way.

Speaking of Legacy, that was another good match. Best part was they actually let one of the legands sell for the young kids.

Best part of the whole match was the dx entrance when the crowd started the "you screwed brett" chants and Hunter went with "I know there was some.....unpleasantness in the past. And for the record....it was 100% his fault" Even the crowd had to laugh at that.

MAtch of the night, i thought, was actually Miz V. Kofi. Say what you want about miz, but he is solid in the ring and a great heel on the mic.

Taker-Punk was alright, that was just such and odd match to be on the "breaking point" card. You knew that they didn't want punk to lose the title, but you cant have taker tap. Best ending they could have gone with i guess.

Tag match was ok. I'm getting real sick and tired of jericho getting the stuffing kicked out of him and never getting any kind of offense in. I mean, he is one of your top workers, and night in and night out he sells for midcarders in the tag division and never gets to look strong never mind win. When is the last time that team beat anyone without the awful "ho-HO! i punched you!" finisher?

I dunno, i really, really regert edge getting injured. That team was fun to watch, because both guys were allowed to play the cocky heel, and they were both allowed to get offense in.


Now, to keep show's cred as a monster intact, one half of the team (Y2J) isn't allowed to look strong, since SOMEONE has to sell for the other team, and god forbid its show.

Just irks me. I know the WWE got put in a tough spot with edge going down, but i'm really starting to tire of the unstoppable big show and the little wuss storyline. Makes Jericho look extremely weak.

Christan-Regal was probably the second best match of the night, pure ring work wise. Christan needs to be rescued from ECW post haste. MAbey once the ROH guys get in, they can go to ECW to start out, make regal the champ, and get christan to smackdown. I mean, anything to get him more time. The fans barley get to see him, and he got probably...the third, mabey the fourth biggest pop all night?

With hardy gone and taker looking old, smackdown needs a new face. Via va captain charisma!

Oh yea, anytime the Kali-kane fued is over, that would be great...smackdown has a ton of fueds id rather see. I guess it did provide a 15 minute window for me to pop popcorn though.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on October 27, 2009, 01:11:22 AM
Been awhile since this thread came up, but did anyone watch raw tonight?

Wow, kofi kingston....I didn't know you had that in you buddy. Kofi is officially money after that segment.

I'll post the clip once it hits youtube for those who missed it, just blown away by that promo. If this fued with orton goes well, kofi could really take off.

I'm pulling for him. great move to use bragging rights to drop the whole fake jamican accent thing. Let that kid talk, he gave a killer promo right there just being himself and not "the fun loving Jamaican midcarder".

Please don't screw this up WWE, use that pop and GO KOFI!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: CDawg834 on October 27, 2009, 08:43:46 AM
Been awhile since this thread came up, but did anyone watch raw tonight?

Wow, kofi kingston....I didn't know you had that in you buddy. Kofi is officially money after that segment.

I'll post the clip once it hits youtube for those who missed it, just blown away by that promo. If this fued with orton goes well, kofi could really take off.

I'm pulling for him. great move to use bragging rights to drop the whole fake jamican accent thing. Let that kid talk, he gave a killer promo right there just being himself and not "the fun loving Jamaican midcarder".

Please don't screw this up WWE, use that pop and GO KOFI!

Yeah, that was a tremendous promo from Kofi.  He clearly has natural charisma and mic skills, so of course WWE creative saddles him with a Jamaican accent.  So glad they dropped that, as I was blown away by this promo.  Hopefully they are serious about moving some new guys up the card (given the crowd reactions for Kofi lately, they really had no choice but to push him).  I imagine this would lead to a Survivor Series match of Kofi vs. Orton, which will be a test run to see if the fans will buy Kofi as a potential main eventer.

On an unrelated note, how embarrassingly bad were Kyle Busch and Joey Logano?  They need to be more careful with the guest hosts as this was a disaster from the get go.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: crownsy on October 27, 2009, 11:22:46 AM
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2009/october22-28/12278228

thats a mix of the promo's between orton and kofi last night. worth a watch, some of the best programming they've done in awhile.

EDIT: ahhh man, they cut the part where kofi key'd the side of it, that was one of the best parts. Still worth the watch though.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: CDawg834 on October 27, 2009, 02:38:24 PM
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2009/october22-28/12278228

thats a mix of the promo's between orton and kofi last night. worth a watch, some of the best programming they've done in awhile.

EDIT: ahhh man, they cut the part where kofi key'd the side of it, that was one of the best parts. Still worth the watch though.

I thought back to myself on this segment again, and it just dawned on me how you never see storyline continuity like this from WWE creative anymore, where several complex storylines intertwine.  The impending Kofi-Orton feud actually makes sense from a logical standpoint (and WWE history has shown that continuity and storyline logic aren't exactly requirements in their minds).

Think about it...if Big Show doesn't turn on his team at Bragging Rights (separate storyline), then Kofi doesn't get pinned.  If Kofi doesn't get pinned, Cody Rhodes (Orton's lackey) doesnt lay out Kofi backstage, and Kofi in turn probably doesn't interfere on Cena's behalf in the main event, helping cost Orton the match.  Orton blames Kofi for the loss and you have a new, fresh feud that makes sense.  Not often you see WWE storylines have a forward-thinking, logical flow from one segment to another anymore, let alone across entire shows...good stuff from them.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Big_Matt34 on June 28, 2011, 06:56:50 PM
I had to pull this thread back from the grave because of CM Punk's epic GOAT promo last night. It's a worked shoot, but he said a ton of true stuff that alot of fans think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on June 28, 2011, 09:22:08 PM
Saw this live and thought it was the best work shoot in wrestling in 15 years or more. Just riveting watching it live not knowing whether it was shoot or work.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on June 28, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
I enjoyed the promo as well...very interested to see where it goes
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Roy H. on June 28, 2011, 09:54:33 PM
Did WWE hire the guy behind the Domino's ad campaign?  You know, "Our food sucks and tastes like cardboard, but now we're going to try to be slightly better"?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on June 28, 2011, 10:18:00 PM
Read online that much of the talent in the locker room wasn't aware that the promo was approved through management and were shocked and awed at what was going down.

Twitter reaction from former and current wrestlers was off the hook as many were claiming it was the best thing seen in the WWE in years and years.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: StartOrien on June 28, 2011, 10:25:06 PM
I thought it was incredible entertainment in every sense of the word. Not just limiting it to 'good for the WWE'
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Edgar on June 28, 2011, 10:55:04 PM
fun
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: ManUp on June 28, 2011, 11:34:51 PM
I haven't watch wrestling in years, that was cool very convincing too convincing. When he says he's leaving does he mean the WWE entirely? If so I wouldn't be surprised if he was serious and that was real. The only thing that makes me question is the fact that he got to go off for so long.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: StartOrien on June 28, 2011, 11:39:35 PM
I haven't watch wrestling in years, that was cool very convincing too convincing. When he says he's leaving does he mean the WWE entirely? If so I wouldn't be surprised if he was serious and that was real. The only thing that makes me question is the fact that he got to go off for so long.

I'll take the chance to plug my own tumblr in my signature. I watch wrestling occasionally, not a yuge fan, but was compelled enough to do some research on the angle and give my own thoughts on it.

Essentially, it's somewhat of a 'shoot' angle. The contract and his thoughts are reality played out in dramatic fashion.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 28, 2011, 11:49:49 PM
I had to pull this thread back from the grave because of CM Punk's epic GOAT promo last night. It's a worked shoot, but he said a ton of true stuff that alot of fans think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo)

I would have taken him more seriously if I knew who the heck he was. For all I know, he doesn't belong on those souvenir cups that's obviously irking him.

Pretty good job though, looked authentic. Would have liked to hear his story about Vince, liked how they cut if off right there and not anytime before.

I used to watch wrestling years ago, loved it actually. Love the 90's Federation years, early 00's were good too, but once Smackdown came along I kinda faded away. College ended it completely.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 29, 2011, 01:03:24 AM
I had to pull this thread back from the grave because of CM Punk's epic GOAT promo last night. It's a worked shoot, but he said a ton of true stuff that alot of fans think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9wnH66KxNo)

Best promo I've seen in years. WWE will REALLY be screwed without CM Punk. I'm pretty sure the non-Cenation fanbase would be really disappointed if WWE lets him walk. Hope it's just a time off.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Lord of Mikawa on June 29, 2011, 01:55:02 AM
After that promo I was like a little child. From what I've read on the dirtsheets, they let Punk wing that.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 29, 2011, 02:05:40 AM
After that promo I was like a little child. From what I've read on the dirtsheets, they let Punk wing that.

I know it's a worked shoot but heck I think Punk went a little too far on this. AND I LIKE IT.

There's just no way WWE will go "hey go shoot on us and slam Vince and Trips and Steph". That promo was PURE GOLD. I hope they don't screw this up again. Remember around this time last year they had Nexus and the uproar was crazy and then they screwed it up... Hope this is not it.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on June 29, 2011, 09:57:15 AM
After that promo I was like a little child. From what I've read on the dirtsheets, they let Punk wing that.

Wade Keller's take on pwtorch is worth reading though, because if it was a true shoot (or if he had true freedom) he would have mentioned true black eye marks, Steroids, TNA that sort of thing. He stayed with safe topics by and large that an "insider" or smark would know about, but wouldn't potentially hurt business
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 12, 2011, 04:13:23 AM
Just had to take it out. John Cena got booed in Boston. How'd that happen...? MITB was build really good, i'm so buying this PPV.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: cdif911 on July 26, 2011, 12:17:42 PM
talk about rushing an angle....
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 10, 2013, 06:42:15 PM
With what was a bit of a letdown WrestleMania ( outside of the Taker v Punk match ), the after Mania RAW was spectacular.

How awesome was that crowd. Ziggler cashing in the MITB contract and becomes World Champion (crowd and the booking of the match was great here too), Ryback turning heel (didn't feel like it), its been two years in a row that the after Mania RAW has delivered.

And Faaaaaaaaannn... daaaaaaaanng..... gooooooooooo.... That theme is still stuck in my head.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 19, 2013, 04:49:09 AM
That was one EPIC SummerSlam!

I won't spoil it any further for the people who haven't seen it yet but BY GOLLY that is worth every penny and pepperoni pizzas!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 28, 2013, 12:33:30 AM
PIPEBOMB!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afedl8HylCY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afedl8HylCY)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: PaulPierce34G on August 28, 2013, 12:45:11 AM
This may have been posteb already, but if not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLTdzJAIo4E
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 28, 2013, 02:10:37 PM
Had to share it, it's too great!

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/899904f519c1f1ba60b8c3bbb12a5ed2/tumblr_ms603eLs2W1scq4a8o1_500.png)
Title: WWE
Post by: StartOrien on August 29, 2013, 10:27:39 AM
I tried to find an already exisiting WWE thread, but no luck. Sorry.

But anyways, just finished reading this article by the Masked Man and thought it was absolutely fantastic. Anyone else read it / watch Raw on Monday?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9609037/wwe-villains-supposed-make-mad-cheer-about (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9609037/wwe-villains-supposed-make-mad-cheer-about)

The essence of the article is how difficult it is to make a real heel today, and how great of a job the WWE has done w/ this most recent Orton/HHH alliance. And I can't agree more: Might be a good time to buy stock in the WWE, I could see this angle being very profitable for them. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 29, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
I tried to find an already exisiting WWE thread, but no luck. Sorry.

But anyways, just finished reading this article by the Masked Man and thought it was absolutely fantastic. Anyone else read it / watch Raw on Monday?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9609037/wwe-villains-supposed-make-mad-cheer-about (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9609037/wwe-villains-supposed-make-mad-cheer-about)

The essence of the article is how difficult it is to make a real heel today, and how great of a job the WWE has done w/ this most recent Orton/HHH alliance. And I can't agree more: Might be a good time to buy stock in the WWE, I could see this angle being very profitable for them.

Blame the smarks.

Its all their fault. But honestly fans these days just cheer for what os entertaining, regardless of which side a character is on. So for HHH to make the fans really p---ed about what he did at SummerSlam was nothing short of brilliant.

That or Bryan is just so mad over that even the smart fans are marking out to to bigger heights.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 25, 2013, 02:22:20 AM
So who went to Survivor Series?

You guys brought it.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: TheGreenMonster on November 25, 2013, 05:59:06 AM
Another poor WWE PPV  :(
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 25, 2013, 08:05:36 AM
Another poor WWE PPV  :(

As every other Survivor Series.

At least they gave an intriguing ending. But the show was poor overall. Cena-Del Rio for the nth time, was good. Punk-Bryan vs Wyatts was good. The rest, meh.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 27, 2014, 08:11:41 AM
SO, the Royal Rumble went "well"...  ;D

I don't know if WWE hates itself or just completely oblovious to the fact that Daniel Bryan is a BIGGEST star they have.

Unlike the other people though, I though it was a decent Royal Rumble, with a GREAT opening match (MOTY). The other two we're not as energetic but I thought it was decent. The Rumble match itself was okay but sort of predictable. It did make a star out of Roman Reigns.

But Lord, the boos from that arena after realizing D-Bry is not in the Rumble... Rey Mysterio turned heel without even doing anything. Batista looked like he hasnt stepped in a cardio machine for 4 years.

The fans are revolting WWE. Good luck selling Batista and Orton at Wrestlemania.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on January 27, 2014, 08:22:47 AM
They are failing at creating excitement going into Wrestlemania. 



They can still recover, but last night was an embarrassing way to end a show.  They try to drown out the boos and chants for the guy who was not in the match with really loud music, and it didn't work.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 27, 2014, 08:34:11 AM
They are failing at creating excitement going into Wrestlemania. 



They can still recover, but last night was an embarrassing way to end a show.  They try to drown out the boos and chants for the guy who was not in the match with really loud music, and it didn't work.

Yep. Bryan basically has held WWE hostage and he hasn't done anything to do so.

I would not really mind Batista winning the Rumble, I think everyone in that show knew it would be Batista and a little longshot chance for CM Punk, but I think they are ready for it. But not having your biggest star in the biggest match of that PPV is just down right stupid. It dragged everything down the drain. The sad part is they had that little bull, JBL, R-Truth, spots who didnt even do anything instead of Bryan.

Could have had Bryan in there, get's eliminated by The Shield and it served purpose for both the faction and the show. That would have been microwave heat for the Shield. Or gets eliminated by Punk, who I think is the only one who wont get legit heat if he did so. But according to WWE, it's "nope, let's leave out our biggest star, because it's best for business."

The only way to salvage this is if Bryan wins in the Elimination Chamber or he face 'Taker for the streak. But you'r right. The end was bad, I thought the Rumble match was decent but they're trying everything they could to cover a blunder that should have been avoided.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on January 27, 2014, 01:24:08 PM
HHH, the steroid freak that he is, has always had a booking philosophy of bigger is better. Probably always will. Bryan and Punk, though wildly popular, are not the type of big, muscleheaded entertainers that HHH feels is the most marketable of assets.

Until a young large star like Reigns comes into his own, the WWE is going to continue with the trend of having guys like Batista, the Rock, and Shemus come back and be the focal points of championship pushes, especially now with only one world title.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 27, 2014, 01:41:20 PM
I miss the good ole WWF.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on January 27, 2014, 01:46:18 PM
There is still an angle in this.


Too many WWE employees commenting on the disappointment of Bryan not being in the Rumble.  About the WWE not listening to the fans. 


Title: Re: WWE
Post by: obnoxiousmime on January 28, 2014, 07:36:31 PM
Haven't watched a WWE event in probably a decade but was curious to see the Rumble due to Simmons hyping it on his podcasts.

My reaction is that the Rumble is the same as it ever was, just lots of stalling and resting before 1 of 2 or 3 legitimate contenders eventually wins. Entertaining as heck when you're a kid, a little less so when you're an adult. But I guess that would sum up most wrestling events for most people.

I don't know enough about Bryan's history to comment on this being buried talk, but I have to think the powers that be will eventually shift with the crowd. First, they'll just use the anger to drive interest before eventually finding some way to give the audience what it wants. You could see them doing this on Raw already.

The other thing I noticed is that there don't seem to be any really compelling heels. Orton's promos have not really impressed me. Brock might be able to fill those shoes but so far he just seems to be a wild animal. I think you need to have some mic skills and display intelligence to be a top heel. I'm not sure what to make of the return of Batista because I have no familiarity with him at all. The crowd seems completely indifferent to him and he's supposed to be a superstar! That suggests to me they might as well make them all heels (especially since Batista and Orton resemble each other).



Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on January 28, 2014, 07:56:06 PM
Rumor has it that Warrior and Hogan will have small parts at Wrestlemania. I'm not sure they will wrestle but who knows.That should draw some interest from fans from the older days.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 28, 2014, 08:09:19 PM
There is still an angle in this.


Too many WWE employees commenting on the disappointment of Bryan not being in the Rumble.  About the WWE not listening to the fans.

Triple H was trolling the IWC last night when he went "Aww, did someone didnt get what they wanted".

Part of me thinks I just fell in this WWE trap. That they really did not put Bryan in the Rumble on purpose to get legit heat for the "Authority". I think it worked to a charm.

And I think they are still pushing this "we don't want Bryan in the title so the fans would cry foul even more. I mean, I get it, the more we hate this, the more it will be even sweeter the moment Bryan gets his title reign.

HHH, the steroid freak that he is, has always had a booking philosophy of bigger is better. Probably always will. Bryan and Punk, though wildly popular, are not the type of big, muscleheaded entertainers that HHH feels is the most marketable of assets.

Until a young large star like Reigns comes into his own, the WWE is going to continue with the trend of having guys like Batista, the Rock, and Shemus come back and be the focal points of championship pushes, especially now with only one world title.

I think booking the big guys was Vince's style, and I don't the booking big is the reason why they are not putting those two on the top. This all stemmed from SummerSlam, with the "not so good" buy rates despite Bryan's popularity.

They still don't think Bryan and Punk can draw big money, despite their popularity. I mean they are internet darlings, but the IWC does not share the majority of PPV buyers, it's the Cenation and the others.

And as for Reigns, I'm still not sold. He looks good, and is booked perfect. But I need to see more, especially from the mic. I still dont think he can get me hooked up in a storyline involving him and just him alone. Ambrose is still the hot commodity out of that three IMO.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 28, 2014, 08:14:00 PM

The other thing I noticed is that there don't seem to be any really compelling heels. Orton's promos have not really impressed me. Brock might be able to fill those shoes but so far he just seems to be a wild animal. I think you need to have some mic skills and display intelligence to be a top heel. I'm not sure what to make of the return of Batista because I have no familiarity with him at all. The crowd seems completely indifferent to him and he's supposed to be a superstar! That suggests to me they might as well make them all heels (especially since Batista and Orton resemble each other).

CM Punk was the last compelling heel during his Taker feud. I thought Orton would be good as a heel, but HHH carried that all the way, he's boring.

I think Batista should turn. He's going to be legit. Especially now that he has got this heat from the Rumble.

But you're right. There's not a bad guy outside of Brock that I can really "believe" in. And the fact that they are missing the obvious and the easy solution baffles me.

They need that heel, and to do that, simple. Just screw Daniel Bryan off a championship and you get supernova heat. See Sheamus, see HHH, and see Rey Mysterio. And Mysterio did not even try to turn.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on January 28, 2014, 08:53:15 PM
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 28, 2014, 08:57:52 PM
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.

Ziggler has been legit hurt. But once again, he's one of those internet darlings (along with Punk and Bryan) that are popular but does not really draw anything.

And unfortunately it boils down to that. If they move merchandise like Cena, we probably would have seen a couple of Ziggler runs. Punk kinda held WWE hostage and got his, Bryan is starting to get there.

Cesaro, I'm still not sold if he can spark interest. He's indeed a technician in the ring, and his "spin move" is over. But can he carry a storyline? I still don't see a "character" from him other than this strong dude. His 5 language thing didnt really work.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: obnoxiousmime on January 28, 2014, 09:08:01 PM

The other thing I noticed is that there don't seem to be any really compelling heels. Orton's promos have not really impressed me. Brock might be able to fill those shoes but so far he just seems to be a wild animal. I think you need to have some mic skills and display intelligence to be a top heel. I'm not sure what to make of the return of Batista because I have no familiarity with him at all. The crowd seems completely indifferent to him and he's supposed to be a superstar! That suggests to me they might as well make them all heels (especially since Batista and Orton resemble each other).

CM Punk was the last compelling heel during his Taker feud. I thought Orton would be good as a heel, but HHH carried that all the way, he's boring.

I think Batista should turn. He's going to be legit. Especially now that he has got this heat from the Rumble.

But you're right. There's not a bad guy outside of Brock that I can really "believe" in. And the fact that they are missing the obvious and the easy solution baffles me.

They need that heel, and to do that, simple. Just screw Daniel Bryan off a championship and you get supernova heat. See Sheamus, see HHH, and see Rey Mysterio. And Mysterio did not even try to turn.

You're right, in the same way that they smartly aligned Cena and Sheamus with Bryan on Raw to transfer some of his positive heat over to them, they can simply perform the reverse procedure to establish one or more of the heels. It looks like eventually the Elimination Chamber will be those three aforementioned guys and Orton, Lesnar, and Batista. That would be a logical time for a heel turn, perhaps for Batista.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 29, 2014, 12:38:26 PM
So, CM Punk pulled a Steve Austin

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/CM_Punk_Expresses_Frustration_at_Batista_Returning_Says_His_Recent_Work_Hasn_t_Been_Good.html (http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/CM_Punk_Expresses_Frustration_at_Batista_Returning_Says_His_Recent_Work_Hasn_t_Been_Good.html)

http://www.ibtimes.com/cm-punk-quits-wwe-wrestler-reportedly-walks-out-company-ahead-wrestlemania-30-1550416 (http://www.ibtimes.com/cm-punk-quits-wwe-wrestler-reportedly-walks-out-company-ahead-wrestlemania-30-1550416)

This is so very unprofessional by Punk. But I can't blame him though.

So, they butchered the Royal Rumble, now one of their biggest stars has walked out. Not good, especially when the Network launch is coming on.

I want to know though, did Punk walk out because "he wasnt in the main event at 'Mania" or he just doesnt like the direction the WWE is going? I mean, he has a rumored Mania match with HHH, that's pretty big. I think this is more than just that. 

Or this is a work.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 29, 2014, 12:42:30 PM
People over the age of 13 still watch this stuff?

Man, I use to love wrestling.

Bring back Mankind!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 29, 2014, 12:48:21 PM
People over the age of 13 still watch this stuff?

Man, I use to love wrestling.

Bring back Mankind!

Call me 13 years old then.  ;D
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Donoghus on January 29, 2014, 01:10:19 PM
People over the age of 13 still watch this stuff?

Man, I use to love wrestling.

Bring back Mankind!

Call me 13 years old then.  ;D

Ha...  I went to a Monday Night Raw taping at the Worcester Centrum sometime in '98 or '99-ish. I was in high school. Mankind beat the Rock to win the title.  Fun stuff.  There was also a hardcore match involving the New Age Outlaws that ending up spilling outside on the sidewalk in the snow at some point.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Birdman on January 29, 2014, 01:24:31 PM
i say Sting will sign with the WWE...They need new blood in there, though Sting is in his mid 50's, he will bring more ppl to the shows and generate more money for Vince
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 29, 2014, 01:43:07 PM
i say Sting will sign with the WWE...They need new blood in there, though Sting is in his mid 50's, he will bring more ppl to the shows and generate more money for Vince

And this is actually why CM Punk is leaving (unless its a work).

The spotlights are being given to part timers, returnees and old timers who are indeed big names but are being pushed to the moon at a fast rate at the expense of young, up and coming talent.

While those young guys, who are hardworking, is there every step of the way, and is OVER (emphasis on that) is being put aside, not being promoted and used properly for the old timers.

Whatever Sting will draw, Daniel Bryan will if they had him win the Rumble. Batista can have his title shot, once he works his way up again. Sting will be treated the same way. Not saying it's not interesting, but once again another young talent will be buried in favor of him.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 24, 2014, 08:21:38 AM
The Wyatts vs The Shield.

Match of the Year.

Great atmosphere in the match, everybody is in to it, and for very good reasons. Perfectly built up by WWE. Got it right this time.

Great match!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 24, 2014, 01:23:03 PM
Elimination Chamber was great.

Matches we're awesome, intense and a little bit unpredictable. Of course D-Bry gets screwed again to p--- off the IWC.

But man, better than the ugly Rumble.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on February 24, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
Elimination Chamber was great.

Matches we're awesome, intense and a little bit unpredictable. Of course D-Bry gets screwed again to p--- off the IWC.

But man, better than the ugly Rumble.


There was a huge difference with the D-Bry ending though.  Cole ranting about how he has been treated since summerslam and the multiple shots of upset fans really point towards a big closing of that story line.



And no way can the advertised main event take place as is. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 24, 2014, 02:58:48 PM
Elimination Chamber was great.

Matches we're awesome, intense and a little bit unpredictable. Of course D-Bry gets screwed again to p--- off the IWC.

But man, better than the ugly Rumble.


There was a huge difference with the D-Bry ending though.  Cole ranting about how he has been treated since summerslam and the multiple shots of upset fans really point towards a big closing of that story line.



And no way can the advertised main event take place as is.

The chase of Bryan winning the championship is going to go longer than expected. But its the chase that makes it must watch tv.

He looks poised into taking on the Authority, and then the belts. So this angle may go in till MITB.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Finkelskyhook on February 24, 2014, 03:09:45 PM
i say Sting will sign with the WWE...They need new blood in there, though Sting is in his mid 50's, he will bring more ppl to the shows and generate more money for Vince

Bring him in as a manager....

Problem with bringing Sting, Hogan, and VanDam in is people get hurt.  Watching VanDam during his last stint trying to do the things he did 10 years a go was tedious and dangerous.  He looks like he's moving in slow motion.  There's no chemistry or timing in the ring with these guys unless their wrestling against each other. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on February 24, 2014, 05:02:07 PM
People over the age of 13 still watch this stuff?

Man, I use to love wrestling.

Bring back Mankind!

I say bring back Ric "Nature Boy" Flair, Ricky "The Dragon" SteamBoat, Baron Von Raschke, The Iron Sheik, Black Jack Mulligan, and JYD.

Now THOSE were the days, LOL. Any one of those would destroy these wimps nowadays. ;D

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtp7w4flX0CmBayjoZrHPrnoqqq-OSKxcCXu0aSxTq3Gqt4R5s)

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkej3bhDK7uVvdETzh4qidnWyuM4bo7RoXVNHReXOnp-8dGtPs1g)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWhwJza8P4VBkvtI0XYCNKTCtLHwq5iFo3C93IpDpiRA2EYaBRFg)

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmuacOXW-YMnQjo7FkZqYvbqJdC9diwKvPbWJWOP5NgzmC7Mgg)

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9h-D6WMSkqrIXlCia3-bSOBe17TTnFvICBzAjmBQrS0wtq9BQNQ)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWDf0ZAJ5eVu3tK8HAurXe_RO0aJxiotyEqdTxF9fAZJJyoWQz)



Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on February 24, 2014, 08:52:09 PM
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.

Ziggler has been legit hurt. But once again, he's one of those internet darlings (along with Punk and Bryan) that are popular but does not really draw anything.

And unfortunately it boils down to that. If they move merchandise like Cena, we probably would have seen a couple of Ziggler runs. Punk kinda held WWE hostage and got his, Bryan is starting to get there.

Cesaro, I'm still not sold if he can spark interest. He's indeed a technician in the ring, and his "spin move" is over. But can he carry a storyline? I still don't see a "character" from him other than this strong dude. His 5 language thing didnt really work.

Cesaro!!!

By the way, elimination chamber was terrible!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: barefacedmonk on February 24, 2014, 08:53:49 PM
People over the age of 13 still watch this stuff?


I was just about to post this same comment when I read the thread title. ;)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 24, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.

Ziggler has been legit hurt. But once again, he's one of those internet darlings (along with Punk and Bryan) that are popular but does not really draw anything.

And unfortunately it boils down to that. If they move merchandise like Cena, we probably would have seen a couple of Ziggler runs. Punk kinda held WWE hostage and got his, Bryan is starting to get there.

Cesaro, I'm still not sold if he can spark interest. He's indeed a technician in the ring, and his "spin move" is over. But can he carry a storyline? I still don't see a "character" from him other than this strong dude. His 5 language thing didnt really work.

Cesaro!!!

By the way, elimination chamber was terrible!

Disagree.

The match were good. The Chamber match was great but got predictable when Kane came in. But even then there was good match booking that you thought at the last minute Bryan could stil win. The showcased the entire 6 man talent well, including Cesaro, who was a treat to watch.

The rest of the matches were good.

And then the Shield - Wyatt match that stole the show. I thought it was way better than the rumble.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on February 24, 2014, 09:36:13 PM
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.

Ziggler has been legit hurt. But once again, he's one of those internet darlings (along with Punk and Bryan) that are popular but does not really draw anything.

And unfortunately it boils down to that. If they move merchandise like Cena, we probably would have seen a couple of Ziggler runs. Punk kinda held WWE hostage and got his, Bryan is starting to get there.

Cesaro, I'm still not sold if he can spark interest. He's indeed a technician in the ring, and his "spin move" is over. But can he carry a storyline? I still don't see a "character" from him other than this strong dude. His 5 language thing didnt really work.

Cesaro!!!

By the way, elimination chamber was terrible!

Disagree.

The match were good. The Chamber match was great but got predictable when Kane came in. But even then there was good match booking that you thought at the last minute Bryan could stil win. The showcased the entire 6 man talent well, including Cesaro, who was a treat to watch.

The rest of the matches were good.

And then the Shield - Wyatt match that stole the show. I thought it was way bVicioushan the rumble.

I found it very predictable and boring. No way Christian or Cesaro were going to win. Wrestlemania 30 looks like it's going to be a stinker. I don't want to see:

Lesnar vs Undertaker
Wyatt's vs Cena
Batista vs Orton
Bryan vs Kane/HHH
Cesaro vs Jack Swagger

It might end up being worse than the Undertaker vs Sid Vicious   Wrestlemania.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 24, 2014, 09:52:56 PM
The WWE has a bad product right now. Sometimes they just don't know what they got. Cesaro and Zigler need major pushes. But I have to see the same boring storylines with the same boring wrestlers week after week after week.

Ziggler has been legit hurt. But once again, he's one of those internet darlings (along with Punk and Bryan) that are popular but does not really draw anything.

And unfortunately it boils down to that. If they move merchandise like Cena, we probably would have seen a couple of Ziggler runs. Punk kinda held WWE hostage and got his, Bryan is starting to get there.

Cesaro, I'm still not sold if he can spark interest. He's indeed a technician in the ring, and his "spin move" is over. But can he carry a storyline? I still don't see a "character" from him other than this strong dude. His 5 language thing didnt really work.

Cesaro!!!

By the way, elimination chamber was terrible!

Disagree.

The match were good. The Chamber match was great but got predictable when Kane came in. But even then there was good match booking that you thought at the last minute Bryan could stil win. The showcased the entire 6 man talent well, including Cesaro, who was a treat to watch.

The rest of the matches were good.

And then the Shield - Wyatt match that stole the show. I thought it was way bVicioushan the rumble.

I found it very predictable and boring. No way Christian or Cesaro were going to win. Wrestlemania 30 looks like it's going to be a stinker. I don't want to see:

Lesnar vs Undertaker
Wyatt's vs Cena
Batista vs Orton
Bryan vs Kane/HHH
Cesaro vs Jack Swagger

It might end up being worse than the Undertaker vs Sid Vicious   Wrestlemania.

The Wyatt - Shield was unpredictable as it could have been.

I think the chamber match was indeed predictable, but in a sense that it will be either Bryan or Orton, and I thought that they booked that well. The match itself was entertaining, despite the predictability you mentioned.

Agree with Wrestlemania. I can be excited with Bryan - HHH as they have been building that angle long before. But I don't want to see a Bootista - Boreton main event. I think they'll have to do double duty building that match as that thing has no interest, at all.

IDK who Taker is going to fight, Lesnar? Yeah that's boring. Wyatt vs Cena is okay, if you want Bray going over.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on February 27, 2014, 06:47:07 AM
Why aren't they bringing back my favourite heel of all time, Kurt Angle?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on February 27, 2014, 07:03:03 AM
Why aren't they bringing back my favourite heel of all time, Kurt Angle?


He is under contract with another company.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 27, 2014, 07:19:44 AM
Just like watching the LeBron play in the NBA he is a face and gets all the calls.   
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on February 27, 2014, 07:41:34 AM
Just like watching the LeBron play in the NBA he is a face and gets all the calls.


Except in the WWE, the officials only miss the call when they are distracted and looking the other way.   ;D
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Finkelskyhook on March 01, 2014, 11:33:00 AM
Just like watching the LeBron play in the NBA he is a face and gets all the calls.


Except in the WWE, the officials only miss the call when they are distracted and looking the other way.   ;D

lol....Sad part is you're exactly right.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 02, 2014, 12:23:08 PM
OH BOY!

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0302/571795/cm-punk-expected-to-return-at-monday-raw-in-chicago/ (http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0302/571795/cm-punk-expected-to-return-at-monday-raw-in-chicago/)

Monday Night Raw will be live in Chicago, March 3rd. And we all know Punk is from Chicago.

Punk's departure already prompted a Hijack Raw Twiteer feed.

https://twitter.com/hijackraw (https://twitter.com/hijackraw)

Very excited for this episode tomorrow night.

With that in mind, the creative of HijackRaw made some pretty funny memes.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhuLNW7CMAAsTrZ.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhudseRIAAAUs5N.jpg)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 03, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
This Chicago crowd is AWESOME!!!

LOL
(http://www.wrestlinglol.com/images/introducing-barack-lesnar-4998.jpg)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: freshinthehouse on March 03, 2014, 11:20:37 PM
Haha who is that standing on the turnbuckle?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 03, 2014, 11:23:45 PM
Haha who is that standing on the turnbuckle?

Brock Lesnar.

His name has became a wrestling meme of its own. Coz his manager, Paul Heyman introduces him as "BUURRRRACK LESSSNNNAAARRRR!".

Some mighty folks from the Internet came up with this golden egg.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 04, 2014, 02:02:28 AM
So the rumored CM Punk return didn't happen, much to the disappointment of that tremendous crowd.

I was pumped, and felt cheated when he didn't show up. Good job, WWE.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2014, 08:47:16 AM
So the rumored CM Punk return didn't happen, much to the disappointment of that tremendous crowd.

I was pumped, and felt cheated when he didn't show up. Good job, WWE.

This is where I reveal myself to be a true nerd -

But this whole Punk think has given me a new appreciation for John Cena as a wrestler/employee. Details haven't come out, but it certainly seems like Punk didn't like where things were heading for his character and he decided to take his ball and go home. His dispute lies with HHH, who has a history of backstage politicking which questionably led to a few burials.

Cena? He's the biggest name going, and the only thing he does is do what's asked of him - Does the job when he should do the job, wins when he needs to win. Half the crowds vehemently boo'ng him and he doesn't ask for a change. Just keeps his head down and does his job
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: bdm860 on March 04, 2014, 10:55:13 AM
So the rumored CM Punk return didn't happen, much to the disappointment of that tremendous crowd.

I was pumped, and felt cheated when he didn't show up. Good job, WWE.

This is where I reveal myself to be a true nerd -

But this whole Punk think has given me a new appreciation for John Cena as a wrestler/employee. Details haven't come out, but it certainly seems like Punk didn't like where things were heading for his character and he decided to take his ball and go home. His dispute lies with HHH, who has a history of backstage politicking which questionably led to a few burials.

Cena? He's the biggest name going, and the only thing he does is do what's asked of him - Does the job when he should do the job, wins when he needs to win. Half the crowds vehemently boo'ng him and he doesn't ask for a change. Just keeps his head down and does his job

This whole thing makes me dislike Punk as a person even more (he always came off kind of selfish to me).

Here’s a guy that’s been given so many great opportunities.  Here we have a guy who has had a longer single championship reign than anybody in the modern era other than Hulk Hogan at 434 days.  That’s longer than Cena, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, The Rock, Stone Cold, Bret Hart, etc.  And he probably had a great chance of ending up Top 5  in the modern era for longest combined reigns had he stuck around.

Here’s a guy that has probably headlined more pay per views over the last few years other than Cena.  He’s headlined over a dozen pay per views and got to face the legends like The Rock, The Undertaker, as well as John Cena.  How many guys on the current roster have faced both The Rock and The Undertaker?

Here’s a guy that’s been given so much, but still not happy because he’s not headlining WrestleMania and because he doesn’t have the biggest spotlight on him.  It’s like if Tim Duncan got mad that somebody was always more popular than him, from Shaq to Kobe to LeBron, even though he was still always one of the most respected and best players in the game and was always working hard.  Just face it, the Finals you headlined didn’t draw the ratings the other guys did.  And even though we put you in a lot of national TV games, we’re sorry  that we feature the Heat and Lakers more than you, but they just pull better ratings.

There’s nothing wrong with being the Macho Man to John Cena’s Hulk Hogan, but he can’t take it.  Unless this all really is just a work, which some people think it is (though maybe that theory took a little bit of a blow when he didn't show up on Raw last night...)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: fitzhickey on March 04, 2014, 11:07:01 AM
Always loved Cena. I really agree with what's been said above about Punk. He should be extremely content with what he's been given. But I guess that's just his personality
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 04, 2014, 11:20:58 AM
So the rumored CM Punk return didn't happen, much to the disappointment of that tremendous crowd.

I was pumped, and felt cheated when he didn't show up. Good job, WWE.

This is where I reveal myself to be a true nerd -

But this whole Punk think has given me a new appreciation for John Cena as a wrestler/employee. Details haven't come out, but it certainly seems like Punk didn't like where things were heading for his character and he decided to take his ball and go home. His dispute lies with HHH, who has a history of backstage politicking which questionably led to a few burials.

Cena? He's the biggest name going, and the only thing he does is do what's asked of him - Does the job when he should do the job, wins when he needs to win. Half the crowds vehemently boo'ng him and he doesn't ask for a change. Just keeps his head down and does his job

This whole thing makes me dislike Punk as a person even more (he always came off kind of selfish to me).

Here’s a guy that’s been given so many great opportunities.  Here we have a guy who has had a longer single championship reign than anybody in the modern era other than Hulk Hogan at 434 days.  That’s longer than Cena, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, The Rock, Stone Cold, Bret Hart, etc.  And he probably had a great chance of ending up Top 5  in the modern era for combined reigns had he stuck around.

Here’s a guy that has probably headlined more pay per views over the last few years other than Cena.  He’s headlined over a dozen pay per views and got to face the legends like The Rock, The Undertaker, as well as John Cena.  How many guys on the current roster have faced both The Rock and The Undertaker?

Here’s a guy that’s been given so much, but still not happy because he’s not headlining WrestleMania and because he doesn’t have the biggest spotlight on him.  It’s like if Tim Duncan got mad that somebody was always more popular than him, from Shaq to Kobe to LeBron, even though he was still always one of the most respected and best players in the game and was always working hard.  Just face it, the Finals you headlined didn’t draw the ratings the other guys did.  And even though we put you in a lot of national TV games, we’re sorry  that we feature the Heat and Lakers more than you, but they just pull better ratings.

There’s nothing wrong with being the Macho Man to John Cena’s Hulk Hogan, but he can’t take it.  Unless this all really is just a work, which some people think it is (though maybe that theory took a little bit of a blow when he didn't show up on Raw last night...)

I dont know the REAL story, but from what I've read, I have to disagree.

Punk did not leave because he doesnt have the main spotlight, well, part of the reason is that.

From what I've read, he left because he got fed up having part timers (started with the Rock) being gone for years, comes back, and jumps over the main event scene. I think the Royal Rumble was the last straw.

As much as people hate it, everyone is behind Bryan. And everyone wants to see DB at WrestleMania, and from what I've read, Punk is behind that. Why not? The people want to see it. But they are force feeding us Batista and Orton. Batista, who have been gone for four years, all of a sudden gets main event spot at the biggest show of the year. Pretty much the exact same thing as the Rock last year.

Is it unprofessional? Sure. But his name is Punk for all things, and I think this is some sort of a protest not just for himself, but for the hardworking men in that locker room that has been there all the time, that deserves the spot even more than part timers. And that includes him, banged up, broken ribs and messed up knees and all and he still shows up, gives an awesome match.

I don't blame him from walking out one bit. Shoot or work.

And as for Cena. I respect what he does, the IWC does too. He gets booed because his character is stale. And he doest ask for change because despite facing Bray Wyatt in WrestleMania, he and every WWE watchers know that at some point he'll be back in the top.

He doesnt have to worry about that spot, it's a matter of time. Compare to the guys like Ziggler, Bryan and slowly building, Cesaro, who paid dues, worked as hard, fans loved but WWE keeps ignoring because "they dont sell T-Shirts". Business side, I understand, but Creative wise, isn't that their fault that they couldnt build a much interesting storyline for these guys so people would be more hooked up on them than they already are?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2014, 11:53:26 AM
Nothing has slowed down 'the Yes Movement' quite like CM Punk's departure, and nothing could bring it to more of a halt than his return.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 04, 2014, 12:06:57 PM
Nothing has slowed down 'the Yes Movement' quite like CM Punk's departure, and nothing could bring it to more of a halt than his return.

Doubt it.

The IWC and the "after PPV fans" are rooting for both guys. Unless they will feud again against each other (which will be epic seeming as DB is bigger now than before), I dont think it will slow down Bryan, there's just going to be two big faces.

SummerSlam proved it. Punk and Bryan are in a big hyped match and both of them got their pops.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: StartOrien on March 04, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
When Punk was with the company, but the spotlight was off him D-Bry was red hot.

I hated the Rumble, but at the end - intentionally or not - the spotlight shined bright on him and his character alone.

Punk leaving took it off Bryan a little, and his return would bring all fan's interest to him.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: bdm860 on March 04, 2014, 12:48:35 PM
So the rumored CM Punk return didn't happen, much to the disappointment of that tremendous crowd.

I was pumped, and felt cheated when he didn't show up. Good job, WWE.

This is where I reveal myself to be a true nerd -

But this whole Punk think has given me a new appreciation for John Cena as a wrestler/employee. Details haven't come out, but it certainly seems like Punk didn't like where things were heading for his character and he decided to take his ball and go home. His dispute lies with HHH, who has a history of backstage politicking which questionably led to a few burials.

Cena? He's the biggest name going, and the only thing he does is do what's asked of him - Does the job when he should do the job, wins when he needs to win. Half the crowds vehemently boo'ng him and he doesn't ask for a change. Just keeps his head down and does his job

This whole thing makes me dislike Punk as a person even more (he always came off kind of selfish to me).

Here’s a guy that’s been given so many great opportunities.  Here we have a guy who has had a longer single championship reign than anybody in the modern era other than Hulk Hogan at 434 days.  That’s longer than Cena, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, The Rock, Stone Cold, Bret Hart, etc.  And he probably had a great chance of ending up Top 5  in the modern era for combined reigns had he stuck around.

Here’s a guy that has probably headlined more pay per views over the last few years other than Cena.  He’s headlined over a dozen pay per views and got to face the legends like The Rock, The Undertaker, as well as John Cena.  How many guys on the current roster have faced both The Rock and The Undertaker?

Here’s a guy that’s been given so much, but still not happy because he’s not headlining WrestleMania and because he doesn’t have the biggest spotlight on him.  It’s like if Tim Duncan got mad that somebody was always more popular than him, from Shaq to Kobe to LeBron, even though he was still always one of the most respected and best players in the game and was always working hard.  Just face it, the Finals you headlined didn’t draw the ratings the other guys did.  And even though we put you in a lot of national TV games, we’re sorry  that we feature the Heat and Lakers more than you, but they just pull better ratings.

There’s nothing wrong with being the Macho Man to John Cena’s Hulk Hogan, but he can’t take it.  Unless this all really is just a work, which some people think it is (though maybe that theory took a little bit of a blow when he didn't show up on Raw last night...)

I dont know the REAL story, but from what I've read, I have to disagree.

Punk did not leave because he doesnt have the main spotlight, well, part of the reason is that.

From what I've read, he left because he got fed up having part timers (started with the Rock) being gone for years, comes back, and jumps over the main event scene. I think the Royal Rumble was the last straw.

As much as people hate it, everyone is behind Bryan. And everyone wants to see DB at WrestleMania, and from what I've read, Punk is behind that. Why not? The people want to see it. But they are force feeding us Batista and Orton. Batista, who have been gone for four years, all of a sudden gets main event spot at the biggest show of the year. Pretty much the exact same thing as the Rock last year.

Is it unprofessional? Sure. But his name is Punk for all things, and I think this is some sort of a protest not just for himself, but for the hardworking men in that locker room that has been there all the time, that deserves the spot even more than part timers. And that includes him, banged up, broken ribs and messed up knees and all and he still shows up, gives an awesome match.

I don't blame him from walking out one bit. Shoot or work.

And as for Cena. I respect what he does, the IWC does too. He gets booed because his character is stale. And he doest ask for change because despite facing Bray Wyatt in WrestleMania, he and every WWE watchers know that at some point he'll be back in the top.

He doesnt have to worry about that spot, it's a matter of time. Compare to the guys like Ziggler, Bryan and slowly building, Cesaro, who paid dues, worked as hard, fans loved but WWE keeps ignoring because "they dont sell T-Shirts". Business side, I understand, but Creative wise, isn't that their fault that they couldnt build a much interesting storyline for these guys so people would be more hooked up on them than they already are?

Oh I agree with what you’re saying  about Cena, the direction, and the part timers (though I think it’s wrong of him to get mad about The Rock because he’s just so over and put in a lot of work in the past, Lesnar and Batista he can get mad about though), and we don't know the real story, etc.

To me, part of it is the overall direction of the company, and part of it is his role.

Personally, I think it’s a lot more to do with his role, than the direction.  I wouldn’t even be surprised if he was using the whole direction thing just as an excuse to make it seem like he’s not just looking out for himself.

He’s complained about not being the main event at WrestleMania before, he said he didn’t want to face Undertaker at WM29 (because he couldn't win, and some believe because it wasn't the main event).  (Though granted if you ask me for hard sources on this stuff, I’ll probably come up blank.)  He’s just a guy that always complained, even before the current wave of part timers were coming back to wrestle.

He complained about The Rock hosting WM27, before he was even wrestling part time again.  That comes off as bitter and selfish to me.  CM Punk might know how to wrestle and work a mic, but has no clue how to run a wrestling business.  Wrestling is 100% about the buy rates, the gates, and the merchandise sales.  Why doesn't he go back to ROH?  When you get to the big stage, you need to understand it’s a business.  If you sell, you’ll be heavily featured and in the main events, if you don’t you won’t get pushed as much and they’ll try to bring in somebody who does sell.

Featuring part time talent and bringing in outsiders is nothing new, it’s been happening in pro wrestling from the beginning of the modern era.  From Mr. T to Big John Studd to Zeus to Hulk Hogan wrestling only PPVs, to the Ultimate Warrior to NFL players to guys switching promotions and going right into the main events to Vince McMahon to Mike Tyson to Floyd Mayweather, etc.  If Punk doesn't like it, he’s either an idiot or a jerk, because this has been going on in wrestling from the beginning.

You know he wouldn't be protesting if he was facing Batista or Lesnar in the main event.  That tells me it’s more about his role than the direction of the company.

But still, Orton vs Batista ???  Ok maybe I’d be frustrated too lol.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 04, 2014, 12:58:58 PM
When Punk was with the company, but the spotlight was off him D-Bry was red hot.

I hated the Rumble, but at the end - intentionally or not - the spotlight shined bright on him and his character alone.

Punk leaving took it off Bryan a little, and his return would bring all fan's interest to him.

Bryan not being in the Rumble at all put it at a fever pitch. And then it got even more rad when everyone read that Punk left because they we're burying Bryan (of course that's not the only reason).

As a reply to bdm80 (the convo is too long to quote).

Lesnar is actually one part timer everyone got behind. Because he did not get to the main event picture, heck, he's not even in the title contention still and he's been back about a year now.

As to what I read, he was upset with The Rock, especially dropping the title to a part timer while he was doing his work as the best heel in the company (along with Heyman).

Then he's upset at Batista because (again according to the rumors) he was slated to win the Rumble but gave it to Batista instead.

Is it selfish? To a degree but I get where he's at. It's not just really about him. It's about the promotion giving the main event spots to people who dont deserve the spots. If he's doing it just for himself, he could have easily just ran through till July when his contract expires, get  that big WM30 paycheck and just dont resign. It doesnt make sense to lose that much money when you're gone in about 4 months anyway.

The fact that he walked out after the Rumble, completely saying kick rocks to everything is a message. A message that says he's done with the direction the company is headed and would absolutely not care of the consequences. Either for selfish reasons or for the rest of the locker room, I applaud what he did. As a fan, I would not want to see Orton and Batista at the main event at 'Mania. But WWE is shoving it in our throats because they think it will work. They had weeks to realize that people (including the marks) want DB in there but they still wouldn't do it. People want to see HHH - Punk but they are pushing a Kane feud instead. The Tag division is a joke. The US and IC titles are jokes. And they are more focused on the Total Divas than developing them in the ring and on their TV program. That's WWE these days. No wonder Punk got fed up.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: freshinthehouse on March 06, 2014, 07:57:25 PM
Which belt is supposed to carry more cachet, the IC or the US?  And is the the old WCW belt a bigger deal than the WWE championship?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: furball on March 06, 2014, 08:07:21 PM
Which belt is supposed to carry more cachet, the IC or the US?  And is the the old WCW belt a bigger deal than the WWE championship?

The IC belt is bigger (hell Ambrose never bothers to defend the US belt). the WWE Belt and the old WCW belt have been combined although Orton still carries both of them ( i think they will separate them again).  Before that though, the WWE belt was the real Champ. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 06, 2014, 08:41:43 PM
Which belt is supposed to carry more cachet, the IC or the US?  And is the the old WCW belt a bigger deal than the WWE championship?

I think history tells us that it's supposed to be the IC.

IC is the measuring stick to see if a talent is "Main Event ready".

Never saw that in the US Title, even in the WCW days.

But the way WWE are booking both titles, both are just golden belts with no value.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 05, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
So, who's watching Wrestlemania XXX.

Honestly, this probably the least excited ive been in a WM, and I followed it religiously since XVII. They fid not build up the Taker - Brock feud enough IMO to garner interest. The secndary belts are not even gping to be defended. And were going to be stuck with possibly a 40 minute Battle Royal for nothing (well, its to honor Andre but still). 

I hope the Tag Team guys steal the show. Would like AJ Lee to retain. But really the only thing im pumped is the Bryan - Aitch match. That was perfectly built amd while it could be very predictable, im intere sted in how it goes along. But the other matches, including the Main Event, eh...

But atleast im not paying 60 bucks for it thanks to thr Network.

Anyone here excited about it, or feel the same way is I am?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: fitzhickey on April 05, 2014, 07:52:34 PM
So, who's watching Wrestlemania XXX.

Honestly, this probably the least excited ive been in a WM, and I followed it religiously since XVII. They fid not build up the Taker - Brock feud enough IMO to garner interest. The secndary belts are not even gping to be defended. And were going to be stuck with possibly a 40 minute Battle Royal for nothing (well, its to honor Andre but still). 

I hope the Tag Team guys steal the show. Would like AJ Lee to retain. But really the only thing im pumped is the Bryan - Aitch match. That was perfectly built amd while it could be very predictable, im intere sted in how it goes along. But the other matches, including the Main Event, eh...

But atleast im not paying 60 bucks for it thanks to thr Network.

Anyone here excited about it, or feel the same way is I am?
I always get excited about Wrestlemania, but I'm not as pumped for this one as previous ones. I'm not as into it as my brother, but I still like to watch it on and off
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 06:48:18 PM
The Tag Team championship four way dance is awesome. What a start!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
Glass shatters...

STEVE AUSTIN is in the building, with Hogan. Boy, this is a moment.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 07:16:29 PM
Rock is also in tje building!

Hogan, Rock and Hogan at the same ring... Wish they fight... But hey, thats how you pump tje show!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 08:08:39 PM
Perhaps the most predictable match of the night, was actually very good. The end sequence was even better. Makes the rest of the night more "interesting".
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
Everyone knew the Shield would win but, man they dominated that entire match.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 08:30:42 PM
Wow. Cesaro with a WrestleMania moment. I wad wrong about tje Battle Royal. That was goos.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Smokeeye123 on April 06, 2014, 08:31:03 PM
I wish I could watch this, alas I am at college and only have basic cable
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 09:51:02 PM
Cena - Wyatt match was okay, to say the least.

This Undertaker - Lesnar match however, God, so boring...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 09:56:38 PM
OMG BROCK JUST BEAT THE STREAK!!!

DAT SWERVE!!!

The match was a sleeper, then the result woke me up. Speechless, surprised and impressed.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 10:09:31 PM
Holy fish sticks. That is probably the biggest swerve of the decade.

Everyone in the SuperDome is stunned. Everyone in the house is stunned.

Kudos WWE for having the guts to pull that off. But the mark in me is upset for various reasons.

WOW.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: gpap on April 06, 2014, 10:36:34 PM
I'll admit, I was a huge wrestling fan in the late 80s throughout the 90s. Loved Hogan, Bret Hart, Macho Man, nWo, Goldberg, etc.

I was actually at WrestleMania 14 when they came to Boston and also caught Nitro when WCW came to Boston back in 1998.

As I got older, I started to lose interest but still catch it from time to time.

I heard Hogan, Austin and Rock had a cool segment.

Just a couple questions for those who saw the event

-Did CM Punk return?

-Did Sting make an appearance?

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: greg683x on April 06, 2014, 10:43:37 PM
Holy fish sticks. That is probably the biggest swerve of the decade.

Everyone in the SuperDome is stunned. Everyone in the house is stunned.

Kudos WWE for having the guts to pull that off. But the mark in me is upset for various reasons.

WOW.

he had to lose some time!  hes like 50 years old and they keep trotting him back out there every year for this, him losing is the only way this can end and he can retire.  Im guessing Takers appearances are going to get even more scarce than they already are.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 10:54:37 PM
GREAT MAIN EVENT! This is actually a great WrestleMania, sincr I thought it was probably the least excited.

Took you on an emotional roller coaster ride, swerves and near swerves, near falls, drama. Great WrestleMania!

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Clench123 on April 06, 2014, 10:57:16 PM
The streak was broken in the most anticlimatic fashion EVER. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 11:01:30 PM
The streak was broken in the most anticlimatic fashion EVER.

True. Which makes the swerve even more hard hitting. It was probably the most boring match of the night, I enjoyed the 10 minute Divas match more than that. But the way it was anti climatic, it takes you out of your zone. You get speechless, you cant believe it.

All the elements of a great swerve. When it sinks in, you'll realize it was perfect. Especially since they had to put everyone again in a high state of emotion in the Main Event. They booked this WM perfect, and I'm ashamed to admit that I was least excited coming in. Ended up enjoying the whole thing.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Smokeeye123 on April 06, 2014, 11:18:01 PM
I haven't watched it but it sounds kind of lame. If the undertaker is retiring I understand this, but Lesnar? I'd rather have someone respectable end it like the rock, stone cold, basically anyone other than Lesnar.

Also no CM Punk. I guess he'd really gone which is a shame.

And I hate Daniel Bryan with a passion. Don't get the lovefest for him.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Rondo9 on April 06, 2014, 11:26:57 PM
Why do you hate Bryan?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 06, 2014, 11:28:09 PM
I haven't watched it but it sounds kind of lame. If the undertaker is retiring I understand this, but Lesnar? I'd rather have someone respectable end it like the rock, stone cold, basically anyone other than Lesnar.

Also no CM Punk. I guess he'd really gone which is a shame.

And I hate Daniel Bryan with a passion. Don't get the lovefest for him.

I agree in a sense with Lesnar. With the way Brock's character has been portrayed, kayfave wise he is a threat to tje streak. They juat did not build ul the feud the correct way. If this has the build up of last year like CM Punk's shot, it would have been more interesting.

But, and I say it again, that's whenthe swerve hits deep. No one thought Lesnar would do it. Punk had a "shot" last year and a lot believed he had. Lesnar was not built up like that, and WWE decides to screw everybody.

It also makes sense, you put the fans in disbelief, angst, on an emotional lowest of lows. Then hype them up by having Bryan win the title.

Also, was hoping for a CM Punk run in as well. Guess he really is DONE.

And while I respect your opinion about Bryan, I can explain the lovefest. In a way he's now the new Stone Cold, but tuned down. His bosses dont want him in the top, but this blue collar guy, despite his lack of "superstar" size finds ways to win and be in the conversation. And if were going smart fans perspective, he earned it. He's a guy who was known in the Indies, worked his way up, was given a chance and took it and made a lot with it. And despite not having the physique, he made up witj it with ring abilities and charisma. Wrestling fans respect that.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 09, 2014, 01:33:08 AM
RIP Jim Hellwig aka The Ultimate Warrior.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/08/ultimate-warrior-dead-dies-wwe/ (http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/08/ultimate-warrior-dead-dies-wwe/)

WOW! 2 days ago he looked alive, well, and redeemed in the HOF only to pass away a couple of days later.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Rondo9 on April 09, 2014, 01:42:30 AM
Wow..... He looked great to me last night! Rest in peace one of my favorite wrestlers.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Birdman on April 09, 2014, 07:26:25 AM
RIP Ultimate Warrior...Just came back to the WWE..Feels like he was saying goodbye, scary actually..Didint look to good Monday..Dang hate this or anyone who passes away at a young age..
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on April 09, 2014, 07:28:05 AM
Thanks for the memories Warrior...RIP

EDIT: Just saw his promo on Monday's Raw. Rather spooky that he talked about people's hearts stopping, taking their last breaths and living on in memories and stories. That's hair raising stuff there.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: jarufu on April 09, 2014, 07:32:43 AM
One of my favourites back in the day. RIP.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Donoghus on April 09, 2014, 07:58:33 AM
Hogan & Ultimate Warrior were the two main guys during my first foray into wrestling as a fan during the early 90s.  Can't forget Wrestlemania VI or the Savage/Warrior career match in VII.  The funeral parlor where his head started bleeding was classic stuff too.

Definitely one of the main faces of wrestling when I was a kid.  54? Wow.  These wrestlers just all seem to go out young.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: pearljammer10 on April 09, 2014, 08:50:10 AM
Thanks for the memories Warrior...RIP

EDIT: Just saw his promo on Monday's Raw. Rather spooky that he talked about people's hearts stopping, taking their last breaths and living on in memories and stories. That's hair raising stuff there.

Hearing about this just now gives me chills. Maybe he knew something was up. Eerie.


Hogan & Ultimate Warrior were the two main guys during my first foray into wrestling as a fan during the early 90s.  Can't forget Wrestlemania VI or the Savage/Warrior career match in VII.  The funeral parlor where his head started bleeding was classic stuff too.

Definitely one of the main faces of wrestling when I was a kid.  54? Wow.  These wrestlers just all seem to go out young.

It really is an interesting correlation so to speak. The age of wrestlers and their unfortunate early exits. Can only wonder what they're doing to their bodies and hearts to see the trend continually repeat.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: gpap on April 09, 2014, 08:55:42 AM
Wow, that's awful.

Was just on Raw two nights ago!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: gpap on April 09, 2014, 09:01:58 AM
Thanks for the memories Warrior...RIP

EDIT: Just saw his promo on Monday's Raw. Rather spooky that he talked about people's hearts stopping, taking their last breaths and living on in memories and stories. That's hair raising stuff there.

Hearing about this just now gives me chills. Maybe he knew something was up. Eerie.


Hogan & Ultimate Warrior were the two main guys during my first foray into wrestling as a fan during the early 90s.  Can't forget Wrestlemania VI or the Savage/Warrior career match in VII.  The funeral parlor where his head started bleeding was classic stuff too.

Definitely one of the main faces of wrestling when I was a kid.  54? Wow.  These wrestlers just all seem to go out young.

It really is an interesting correlation so to speak. The age of wrestlers and their unfortunate early exits. Can only wonder what they're doing to their bodies and hearts to see the trend continually repeat.

Unfortunately, alot of wrestlers like Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude, Big Boss Man, Brian Pillman, Davey Boy Smith all died from either drug overdose or "heart issues" which were related to drug overdose.

I suspect the same MAY have been the case with Randy Savage as he died of a "sudden heart attack" while driving in his car.

The Chris Benoit situation was very, very bizarre. I believe he was taking steroids and also suffered severe head trauma from wrestling related injuries which led to that HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE incident.

The only wrestler I am aware off that died of a freak cause was Owen Hart. Sad part about that is ironically enough, Owen seemed like he was the most down to earth guy out of all the wrestlers.

As for the Warrior, I still haven't read or found out how he passed away. I know from how chisled he looked during his prime in the 80s and early 90s, many people suspected he was on roids.
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Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on April 11, 2014, 02:03:24 AM
Last but not least was Eddie Guererro. His feud with Kurt Angle was a thing of beauty. WWE is definitely lacking in 'characters,' if I could put it like that, these days.
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Post by: freshinthehouse on April 11, 2014, 04:51:42 AM
Being a full-time pro wrestler is brutal to your body years ago I saw a documentary about wrestling that had a segment with some doctors in sports medicine on a panel.  They all agreed that being an active pro wrestler is the equivalent of being in 40-60 NFL games a year.  The human body isn't meant to take that kind of beating without getting hurt.  But in wrestling, especially when you're starting out, missing time is a career killer, so you get guys that medicate with pills and all sorts of other stuff to kill the pain.  Throw in that they are young guys in a new city each night, there is a good chance you will develop some kind of alcohol or drug problem.  It's definitely a recipe for a short life.
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Post by: j804 on April 11, 2014, 05:23:36 AM
RIP the Warrior grew up watching him. I was just watching the WWE hall of fame induction today some great stuff on there, chokes me up a bit at times WWF those were the good ol days

 >:(
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Post by: Celtics4ever on April 11, 2014, 06:14:32 AM
May he rest in Peace. 

Steroids, the lifestyle it's not good for you.   This is the life of an Achilles, short, glorious like a meteor flashing the sky.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 29, 2014, 08:06:50 PM
So, who's in the Garden right now watching MITB?

I'm excited, this MITB is probably one of the most unpredictable PPV so far. Rooting for a Cesaro win!
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 29, 2014, 08:22:17 PM
Holy Lord that was a GREAT opening match. That was awesome Tag Team action.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 29, 2014, 10:56:45 PM
Great PPV, Cena winning it is a smarks's nightmare but I'd like to see where they are going with this.

Awesome MITB!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:32:08 AM
So who's ready for SummerSlam?

I like how they built the Cena-Brock Title match. I never thought I'd be pumped in a Cena match. Also excited for the Ambrose-Rollins Lumberjack, those two can work.

But the most interesting match on the card I would really like to see is Brie Bella - Stephanie McMahon. Oh they perfectly built this storyline. Im not expecting an A class match, but there's just so much drama on that feud you cant help but just tune in.

SummerSlam is tonight! Of course, you can watch it for only $9.99.  ;D
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Post by: Birdman on August 17, 2014, 10:37:06 AM
So who's ready for SummerSlam?

I like how they built the Cena-Brock Title match. I never thought I'd be pumped in a Cena match. Also excited for the Ambrose-Rollins Lumberjack, those two can work.

But the most interesting match on the card I would really like to see is Brie Bella - Stephanie McMahon. Oh they perfectly built this storyline. Im not expecting an A class match, but there's just so much drama on that feud you cant help but just tune in.

SummerSlam is tonight! Of course, you can watch it for only $9.99.  ;D
Brock will win and I expect Sting to make a apperance
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 11:07:50 AM
So who's ready for SummerSlam?

I like how they built the Cena-Brock Title match. I never thought I'd be pumped in a Cena match. Also excited for the Ambrose-Rollins Lumberjack, those two can work.

But the most interesting match on the card I would really like to see is Brie Bella - Stephanie McMahon. Oh they perfectly built this storyline. Im not expecting an A class match, but there's just so much drama on that feud you cant help but just tune in.

SummerSlam is tonight! Of course, you can watch it for only $9.99.  ;D
Brock will win and I expect Sting to make a apperance

It makes total sense for Brock to win. But hey, if they can swerve us in WrestleMania i think they can at SummerSlam. Although a Cena win wouldnt really be of purpose.

Sting appearing. Not really excited about him anymore, really. I dont see a feud for him thats worthwhile. He could have been in the Streak feud drew money. Now who's he going for? Brock?
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Post by: obnoxiousmime on August 17, 2014, 11:59:14 AM
It would make sense for Brock to win because he needs to build on the momentum he gained from Wrestlemania. Cena is already evergreen and a loss would not affect him at all. That being said, doesn't Brock always work on temporary contracts? The WWE champion should be a full-timer. Perhaps they will have him lose the belt in one of those post PPV Raw reversals.

Oh yeah, Brock winning would also be Heyman winning, and he's established himself as the de facto top heel right now even though he's just a manager.

At some point Roman Reigns will get into the picture but they could drag the Cena thing out for another PPV probably.

Isn't Sting like 50+ years old? I know he wears makeup, but still... that's too old.
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Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 12:17:30 PM
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match.  I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.



I am not looking forward to the following matches:  two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 12:53:42 PM
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match.  I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.



I am not looking forward to the following matches:  two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.

The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.

As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.

Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.
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Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 01:19:20 PM
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match.  I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.



I am not looking forward to the following matches:  two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.

The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.

As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.

Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.


I am worried about the reports from the house shows that their matches have not been good.
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Post by: mgent on August 17, 2014, 01:24:18 PM
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match.  I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.



I am not looking forward to the following matches:  two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.

The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.

As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.

Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.
Totally agree.  Although, I tend to believe Brock will hurt everybody, the way he just eats every hit is ridiculous!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match.  I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.



I am not looking forward to the following matches:  two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.

The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.

As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.

Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.


I am worried about the reports from the house shows that their matches have not been good.

That i didnt know. Im not tuned into the news. Wait, who's "their"?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 01:29:51 PM
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match.  I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.



I am not looking forward to the following matches:  two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.

The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.

As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.

Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.


I am worried about the reports from the house shows that their matches have not been good.

That i didnt know. Im not tuned into the news. Wait, who's "their"?


Orton-Reigns


I still think they would have been better off with a heel Jericho vs. Reigns.  He probably could have learned a lot more that way. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 01:40:35 PM
Looking forward to the Cena-Brock match.  I think it only makes sense for Brock to win and keep the title until Wrestlemania.



I am not looking forward to the following matches:  two ladies matches and the Reigns-Orton match.

The Brock - Cena match was built to perfection. They had these UFC style promos on Brock that just got you hooked in. You really believe this guy will hurt Cena. And Heyman is gold.

As for the ladies. I dont expect a good Steph - Brie match, but its a progression of a really ineteresting storyline stemming from last year. AJ and Paige can work the ring, i just thought they built up that feud properly. We could be having another Lita-Trish feud, but they just dont put any focus on the ladies.

Orton and Reigns, in very not into. But i expect a good match.


I am worried about the reports from the house shows that their matches have not been good.

That i didnt know. Im not tuned into the news. Wait, who's "their"?


Orton-Reigns


I still think they would have been better off with a heel Jericho vs. Reigns.  He probably could have learned a lot more that way.

Oh... Well, so much for anticipating a good match then.

I agree with the Jericho thing, but Orton and Reigns are stuck in this feud for a while.  We may not see that. Orton ibguess just doesnt move the needle when it comes to interest. I mean, he need Aitch to get heat. No one will admit this, but Orton's character is much more boring than Cena's.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 08:07:06 PM
SummerSlam!

Can we get to the Brock - Cena match already! ;D
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 08:11:00 PM
I just saw Bill Simmons front row. This event just became legit!
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 08:21:16 PM
Decent opening match. I was expecting a little high spot or two, i didnt see none. But good opening match.

Marked out on the Ziggler win...  ;D
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Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 08:27:33 PM
Decent opening match. I was expecting a little high spot or two, i didnt see none. But good opening match.

Marked out on the Ziggler win...  ;D


Sort of kills the momentum of making Miz's new character. 
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 08:35:23 PM
Wow. I kind of wanted more of that Diva's Title match.

That was great, but was so short...

Decent opening match. I was expecting a little high spot or two, i didnt see none. But good opening match.

Marked out on the Ziggler win...  ;D


Sort of kills the momentum of making Miz's new character. 

I like it. It stretches the storyline. I think Miz can still get heat without the belt.

WE THE PEOPLE!




Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 08:53:28 PM
AMAZING MATCH!

Both sold well, the unpredictability helped, and the pace was amazing. And the finish was good, Rusev looked strong but Swagger didnt end up weak either.

Great match. Didnt expect it was going to be that good. And the heat generating move in the end, NICE!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:01:25 PM
Cant wait for this Ambrose - Rollins match.

I hope this is going to be good. This feud has been stellar.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on August 17, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
Best lumberjack match I have ever seen. Show stealer for sure.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:11:34 PM
HOLY LORD!  AMBROSE AND ROLLINS! MATCH OF THE NIGHT!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 09:13:26 PM
Best lumberjack match I have ever seen. Show stealer for sure.


Yep.  They found a way to do something new with an old match style.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:14:33 PM
Wow. The rest of the card have been put on notice. Top that.

Thats was an incredible match.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 09:15:43 PM
Which poor group goes next?  The crowd will need at least a match to recover. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:17:43 PM
Which poor group goes next?  The crowd will need at least a match to recover.

Jericho - Wyatt. Man, im still pumped after that Lumberjack match.

And dang. I dont get sick of his entrance. Amazing
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on August 17, 2014, 09:17:56 PM
Which poor group goes next?  The crowd will need at least a match to recover.
kind of predictable I would be Wyatt/Jericho. They have been nap inducing in their program.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:20:50 PM
Which poor group goes next?  The crowd will need at least a match to recover.
kind of predictable I would be Wyatt/Jericho. They have been nap inducing in their program.

Agreed. This one feud Jericho wasnt able to carry. Hope the match ia diffrent than the build up.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:29:35 PM
LOL. Jericho saying "ask him" never fails to make me laugh.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: mr. dee on August 17, 2014, 09:29:55 PM
Somehow, this match is lacking compared to the earlier lumberjack match.


BTW, this is my first time watching WWE  live again for almost half-decade. I got bored with the PG era so I stopped watching. Hope this new era of wrestling sparks my interest again.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:35:27 PM
Somehow, this match is lacking compared to the earlier lumberjack match.


BTW, this is my first time watching WWE  live again for almost half-decade. I got bored with the PG era so I stopped watching. Hope this new era of wrestling sparks my interest again.

The match is actually good. Its just that when you witness something incredible, its hard to top.Its actualky a good thing. The crowd was treated to a good match, at the same time, gives up time to recover from that frenzy Lumberjack match to have some more energy for the next two, one of them is storyline wise the biggest, and the main event.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:37:29 PM
Dont expect a good match with these two ladies. But expect good story telling and drama. This is a year brewing. Its not really the main story but it keeps the Bryan vs Authority alive.
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Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 09:42:25 PM
Dont expect a good match with these two ladies. But expect good story telling and drama. This is a year brewing. Its not really the main story but it keeps the Bryan vs Authority alive.


These two matches should have been flipped.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
Dont expect a good match with these two ladies. But expect good story telling and drama. This is a year brewing. Its not really the main story but it keeps the Bryan vs Authority alive.


These two matches should have been flipped.

Disagree. The crowd is behind this feud. You dont want it being the filler after a good match.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:53:15 PM
I KNEW IT! I SAW IT FROM A MILE AWAY! YES!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 09:54:14 PM
Wow. 



Now we are going to get a boring Bella vs. Bella program. 



Thank's E network.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:54:45 PM
That was actually a better match than i thought. Brie carried that match well. And the swerve...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 09:55:59 PM
Wow. 



Now we are going to get a boring Bella vs. Bella program. 



Thank's E network.

Nah. I think its still Authority vs Bryan here, just more characters involved.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on August 17, 2014, 10:00:15 PM
Was hoping the match involved a Daniel Bryan return.

Nikki vs Brie....blah!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 10:01:27 PM
LOL I forgot that Orton and Reigns would still go at it.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on August 17, 2014, 10:03:05 PM
Is BRET HART wrestling tonight?

sippin
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 10:19:59 PM
I wish Reigns loses the theatrics on that Superman punch. It think theres a great shock factor/pop on that move without the kiddie theatrics.

That was actually a good match.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 10:22:32 PM
I wish Reigns loses the theatrics on that Superman punch. It think theres a great shock factor/pop on that move without the kiddie theatrics.

That was actually a good match.


Very true.


Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 10:26:54 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen.

Its Brock time.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 10:30:58 PM
If Cena puts Brock over and they end this feud at NOC, whos next in line? Reigns?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 10:34:47 PM
Wha!?

This is going to be great.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: mr. dee on August 17, 2014, 10:36:20 PM
I'm tired of Cena always coming as the main event. He should really take a backseat  for a while. Is Brock still a part-timer?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 10:39:55 PM
I'm tired of Cena always coming as the main event. He should really take a backseat  for a while. Is Brock still a part-timer?

Brock has been pretty regular lately. As for Cena, i dont mind him in the main event, im just tired of this Hulk Hogan version 2 character.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 10:48:10 PM
I expected a physical match but gosh darn... Wow.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 10:49:53 PM
Brock dominated.


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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 10:51:58 PM
Brock dominated.

Was that the finish or did Cena got legit hurt and just called an audible? Wow, i mean Cena puts people over, but, man, Cena looking so weak? Something is up here...

That or Cena just sold that match to perfection.
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Post by: wdleehi on August 17, 2014, 10:53:07 PM
Brock dominated.

Was that the finish or did Cena got legit hurt and just called an audible? Wow, i mean Cena puts people over, but, man, Cena looking so weak? Something is up here...


Yes, the next big "superstar" is going to be the one who beat Brock.  Until then, Brock kills everyone. 
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 17, 2014, 10:59:53 PM
Brock dominated.

Was that the finish or did Cena got legit hurt and just called an audible? Wow, i mean Cena puts people over, but, man, Cena looking so weak? Something is up here...


Yes, the next big "superstar" is going to be the one who beat Brock.  Until then, Brock kills everyone.

But that match felt, well, incomplete. Surely Cena could have mustered more offense than that. If that's the plan, boy, they sure did go very good to make Brock the indestructible force.

It just felt weird to me. Although, that was a 20 minute or so match, so it wasnt short. It felt exactly like the Taker match, you thought there's more, then finish.

Either way, Brock sure looked strong. Hope he's stays full time now.
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Post by: davemonsterband on August 18, 2014, 02:32:58 AM
Nope, there's nothing weird about it. The plan for months has been for Cena to get Brock over and make him seem utterly unbeatable so that they can pass the torch to Roman Reigns and have him beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania with an absolute ton of buildup and hype. Sorry to let the cat out of the bag if you'd rather not know, but this is all a big plan to make Rock's nephew the next great one. It's common knowledge on wrestling podcasts, etc.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 18, 2014, 08:40:32 AM
Nope, there's nothing weird about it. The plan for months has been for Cena to get Brock over and make him seem utterly unbeatable so that they can pass the torch to Roman Reigns and have him beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania with an absolute ton of buildup and hype. Sorry to let the cat out of the bag if you'd rather not know, but this is all a big plan to make Rock's nephew the next great one. It's common knowledge on wrestling podcasts, etc.

Guess I just marked on how Cena sold the match like a champion. It just felt incomplete to me. I just cant possibly expect a squash match in the main event of the 2nd biggest show of the year.

I know that Brock was going to get over, but squashing the champion?
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Post by: davemonsterband on August 18, 2014, 11:56:36 AM
I see your point, but he's going to get it back. He always does. He demolished the Undertaker so I for one appreciate a little consistency for a change, it was definitely strange, though.
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Post by: SportsCanuck on August 18, 2014, 12:40:19 PM
Brock dominated.

Was that the finish or did Cena got legit hurt and just called an audible? Wow, i mean Cena puts people over, but, man, Cena looking so weak? Something is up here...

That or Cena just sold that match to perfection.

Cena just sold Brock as a legitimate bad-ass. It was the right move putting the WWE Title on Brock, it sells him strong after he ended the streak at WrestleMania. Anyone who defeats the Undertaker at WrestleMania should automatically receive a title shot.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 18, 2014, 02:29:21 PM
Brock dominated.

Was that the finish or did Cena got legit hurt and just called an audible? Wow, i mean Cena puts people over, but, man, Cena looking so weak? Something is up here...

That or Cena just sold that match to perfection.

Cena just sold Brock as a legitimate bad-ass. It was the right move putting the WWE Title on Brock, it sells him strong after he ended the streak at WrestleMania. Anyone who defeats the Undertaker at WrestleMania should automatically receive a title shot.

Oh i agree. It'll actually make a better face superstar, whoever he is that will defeat Brock.

I just believe that they decded it'll be a squadh match. I love the outcome dont get me wrong. But Cena getting squashed made me speculate that he got legit hurt and just ended the match there.

Wow. Im still in awe of it.
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Post by: obnoxiousmime on August 26, 2014, 01:02:18 PM
Nope, there's nothing weird about it. The plan for months has been for Cena to get Brock over and make him seem utterly unbeatable so that they can pass the torch to Roman Reigns and have him beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania with an absolute ton of buildup and hype. Sorry to let the cat out of the bag if you'd rather not know, but this is all a big plan to make Rock's nephew the next great one. It's common knowledge on wrestling podcasts, etc.

Don't follow a lot of the pods/commentary (besides Grantland and random Yahoo/Bleacher Report stuff), but that falls in line with what I thought would happen before the match, though I definitely didn't think it would be a squash. Reigns is going to be in line for the eventual title match for Wrestlemania, that's logical. However, I think they need to be careful with how predictable that plan is. As Lesnar's win against Undertaker was so effective because it was unexpected, another poor Cena showing would be just as ineffective due to the inevitability of it.

The other issue is that Cena is not a traditional top face in that a lot of smarks actually root against him. That combined with the fact that Heyman is so on his game right now is why people were actually cheering for Brock during that match and a lot of the promos before/after. If they're not careful they're going to turn Lesnar into a face during this program which might start to solidify. Heyman's mic skills are just too entertaining, especially when contrasted with Cena's bland and well-worn "never give up" cliches.

I accept that Reigns eventually will be the one to win the belt from Lesnar (he already beat Orton, what other top heel is there to win it from?) but I would love for it to be less predictable scenario. For instance, let's say Bryan didn't have to have Tommy John surgery and could be back in a few months. They could have done some scenario where multiple faces are vying for a shot at Brock.

The trick in storytelling is to get to the inevitable conclusion in an unexpected way. But hey, it's wrestling and things change all the time. People get hurt, or feuds/wrestlers don't get over as expected. I just think that this Cena/Lesnar feud will not have the expected effect the WWE is looking for.
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Post by: Finkelskyhook on August 26, 2014, 03:08:02 PM
Heyman's mic skills are just too entertaining, especially when contrasted with Cena's bland and well-worn "never give up" cliches.


Heyman has been so neutered by the WWE.  He sounds completely robotic and boring.  YouTube some of the Paul E. Dangerously stuff to see what he's truly capable of.  He appears to be so restricted to script that he comes across somebody carefully reading something for the first time.
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Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 26, 2014, 03:10:46 PM
Heyman's mic skills are just too entertaining, especially when contrasted with Cena's bland and well-worn "never give up" cliches.


Heyman has been so neutered by the WWE.  He sounds completely robotic and boring.  YouTube some of the Paul E. Dangerously stuff to see what he's truly capable of.  He appears to be so restricted to script that he comes across somebody carefully reading something for the first time.

Agreed.

If you enjoy PG Paul Heyman, you're going to love the unfiltered Paul. Not that he's not doing a phenomenal job right now, but he is being restricted by the PG era.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: SportsCanuck on August 29, 2014, 02:33:58 AM
Heyman's mic skills are just too entertaining, especially when contrasted with Cena's bland and well-worn "never give up" cliches.


Heyman has been so neutered by the WWE.  He sounds completely robotic and boring.  YouTube some of the Paul E. Dangerously stuff to see what he's truly capable of.  He appears to be so restricted to script that he comes across somebody carefully reading something for the first time.

I don't think Heyman is neutered by the WWE, he's just evloved as a heel and an effective manager who speaks intelligently on behalf of Brock Lesnar, which makes the fans hate him even more. He was intense in ECW, but that was a lifetime ago, he's older and wiser on how to help get Lesnar over.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: SportsCanuck on August 29, 2014, 02:37:29 AM
Nope, there's nothing weird about it. The plan for months has been for Cena to get Brock over and make him seem utterly unbeatable so that they can pass the torch to Roman Reigns and have him beat Lesnar at Wrestlemania with an absolute ton of buildup and hype. Sorry to let the cat out of the bag if you'd rather not know, but this is all a big plan to make Rock's nephew the next great one. It's common knowledge on wrestling podcasts, etc.

What irritates me about WWE is Vince and the writers are always nervous to take Cena off of television for more than one week, because it affects the company's TV ratings, (or so the company thinks) Cena coming back one week after SummerSlam basically devalued the story-line that Lesnar is unstoppable.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on October 26, 2014, 10:49:00 PM
This Ambrose-Rollins feud is absolute gold. And their having a brutal Hell in a Cell match.

Possibly the only reason to watch WWE these days. Un - freaking - real, the lengths these two guys will go.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on October 26, 2014, 10:56:28 PM
What the heck just happened???

Bray...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 07:57:27 PM
Anyone watching Survivor Series tonight. It's free on the Network.

The interest has sparked on this Team Cena vs Team Authority match. Im not sure how the match will turn out but storyline wise, they built it up enough to gain a ton of interest.

Very excited for that match, not sure about the rest though. Oh, Wyatt - Ambrose should be a good one to.

It's free on the Network tonight, cant beat that.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 08:08:19 PM
It's in St. Louis?

I predict a Randy Orton return here.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 08:25:44 PM
My God, Damien Mizdow is probably the best thing that has ever happened to that man.

He's so over, entertaining to watch. I love him!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on November 23, 2014, 08:27:12 PM
Word has it Sting will finally make his WWE debut.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 08:30:14 PM
Word has it Sting will finally make his WWE debut.

I heard. I wasnt going to spoil it, but that's what I've read. Would be interesting.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on November 23, 2014, 08:34:13 PM
Word has it Sting will finally make his WWE debut.

I heard. I wasnt going to spoil it, but that's what I've read. Would be interesting.

Spoilers in wrestling  is who wins matches. People showing up get people to watch.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 08:38:08 PM
Word has it Sting will finally make his WWE debut.

I heard. I wasnt going to spoil it, but that's what I've read. Would be interesting.

Spoilers in wrestling  is who wins matches. People showing up get people to watch.

Fair point. Taken.

Yeah. I heard Orton and Sting are coming out tonight. To what capacity, im not sure.

Watching Sting debut for free? Good value.

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Wow. I just marked out loud!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on November 23, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
Word has it Sting will finally make his WWE debut.

I heard. I wasnt going to spoil it, but that's what I've read. Would be interesting.

Spoilers in wrestling  is who wins matches. People showing up get people to watch.

Fair point. Taken.

Yeah. I heard Orton and Sting is coming out tonight. To what capacity, im not sure.

Watching Sting debut for free? Good value.

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Wow. I just marked out loud!

Tp!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 08:45:39 PM
Great Fatal Four way Tag Team match. Very entertaining.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 09:12:17 PM
Ambrose vs Wyatt.

Really looking forward to this match.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 09:38:48 PM
Ambrose vs Wyatt.

Really looking forward to this match.

This was a treat to watch. Got even more interesting in the end.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 09:54:22 PM
Wow. The Divas Championship was a surprise...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 10:55:43 PM
I knew that he's slated to come in and debut tonight but WOW.

I marked out like a kid! Holy Lord... What a moment...

Sting...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: ronaldo943 on November 23, 2014, 10:59:55 PM
Want to start getting back to being a WWE fan and boy do I love reading your comments Yoki.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 23, 2014, 11:03:06 PM
Want to start getting back to being a WWE fan and boy do I love reading your comments Yoki.

TP!

It's still not interesting as the Attitude Era/Monday Night Wars days, but I just cant stray away from it.

It's still fun. Most of the storylines are still entertaining.

You should start by watching Raw tomorrow. The entire main storyline just got shifted, it should be a good way to come back.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: mr. dee on November 23, 2014, 11:44:21 PM
I'll watch WWE regularly once Kurt Angle returns. How's the  contract negotiation going?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 24, 2014, 12:10:34 AM
I'll watch WWE regularly once Kurt Angle returns. How's the  contract negotiation going?

Not sure about it. All I know is he wants a Brock Lesnar kind of contract and schedule and WWE said no to it.

In the meantime, the Network is free for another week. Survivor Series was great. The main event match was very unpredictable, the overall card was good, and you get to see Sting for the first time in a WWE ring. And you can watch it without paying. Give it a shot.

And no, WWE is not paying me to promote the Network. But a good deal is a good deal.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Csfan1984 on November 24, 2014, 12:34:15 AM
It's too bad it couldn't be the Wrestling network for $15 a month that would be awesome to get all the wrestling programs and ppv on one site and low fee. I'd go for that. I'm too neutral to subscribe to wwe.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 27, 2014, 06:30:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxHRJnZsinQ

Punk is telling his side of the story.

(Podcast contains profanity, you have been warned. Im not sure if I'm breaking Forums rules but if this is not allowed, please delete, and I apologize in advance).
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on November 27, 2014, 06:44:52 PM
almost 2 hour long...

i tried..fell off..

go on with out me..i'll cover you

*sippin*
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 27, 2014, 06:47:06 PM
almost 2 hour long...

i tried..fell off..

go on with out me..i'll cover you

*sippin*

I'm really interested. We havent had closure on this, and I think he's providing it on that Podcast.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on November 27, 2014, 06:58:45 PM
almost 2 hour long...

i tried..fell off..

go on with out me..i'll cover you

*sippin*

I'm really interested. We havent had closure on this, and I think he's providing it on that Podcast.

i did listen on
 
only thing that he confirmed was that winners are predetermined and the fights are staged.

these guys... which i believe are the hardest working people in sports "entertainment" ...mark henry had a broken knee and performed every night....they all want that fat contract.dolla dolla bill yall..

and what they go thru..i understand

owen heart dead and many other with life long injuries..get that money..ufc fighter can make money only if the win...the losers hardly have enuff to cover hospital bills
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 27, 2014, 07:15:29 PM
almost 2 hour long...

i tried..fell off..

go on with out me..i'll cover you

*sippin*

I'm really interested. We havent had closure on this, and I think he's providing it on that Podcast.

i did listen on
 
only thing that he confirmed was that winners are predetermined and the fights are staged.

these guys... which i believe are the hardest working people in sports "entertainment" ...mark henry had a broken knee and performed every night....they all want that fat contract.dolla dolla bill yall..

and what they go thru..i understand

owen heart dead and many other with life long injuries..get that money..ufc fighter can make money only if the win...the losers hardly have enuff to cover hospital bills

Im an hour in. He's been talking about how many bad business dealings he's been in, wrestling injured and not having a long term plan for feuds. Which could be the case.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on November 27, 2014, 07:41:41 PM
Is it real yet?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nacceltic on November 27, 2014, 11:25:08 PM
This was fantastic..TP.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: aingeforthree on November 28, 2014, 03:48:12 AM
Punk must still be delusional from all those concussions.

*Yes, you did quit. Took your ball and went home. You told HHH & Vince you were done & said goodbye out of the blue. If that isn't quitting, what is ?

*You worked a main event at Wrestlemania. For the past 15 + years, any opponent who went up against the Undertaker at Wrestlemania was main eventing. That's a huge match and opportunity. Why be ungrateful for that opportunity ?

*You're on the same level as HHH, Taker, Brock and Cena ? You truly believe they can't lace your boots ? That's horse pucky. I love the mind set, but you're lying to yourself.

*You don't like working for Vince, the organization, or how they do things.....but you loved cashing royalty checks. You loved it so much you went out and cleaned out your garage one day only to find one worth far more than 10k. What person with a brain leaves that sitting around ?

Concussions are real. Also, kids, don't do drugs.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: aingeforthree on November 28, 2014, 01:02:28 PM
For the record, I do agree with him about the medical stuff he brings up. If that staph infection story is true, that's disgusting. The rest of his story is bunk though.

Punk is right and WWE is at fault although I do believe he’s exaggerating. I say that because it seems like he wants to have his cake and eat it too and I reckon his attitude was a big contributing factor not only to the creative side of things but with the medical stuff. Everybody works hurt. They all do it. That doesn’t make it right but it’s the way WWE has always been. These guys know what the schedule is before they sign up. Again, I’m not excusing it but when you go into something knowing what you’re up against and still complain, it’s kind of a mute point. It does highlight just how severe the schedule is though and that's perhaps the most [dang]ing thing about the whole interview; WWE medical.

Being the 'best' in a subjective 'sport' is an issue in itself. It's not a real sport. He's so wrapped up in his own self that he doesn't realize what business he's in. He's obviously got a huge ego. I find it odd he says he's difficult to work with yet lays the blame on everybody else. That's insane.

The pay issue is another false narrative. Punk had a good what ? 2 years being 'the guy' ? How does that make him feel he's owed money like 20 year veterans ? HHH , Taker, Cena, the Rock ? Cena's closer to his status but he's been on top for a decade. Brock Lesnar is a special case in himself, & Punk's nowhere close to that level. He's nowhere close to being entitled to the same money & nothing he says can change that.

At some point you have to be grateful for the company setting you up for success. This person is nowhere near that and seems a bit self entitled.  That's a shame considering this company put him on the map. He wouldn't even have a comic gig without the company he's trashing.

Getting fired on his wedding day was poor, but wasn't his wedding day a secret ?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 07, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
Interesting...

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/11991124/cm-punk-joins-ufc-fight-2015 (http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/11991124/cm-punk-joins-ufc-fight-2015)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: obnoxiousmime on December 07, 2014, 01:05:11 PM
I think Punk made a lot of great points about the problems inside WWE. Specifically:

1) Too much micromanagement and competing agendas among management.
2) Lack of any clear direction regarding booking.
3) Poor talent relations staff that is unknowledgeable about wrestling and also fail to actually represent the wrestler's concerns.
4) Too many writers and not enough wrestler input into promos/storylines.
5) Conflict between attempting to be a true 21st century corporation while still maintaining unprofessional traditional wrestling and family business-style practices.
6) Conflict of interest with doctors who are employed by the WWE.
7) Bad concussion policy.
8) Bad vacation policy.
9) Emphasis on former stars for PPV events when they don't necessarily still provide the best matches and usually have shoehorned-in storylines.
10) Lack of confidence in pushing new stars over old ones.
11) Prejudice against smaller-sized wrestlers (he didn't bring this up specifically but I'm throwing it in there).
12) Possibly making the wrong decision(s) with the implementation of WWE Network (to be continued).
13) Abiding too strictly to the PG-friendly era.
14) Promoting Cena so hard that it overshadows other stars on the roster.
15) El Torito.

OK, I made the last one up.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 07, 2014, 01:39:15 PM
I think Punk made a lot of great points about the problems inside WWE. Specifically:

1) Too much micromanagement and competing agendas among management.
2) Lack of any clear direction regarding booking.
3) Poor talent relations staff that is unknowledgeable about wrestling and also fail to actually represent the wrestler's concerns.
4) Too many writers and not enough wrestler input into promos/storylines.
5) Conflict between attempting to be a true 21st century corporation while still maintaining unprofessional traditional wrestling and family business-style practices.
6) Conflict of interest with doctors who are employed by the WWE.
7) Bad concussion policy.
8) Bad vacation policy.
9) Emphasis on former stars for PPV events when they don't necessarily still provide the best matches and usually have shoehorned-in storylines.
10) Lack of confidence in pushing new stars over old ones.
11) Prejudice against smaller-sized wrestlers (he didn't bring this up specifically but I'm throwing it in there).
12) Possibly making the wrong decision(s) with the implementation of WWE Network (to be continued).
13) Abiding too strictly to the PG-friendly era.
14) Promoting Cena so hard that it overshadows other stars on the roster.
15) El Torito.

OK, I made the last one up.


Could not have said it any better. TP.

To me I got it when Punk kind of told that WWE is so short sighted. No future plans for their Superstars. When he jobbed to part timers and he said what's next and they told him that "they don't know", that's the problem.

It's hard to be engaged in that environment knowing that your current feud would be your last and you'd lose all momentum after it.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: obnoxiousmime on December 07, 2014, 02:07:40 PM
I think Punk made a lot of great points about the problems inside WWE. Specifically:

1) Too much micromanagement and competing agendas among management.
2) Lack of any clear direction regarding booking.
3) Poor talent relations staff that is unknowledgeable about wrestling and also fail to actually represent the wrestler's concerns.
4) Too many writers and not enough wrestler input into promos/storylines.
5) Conflict between attempting to be a true 21st century corporation while still maintaining unprofessional traditional wrestling and family business-style practices.
6) Conflict of interest with doctors who are employed by the WWE.
7) Bad concussion policy.
8) Bad vacation policy.
9) Emphasis on former stars for PPV events when they don't necessarily still provide the best matches and usually have shoehorned-in storylines.
10) Lack of confidence in pushing new stars over old ones.
11) Prejudice against smaller-sized wrestlers (he didn't bring this up specifically but I'm throwing it in there).
12) Possibly making the wrong decision(s) with the implementation of WWE Network (to be continued).
13) Abiding too strictly to the PG-friendly era.
14) Promoting Cena so hard that it overshadows other stars on the roster.
15) El Torito.

OK, I made the last one up.


Could not have said it any better. TP.

To me I got it when Punk kind of told that WWE is so short sighted. No future plans for their Superstars. When he jobbed to part timers and he said what's next and they told him that "they don't know", that's the problem.

It's hard to be engaged in that environment knowing that your current feud would be your last and you'd lose all momentum after it.

To be fair, I think the WWE is in a tough spot. Wrestling no longer brings in the same numbers from the Attitude Era and it's possible without a revamp of the entire product it never will again. It could just be that in this day and age the format is outdated and those casual fans are never coming back. That's why they keep bringing back wrestlers from years past, to attract those casual fans who remember the good 'ole days but don't follow the WWE on a weekly basis anymore.

The exceptions would be Cena and Lesnar, but Cena I would argue is less well-known than the Rock was during his peak and Lesnar obviously is a rare situation where his UFC exposure made him unique cross-promotional star.

That being said I don't think you can just keep going back to the well and at some point you need to trust your own talent and elevate them. Sure, at first they may not draw as well as the old guys but this is an investment for the future. It's just not a good time because the WWE Network pressure is causing them to continue doubling down on old names.

Of course, it's not possible for every wrestler to be on top of the hierarchy at one time and there are ebbs and flows to every career. However, how much longer can you rely on the old guys with poor workrates? I love that Sting showed up but come on, the guy is like 55 years old. Guys like The Rock and Sting and Taker might produce more PPV buys but once they actually have a match is the actual product better or worse?

If you just look at the Lesnar situation the product in my opinion is much worse. He disappears for months and Raw really suffers because of it. So you're continuing to hurt your hardcore fans in the interest of ensuring the PPVs he DOES show up at get more buys. It's just not a smart long-term business strategy.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: obnoxiousmime on December 07, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
I'll just keep going and say that if they gave their regular roster more time off and stopped squeezing every last cent out of them to make money on house shows, they might actually have more time to take advantage of promotional events or other mediums that would increase their exposure and ultimately help both themselves AND the WWE. And I DO NOT mean giving them time off to appear in crappy direct-to-DVD "WWE Studios" movies (another thing CM Punk talked about).

Ironically, by leaving CM Punk actually increased the chance that his goal of headlining Wrestlemania would come true because if he stayed he would have just been buried and beat up physically. By having time off to write comics, appear on The Talking Dead, and now compete in UFC bouts, he's increased his profile by leaps and bounds. And that's exactly what he was complaining about - the WWE basically forced him to leave because they continually gave the top spots to old guys and part-timers and took their regular roster for granted.

On the podcast he brought up multiple examples of how he generated good business ideas and promotional opportunities but when he went to WWE about them he was either turned down or the spot was given to OTHER WRESTLERS. Like appearing at WizardWorld, the comic convention: He's probably the biggest comic book fan on the roster and initially they approached HIM to appear only. After he told the WWE they gave the convention appearances to other wrestlers and said he had to go wrestle house shows in Mexico! How does that make any sense at all?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 07, 2014, 03:37:49 PM

On the podcast he brought up multiple examples of how he generated good business ideas and promotional opportunities but when he went to WWE about them he was either turned down or the spot was given to OTHER WRESTLERS. Like appearing at WizardWorld, the comic convention: He's probably the biggest comic book fan on the roster and initially they approached HIM to appear only. After he told the WWE they gave the convention appearances to other wrestlers and said he had to go wrestle house shows in Mexico! How does that make any sense at all?

Yeah i didn't get that. Especially when he got all those spots and WWE decided to just give it to somebody (the WizardWorls, Slim Jim, the 2K game). I mean, that alone would probably prompt him to leave already because HE EARNED that money.

Then add the ridiculous things about the fight shorts and endorsements, walking Sonnen in the Octagon as a great idea to boost Rumble buys that they shot down, only to give the same opporunities to Aitch and Brock (granted, Brock's case is probably different).

They just really didnt want Punk to be their flag bearer, despite him being a draw. He's right, those are ideas that not only benefit him, but could benefit the entire locker room and could raise morale.

They are also a marketing machine that easily, EASILY, promote anyone on their roster and get a ton of attention. But instead you're right, the lack of trust in their guys tends them to keep coming back to the old timers. Surely they can get their machine backup Dolph Ziggler and give him a ton of opportunities to get more exposed and draw money for the company. And there are so many others. Heck, it took them a close to boycott to finally realize Daniel Bryan was a draw. When every arena chanted Yes they finally figured out that he's money. And now Ambrose is getting it, and Ziggler. I cant imagine how much more they can get if they just get behind those guys and just trusts them.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 14, 2014, 08:25:50 PM
That was an incredible match for the IC title to start TLC. Harper and Ziggler can sell, man...

The rest of the card was put on notice.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 14, 2014, 08:46:55 PM
Damien MizDow. He's the Wrestling God's gift to the new fans.

He's entertaining as heck.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 14, 2014, 09:04:56 PM
Boring Stairs match. Any Big Show match has become boring... Just glad that Eric Rowan is atleast over with the fans.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 14, 2014, 09:33:36 PM
Was actually a great table match than I thought for Cena and Rollins.

The unpredictability helped sparked the interest, despite the lack of build up. Match was decent but you cant tell where they would go, making it an interesting table match.

And it ended well. Decent match, great finish.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 14, 2014, 09:50:35 PM
Good Divas match.

Both Nikki and AJ are technically sound in that ring. And the finish, WOW, haven't seen that kind of ending in a while.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 14, 2014, 10:22:25 PM
Should be an interesting TLC match.

Ambrose something else. Would like to see how far Bray Wyatt will take himself in a very dangerous match.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 14, 2014, 11:01:10 PM
Very physical but slow paced TLC match.

Don't know where this feud is going after this. Match is great, but confused with the finish.

Decent PPV IMO. Lack of a Heavyweight Championship match is starting to irritate me. Good thing the next PPV is the Rumble and I expect a great one.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 30, 2014, 01:04:30 AM
Daniel Bryan... Holy Lord, very good promo. 

Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: ronaldo943 on December 30, 2014, 01:17:20 AM
Daniel Bryan... Holy Lord, very good promo. 

Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.

What happened?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 30, 2014, 01:32:28 AM
Daniel Bryan... Holy Lord, very good promo. 

Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.

What happened?

I kind of don't want to spoil it but what the heck.

He teased a retirement promo, almost in tears and everything. He was talking about his injuries and how everyone "gets into a crossroad" in their life, only to do the Daniel Bryan thing of yelling and telling everyone that he's going to the Royal Rumble. And the crowd, obviously, drowned the entire segment with YES chants.

Everyone thought it's a Rumble announcement when he came out, but the promo is just so perfectly executed that it kind of made it look like he may actually retire. For a minute I bought it, and so we're the crowd.

Awesome performance.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on December 30, 2014, 02:29:48 AM


Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.

Koko Beware is back?



Title: Re: WWE
Post by: timobusa on December 30, 2014, 03:01:21 AM
HOW ABOUT PAIGE though, AMIRITE GUYS???? :)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 30, 2014, 10:29:02 PM
HOW ABOUT PAIGE though, AMIRITE GUYS???? :)

I like Paige. I really think AJ and she needed a more lengthier program.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on December 30, 2014, 11:12:23 PM
I was hoping Sting would make another surprise on Raw. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on December 30, 2014, 11:16:41 PM


Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.

Koko Beware is back?

What was his bird's name?  No cheating!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on December 30, 2014, 11:49:13 PM


Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.

Koko Beware is back?

What was his bird's name?  No cheating!

Frankie. Cmon now...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 07:28:29 PM
LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!


I hope the Dudley Boyz are suprise entrants. Will definitely mark out.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: freshinthehouse on January 25, 2015, 08:03:24 PM


Welcome back. Wrestling will be fun again.

Koko Beware is back?

What was his bird's name?  No cheating!

Haha I was somewhat saddened that I had forgotten this.  To be fair, I was always more of a NWA fan than a WWF fan when I was a kid.  Loved me some Road Warriors.  They were never the same when they jumped over to WWF.  Rubber spikes? 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 08:07:10 PM
New Age Outlaws promo never gets old.

Hope they make The Ascension look good.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 08:21:36 PM
MIZDOW TIME!

God, he's entertaining.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 08:34:24 PM
Sure was a decent Tag match. I hope this feud is over...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 08:53:32 PM
Roman Reigns needs to take a time off and get some acting classes.

My God, all that look and no promo skills.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 09:02:42 PM
Well.

HERE COMES THE PAIN!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 09:19:46 PM
Great Triple Threat match so far. Man, didn't expect it was going to be very good. LOL. John Cena beeing booed.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 09:28:17 PM
WOW!

We have a legitimate heel on our hands now. My GOD, what an end!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 09:34:25 PM
HERE WE GO!

10... 9... 8... 7... 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
BUBBA RAY IS BACK!!!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 09:51:38 PM
LOL. Boogeyman in the Rumble. Mark out!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 10:03:10 PM
DDP is in the Rumble! BANG!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 10:07:02 PM
WOW! Didn't see that swerve there. Man! It's all unpredictable from here.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 10:18:46 PM
The marks are hating this Rumble so far. LOL.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 10:33:16 PM
I'm Marking out now. GOOD GOD! The Rumble, even when not properly built is freaking awesome.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 10:37:39 PM
Wow. The BS chants are ringing in.

They're going to give it to Roman Reigns? Typical WWE, give to who they like compare to who deserved it.

It was a good Rumble until it got evident as to what's going to happen. Reigns is NOWHERE close to ready.

This is the guy I'm watching in WrestleMania? Yuck.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 10:39:19 PM
ROCK SAVED THE PPV! Yes!

Edit: Not really. Still can't accept the fact that I paid $$$ to see Roman Reigns in the main event of WrestleMania. Ugh. Good Rumble overall, just marking out of the result.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on January 25, 2015, 10:39:46 PM
Is this the only way they can leave the crowd happy leaving with Reigns winning?  The Rock.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 10:44:41 PM
Is this the only way they can leave the crowd happy leaving with Reigns winning?  The Rock.

Heck, even The Rock can't put Reigns over. He's not ready. Good thing it's WrestleMania. I doubt that if it was a different PPV, he won't draw any people to see him.

Crowd booing him. Rightfully so. This is yet the result of the McMahon's pushing who they like compare to who the people want.

I personally would be happy if it was Wyatt, Bryan or Ziggler. How they can't see this is beyond me.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 10:57:59 PM
So, the Main Event for WrestleMania 31 is Lesnar vs Reigns. I.. ugh... I hope they build up Reigns pretty good for me to get the excitement back.

But Christ, Reigns can't cut a promo to save his life. How the heck are they going to sell this main event. The Sting/HHH match better be built up perfectly as well.

Gosh darn it. CM Punk was right all along. They keep doing this "best for business" slogan but they keep shoving what they want down the fans' throat. But yet people keep putting money on it, so it won't stop. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on January 25, 2015, 11:11:50 PM
I think the only way to save this is a double switch.  Let Reigns join the Authority and make Brock the face.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 11:14:54 PM
I think the only way to save this is a double switch.  Let Reigns join the Authority and make Brock the face.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Reigns wont sell this Main Event, not with that horrendous promo skills and bland wrestling. He needs to turn heel. Everyone is cheering for Brock already anyway.

But, Christ. They'd still be stubborn and think that everyone would be wanting this. Ugh. I paid for WM tickets already, atleast I have a month to make sense of this.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2015, 11:25:29 PM
I think the only way to save this is a double switch.  Let Reigns join the Authority and make Brock the face.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Reigns wont sell this Main Event, not with that horrendous promo skills and bland wrestling. He needs to turn heel. Everyone is cheering for Brock already anyway.

But, Christ. They'd still be stubborn and think that everyone would be wanting this. Ugh. I paid for WM tickets already, atleast I have a month to make sense of this.

Or... Or... Or...

They go through this poopy program, and have Reigns win at WM, then Rollins cashes in. Yeah, I'd like that.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 26, 2015, 12:32:56 AM
Ha.

#CancelWWENetwork is trending right now. Jesus, it's blowing up in their face pretty quickly.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: obnoxiousmime on January 26, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
I imagine Vince in the back befuddled, shouting "What's wrong with these people? Why aren't they cheering?!" while the rest of the staff just stays silent.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on January 26, 2015, 01:55:33 PM
And they can't have Raw in Hartford tonight.  I wonder what the plan is?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: obnoxiousmime on January 26, 2015, 02:54:29 PM
And they can't have Raw in Hartford tonight.  I wonder what the plan is?

It's a real shame to have to cancel two shows right after their second biggest PPV. I guess there wasn't any other option due to the WWE being such a huge production.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 02, 2015, 11:28:52 PM
So, they were able to loophole the Reigns situation by using The Rock's "run in". It at least made it interesting.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 12, 2015, 10:27:57 AM
I don't know if I should be happy or sad but NXT killed it last night, and is BY FAR a better show than either RAW or SmackDown.

NXT should be on cable TV.

For all the flak he has taken, I say HHH is doing a heck of a great job with this. He should book RAW (did I went too far?).
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 29, 2015, 01:57:34 PM
IM GOING TO WRESTLEMANIA!

Pretty disappointing card for me, but what the heck, it's the Gran Daddy of them All! See you guys there!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: MBunge on March 29, 2015, 02:19:34 PM
IM GOING TO WRESTLEMANIA!

Pretty disappointing card for me, but what the heck, it's the Gran Daddy of them All! See you guys there!

Starrcade is the Grand Daddy of pro wrestling super cards.

Mike
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: The_Truth on March 29, 2015, 03:36:04 PM
I will check out the Stream! GO STING!   8)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Clench123 on March 29, 2015, 04:53:54 PM
Grand daddy of 'em all, baby.  Won't miss it.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 29, 2015, 04:56:47 PM
IM GOING TO WRESTLEMANIA!

Pretty disappointing card for me, but what the heck, it's the Gran Daddy of them All! See you guys there!

Starrcade is the Grand Daddy of pro wrestling super cards.

Mike

That's actually true, fair point.

WrestleMania! The Grand Uncle of them All.  ;D
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: J. Cole on March 31, 2015, 02:38:09 AM
[dang] lucky. You went to Wrestlemania  :(  ;)

I thought this Wrestlemania was the best one since Wrestlemania 2008. Really good show. Loved that Rollins won it in the biggest stage of wrestling. He came a long way
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: manl_lui on March 31, 2015, 09:27:30 AM
The Ronda Rousey part was very awesome, AND she likes Dragonball...I am not a HUGE fan of her :D
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on March 31, 2015, 09:51:13 AM
Lesnar's spots on Raw last night were awesome and they handled the part time performance of Lesnar great by "suspending" him allowing full timers holding the belt more promo shots of the WWW champion on regular television. An active chmp is necessary and as much as giving Lesnar the belt this year kinda worked, but the people want to see the champ a lot more regularly. So Lesnar can still be a part timer but he won't have the belt. Good move
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 03, 2015, 08:32:16 PM
Pipebomb.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2015/4/3/8341719/aj-lee-retires-from-wwe?_ga=1.249988558.976096778.1358002184 (http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2015/4/3/8341719/aj-lee-retires-from-wwe?_ga=1.249988558.976096778.1358002184)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Csfan1984 on April 03, 2015, 08:46:42 PM
Pipebomb.

http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2015/4/3/8341719/aj-lee-retires-from-wwe?_ga=1.249988558.976096778.1358002184 (http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2015/4/3/8341719/aj-lee-retires-from-wwe?_ga=1.249988558.976096778.1358002184)
Darn I liked her. Very good promo stuff and OK in the ring. Almost forgot .. and hot
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 26, 2015, 09:02:23 PM
Extreme Rules is more fun than I thought it would be.

I'm enjoying every single match so far. And I love how they booked the Chicago Street Fight. Here's hoping Show - Reigns don't kill the mood of everyone. It's been an awesome PPV so far.

Edit: The Chicago crowd is great as always. I gotta watch a live event in Chicago.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on May 31, 2015, 09:14:37 PM
Ive read a lot about Kevin Owens and I've seen his NXT stuff, and now this...!

Screw Seth Rollins, Kevin Owens is the future.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on May 31, 2015, 10:03:28 PM
FANTASTIC MATCH!

Kevin Owens and John Cena is worth the $9.99 per month I'm paying. That was very unpredictable, in the result and in the ring action. Downright amazing match!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on May 31, 2015, 10:56:10 PM
Another great match in Rollins - Ambrose.

Unbelievable match. Both went out to the teeth. And the finish... Whew.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 11, 2015, 03:01:22 PM
RIP, American Dream.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/dusty-rhodes-passes-away (http://www.wwe.com/inside/dusty-rhodes-passes-away)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 19, 2015, 09:48:30 PM
If you have the Network, you better tune in RIGHT NOW!

Owens - Cena III for the US Championship. The first two matches have been nothing short of spectacular, we're going to get something special here tonight.

RIGHT NOW!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on July 19, 2015, 09:51:37 PM
If you have the Network, you better tune in RIGHT NOW!

Owens - Cena III for the US Championship. The first two matches have been nothing short of spectacular, we're going to get something special here tonight.

RIGHT NOW!

Owens winning is best for business.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 19, 2015, 09:53:07 PM
If you have the Network, you better tune in RIGHT NOW!

Owens - Cena III for the US Championship. The first two matches have been nothing short of spectacular, we're going to get something special here tonight.

RIGHT NOW!

Owens winning is best for business.

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/29741890.jpg)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 19, 2015, 10:14:06 PM
What a great match, once again by Cena and Owens. Both guys can carry each other and make each other look strong.

I think this is the only two guys I can see go at it at every PPV and not be sick of it.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Jonny CC on July 19, 2015, 11:13:43 PM
What a great match, once again by Cena and Owens. Both guys can carry each other and make each other look strong.

I think this is the only two guys I can see go at it at every PPV and not be sick of it.

The endings of the Cena/Owens and Rollins/Lesner matches were really bad. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on July 19, 2015, 11:28:56 PM
If you have the Network, you better tune in RIGHT NOW!

Owens - Cena III for the US Championship. The first two matches have been nothing short of spectacular, we're going to get something special here tonight.

RIGHT NOW!

Owens winning is best for business.

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/29741890.jpg)

Typical wwe in the super Cena Era.  So tiring.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nacceltic on July 19, 2015, 11:55:40 PM
If you have the Network, you better tune in RIGHT NOW!

Owens - Cena III for the US Championship. The first two matches have been nothing short of spectacular, we're going to get something special here tonight.

RIGHT NOW!

Owens winning is best for business.

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/29741890.jpg)

Typical wwe in the super Cena Era.  So tiring.

The thing that sucks is that Cena likely fought the idea, again...He's argued countless times with Vince about putting people over. Cena's more than willing to do the job...tiring is the perfect word.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on July 23, 2015, 07:27:08 PM
What a great match, once again by Cena and Owens. Both guys can carry each other and make each other look strong.

I think this is the only two guys I can see go at it at every PPV and not be sick of it.

The endings of the Cena/Owens and Rollins/Lesner matches were really bad.

I don't mind Owens losing, it makes sense because he still has a rematch storyline that needs to pay off with Finn Balor at NXT. I didn't like the finish though. A tap out!? I get the idea that he's exhausted from a super AA, but atleast give him the Stone Cold rub of not tapping and just passing out, that way he'd have a credible SummerSlam argument that he never really quit, especially after they built him as an equal to the 15 time World Champion in the ring. A tap out!? If he ate the pin after the super AA I would have been okay.

As for Taker/Lesnar. I would have bought it if they didn't book Lesnar as a face against Rollins. We are all rooting for him now, only to kill his momentum because he needs to turn heel for Taker. Also, what I don't like is the direction of the title. Who's going to take it now? Oh yeah, that's right...

John Cena.

Typical Vince McMahon not trusting any other superstars and booking Cena in the second biggest show just to get buys. Loved Battleground for it's matches, but I'd dont love the direction moving forward. I'm totally not interested in a Rollin-Cena match, even though I know they can put on a show.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 23, 2015, 07:49:01 PM
2 matches in and it's already been a blast.

SummerSlam has been a hit so far.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 23, 2015, 08:22:35 PM
Stephen Amell could be a wrestler. Dude is athletic. Just needs more polishing on moves and selling, he could really be a legit, high flying superstar.

Entertaining throw away match.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 23, 2015, 08:55:03 PM
Entertaining match, but heavy boos for Roman Reigns. Seems like the smarks are still not buying anything Reigns at this moment.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 23, 2015, 09:26:40 PM
Weird ending to what was a great WWE/US Title match.

Personally didn't like that finish, but hey, if I didn't like it, I guess it worked. Really good Cena - Rollins match none the less. To think, I was not as interested in this match.

Outside of 1 dud match, SummerSlam has been really good, matches and storyline wise.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 23, 2015, 10:12:49 PM
As expected, Cesaro and Owens put on a hell of a match. Physicality at it's best. Owens seems to be the guy that makes everybody good.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 23, 2015, 11:06:24 PM
Wow. Talk about a shady finish, that main event got confusing. Absolute awesome match by Lesnar and Taker none the less. Who knew Taker could still put the work.

But, man. The finish got me even more confused moving forward.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: freshinthehouse on August 24, 2015, 12:58:30 AM
Yeah that Taker/Lesnar match was great up until the end.

SPOILERZ!!!!!!

The only way this works is if it is setting up another Taker/Lesnar match.  If not, this was a BS way for Taker to finish.  Either give Taker one final win, or let Lesnar cleanly beat him and really put Lesnar over.  This finish seems like no one could make a decision, and it was the worst of both worlds.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 24, 2015, 08:41:02 AM
Yeah that Taker/Lesnar match was great up until the end.

SPOILERZ!!!!!!

The only way this works is if it is setting up another Taker/Lesnar match.  If not, this was a BS way for Taker to finish.  Either give Taker one final win, or let Lesnar cleanly beat him and really put Lesnar over.  This finish seems like no one could make a decision, and it was the worst of both worlds.

They waitd two years for the rematch, only to have Taker tap out. But they don't want him to look weak, so they gave a some sort of a dusty finish, that now made him look like a heel.

I'm confused. If they wanted another match out of this, they should have had Lesnar working heel. Make him look strong, like in this match, but in the end, make him hit Taker with a low blow, as I thought they were setting as they built up the match. Instead of a false finish making Taker not only looking weak, but heelish. From all we know, Lesnar already beat Undertaker, twice, no need for another match.

Great match, terrible finish.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on August 24, 2015, 11:35:16 PM
HOLY MOLLY!

The Dudley Boyz are back!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Clench123 on August 25, 2015, 12:23:11 AM
HOLY MOLLY!

The Dudley Boyz are back!

I know, right.  That was a surprise.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on September 20, 2015, 08:40:15 PM
Kevin Owens is best for business. Just hope that they book him right in this IC run. He's a classic heel.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on November 06, 2015, 01:50:47 PM
Ouch! That's not good or business...

http://www.wwe.com/inside/seth-rollins-injury-title-tournament-survivor-series-28164051

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WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins has torn his right ACL, MCL and medial meniscus, and will not be able to defend the title against Roman Reigns at Survivor Series.

Guess the Reigns Era has begun.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: wdleehi on November 06, 2015, 02:56:53 PM
You know, I wouldn't be surprise if they wait.  This is the season where ratings are bad.  Why not wait until when the ratings take the natural upswing so they can give him become the champ more credit then he deserves. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 08:28:20 PM
HOLY! I haven't posted here in a while, tonight seems like a good time to do so.

Royal Rumble PPV have just begun, and the Ambrose - Owens kickoff is freaking great off the bat. What a match, and it ain't over.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 08:48:33 PM
It's time for WWE to make the New Day as a face. Those guys are fun!

That's two straight great matches in a row. This Rumble PPV this year is looking really, really great.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 09:15:33 PM
Kalisto = Rey Mysterio?

Of course he is. He's as fun to watch as Rey was. My question is how long would this gimmick last? Also like Rey's, the whole Underdog shtick can only last for so long.

Good match with him and Del Rio though. Del Rio, man. Shame he can't promo, he's such a good worker.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on January 24, 2016, 09:26:00 PM
Bullet Club tonight?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 09:42:38 PM
Great divas match, and great finish. Although I wish they stay away with Ric Flair and let Charlotte be the dirty wrestler that her dad was. I get it, need a heater and get heat, but it's time.

HOLY CRABS! SASHA BANKS (I LOVE YOU!)

Don't mess with the Boss!

Bullet Club tonight?

Probably not, but would be fun. I'm thinking just AJ Styles. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on January 24, 2016, 09:45:28 PM
Great divas match, and great finish. Although I wish they stay away with Ric Flair and let Charlotte be the dirty wrestler that her dad was. I get it, need a heater and get heat, but it's time.

HOLY CRABS! SASHA BANKS (I LOVE YOU!)

Don't mess with the Boss!

Bullet Club tonight?

Probably not, but would be fun. I'm thinking AJ Styles.

He's the best I've ever seen.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 09:48:04 PM
Great divas match, and great finish. Although I wish they stay away with Ric Flair and let Charlotte be the dirty wrestler that her dad was. I get it, need a heater and get heat, but it's time.

HOLY CRABS! SASHA BANKS (I LOVE YOU!)

Don't mess with the Boss!

Bullet Club tonight?

Probably not, but would be fun. I'm thinking AJ Styles.

He's the best I've ever seen.

He's up there to me. He's one of the reasons I watched early TNA as well.

As for Bullet Club, would it be more fun if all of them get debuted together along with Finn Ballor (Prince Devitt).
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on January 24, 2016, 09:49:42 PM
Fin needs to debut when he can come to the ring in style.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 09:54:16 PM
Fin needs to debut when he can come to the ring in style.

Yes. Maybe they can debut him tonight? Wouldn't that be something...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on January 24, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
Fin needs to debut when he can come to the ring in style.

Yes. Maybe they can debut him tonight? Wouldn't that be something...

Tp for the wrestling love!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 10:00:20 PM
Right off the bat, THE PHENOMENAL ONE!

Holy molly! AJ Styles is in WWE. I can't believe it...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 10:51:27 PM
TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!!!

I knew it was going to happen, but man, it's hard not to mark out...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 11:01:16 PM
What a great Royal Rumble.

They have now set up two matches at WrestleMania that could be greatly anticipated. The AJ Styles surprise was awesome. The PPV itself was a treat.

Great start for the year. WWE.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: MasterEmile on January 24, 2016, 11:07:49 PM
That finishing sequence was awesome! I wish ambrose won the whole thing, the amway center would have exploded.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
That finishing sequence was awesome! I wish ambrose won the whole thing, the amway center would have exploded.

He was IC Champion, no way the put the belt on him. But you can tell everyone from that stadium are completely being marks about it, even me. Part of me knows it won't happen, but a bigger part of me was in complete suspended disbelief and hoping Ambrose won. Which is what makes wrestling fun for me and for us fans.

It was a great Rumble match, it was a great Royal Rumble over all.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Jonny CC on January 24, 2016, 11:14:00 PM
The Royal Rumble match was awful (other than AJ Styles).  Why in the world would you have Ambrose as the last man with HHH???  He kept his belt so there was no way in hell that he was going to win the Rumble match.  May have been an unpredictable choice to make it that far but it lead to a very predictable ending. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 24, 2016, 11:40:59 PM
The Royal Rumble match was awful (other than AJ Styles).  Why in the world would you have Ambrose as the last man with HHH???  He kept his belt so there was no way in hell that he was going to win the Rumble match.  May have been an unpredictable choice to make it that far but it lead to a very predictable ending.

But everyone (the smarks I mean) knew that was going to happen, they are setting that up for WrestleMania. Reigns - HHH last two would have been much more predictable. Rollins became US and World Champion at the same time, that idea was floating around in Amway Center for sure.

Other than Lesnar, everyone else they leave in the final two with Aitch would have been a predictable HHH win, including Reigns. Ambrose at least got a mark out moment.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: mr. dee on January 24, 2016, 11:45:47 PM
The Royal Rumble match was awful (other than AJ Styles).  Why in the world would you have Ambrose as the last man with HHH???  He kept his belt so there was no way in hell that he was going to win the Rumble match.  May have been an unpredictable choice to make it that far but it lead to a very predictable ending.

Wait, AJ styles in now on WWE?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2016, 12:13:22 PM
The Royal Rumble match was awful (other than AJ Styles).  Why in the world would you have Ambrose as the last man with HHH???  He kept his belt so there was no way in hell that he was going to win the Rumble match.  May have been an unpredictable choice to make it that far but it lead to a very predictable ending.

Wait, AJ styles in now on WWE?

Yes! And WWE booked him well in his debut. I can't wait to see him on a program, and hopefully WrestleMania.

AJ - Ambrose for the IC title would be fun. Also, Zayn - Owens and a triple threat Divas Title match with Becky - Charlotte - Sasha. That's has to happen at WM32. Those three matches alone would be worth it.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 25, 2016, 11:20:52 PM
The Rumble aftermath has started (at least on the West Coast).

Ah... It may be that the WM32 main event would be HHH - Rock. Part of me is excited and gets it, part of me goes "really?". It's nostalgic, but at some point WWE should have to start trusting it's roster more to carry the main event of the biggest show. There are talent there that could do that with proper booking.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 08, 2016, 01:54:11 PM
Thank you, Brian Danielson. You've given up a lot in what little, but god awesome run you had. You don't have to risk your entire life anymore. Heal up, D-Bry, even though you won't wrestle again, I'm sure we would still see you in the ring, or out, at some capacity.

YES! YES! YES!

http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2016/2/8/10938768/daniel-bryan-retires-announcement-wwe-raw

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Due to medical reasons, effective immediately, I am announcing my retirement. Tonight on Raw, I'll have a chance to elaborate.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 08, 2016, 02:18:55 PM
I'm sorry, but I just feel like I had to do one more tribute to Bryan's WWE career.

(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/842/997/039d1d56a00bc46b95274e16294b4c0d_crop_exact.jpg?w=1500&h=1500&q=85)

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: bdm860 on February 08, 2016, 02:32:41 PM
Thank you, Brian Danielson. You've given up a lot in what little, but god awesome run you had. You don't have to risk your entire life anymore. Heal up, D-Bry, even though you won't wrestle again, I'm sure we would still see you in the ring, or out, at some capacity.

YES! YES! YES!

http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2016/2/8/10938768/daniel-bryan-retires-announcement-wwe-raw

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Due to medical reasons, effective immediately, I am announcing my retirement. Tonight on Raw, I'll have a chance to elaborate.

I know a lot of people are hoping that's just a work.  What are your thoughts on that possibility?

Tune into Raw tonight to find out!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 08, 2016, 02:43:03 PM
Thank you, Brian Danielson. You've given up a lot in what little, but god awesome run you had. You don't have to risk your entire life anymore. Heal up, D-Bry, even though you won't wrestle again, I'm sure we would still see you in the ring, or out, at some capacity.

YES! YES! YES!

http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2016/2/8/10938768/daniel-bryan-retires-announcement-wwe-raw

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Due to medical reasons, effective immediately, I am announcing my retirement. Tonight on Raw, I'll have a chance to elaborate.

I know a lot of people are hoping that's just a work.  What are your thoughts on that possibility?

Tune into Raw tonight to find out!

Part of it screams work. I mean, he was cleared by doctors to wrestle, wasn't he? And there's this issue where he wants to be released so he could work somewhere else, but WWE won't release him. A lot of stuff has been going on. 

Jonathan Coachman also tweeted that "it's not a work", which could be more than likely that it is.

https://twitter.com/TheCoachESPN/status/696776624298131456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

RAW would definitely be a must see tonight for wrestling fans. I don't want him to risk being paralyzed for the rest of his life, but one could wish this is a Mark Henry type work.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on February 08, 2016, 09:08:57 PM
Wwe working hard to promote Aj styles without every letting him speak. Lol
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: J. Cole on February 08, 2016, 10:09:14 PM
First CM Punk  :( , now it's Daniel Bryan  :'(

At least WWE got AJ Styles and Nakamura now. Also Finn Ballor (who's injured (:() and Sami
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Chief on February 21, 2016, 07:20:33 PM
Fast Lane tonight!

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 21, 2016, 10:11:13 PM
YES!

They are going to turn the New Day face! Holy crabs! I'm marking out like crazy!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 21, 2016, 10:46:57 PM
Eh... What the heck?

I get it storyline wise, but Reigns - Triple H Main Event of WrestleMania, not looking forward to it.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on February 22, 2016, 11:31:45 PM
What the heck just happened!?

That opening segment turned from great to just confusingly great.

Shane McMahon vs The Undertaker at WrestleMania... I, uh... I don't know how to feel, but darn it I want to see it!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: RockinRyA on February 22, 2016, 11:55:19 PM
fastlane had great matches with questionable endings and sell. IMHO the New Day promo couldve been executed better, Kalisto vs Del Rio shouldve been on the main card, Axel vs R-Truth match shouldntve been in a PPV,  No sense having the Titans win against the Wyatt's as well, I dunno how they're gonna sell Wyatt's match for wrestlemania when they just lost. There's simply not much time for more promos. They turned Ambrose into a jobber again, and Brock was underutilized in that match. Wouldve been better imho, if they went with Lesnar vs Reigns 1 on 1 with Ambrose interferance. Not interested in a Reigns-Triple H main event, probably not going to watch that.

Unless they do something drastic in the Shane vs Undertaker match, whatever ending will be promise to be a lose-lose. Undertaker loses, it diminishes his loss to Lesnar in previous Wrestlemania, Taker wins it comes as a no surprise.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 29, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
WOO!

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2016/3/25/11306878/ric-flair-charlotte-wwe-kevin-love-cavaliers

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"She's being very shy. Kevin Love wants her digits. ... The first thing he said to me was, 'I'm a huge fan of yours, but I love your daughter.'"

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 01, 2016, 10:20:53 PM
Anybody watching NXT Takeover: Dallas right now?

Shinsuke Nakamura will debut tonight. Oh yeah!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 01, 2016, 11:12:47 PM
Anybody watching NXT Takeover: Dallas right now?

Shinsuke Nakamura will debut tonight. Oh yeah!

OH MY FREAKING GOD!

Zayn and Nakamura put on a WrestleMania worthy match. HOLY LORD!

The Strong Style is here, and even Zayn worked a little stiff to make the match more compelling.

What a match... Match of the year, for sure!

WOW!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 03, 2016, 07:31:50 PM
OH MY GOD! Did not EXPECT that result on the first match! WrestleMania and ladder matches, they belong together.

WWWYKI!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 03, 2016, 08:22:53 PM
Ah. Watching Stone Cold Steve Austin pour guzzles of beer on his face never gets old.

Feel bad for the people who had to put the oldies over though...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 03, 2016, 09:35:50 PM
Ah...

Great Divas wrestling action, all three women are on their A game, what a match.

But, but, I did hate that finish.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 03, 2016, 10:06:11 PM
Shane FREAKING McMahon, at his age right now, is taking MASSIVE bumps.

Holy crabs!
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 03, 2016, 10:40:19 PM
LOL. Shaq was in the WWE, participated in the Andre Battle Royal.

I think he'll be a pretty good pro wrestler to be honest. He's got enough charisma to be able to be over.

That was fun.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: RockinRyA on April 03, 2016, 10:47:15 PM
Ah...

Great Divas wrestling action, all three women are on their A game, what a match.

But, but, I did hate that finish.

Yup liked it very much. Too bad banks fumbled what i think wouldve been a sunset flip. Good thing they showed lakers-celtics on a.local filipino channel, was able to watch both simultaneously
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 03, 2016, 11:47:25 PM
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.

It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: RockinRyA on April 03, 2016, 11:51:16 PM
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.

It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.

Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 04, 2016, 12:05:16 AM
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.

It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.

Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries

Not faulting them with injuries, but stubbornness.

Clearly Reigns isn't getting over, but they keep shoving it in our throats. I get the payout of this WM result as a culmination of a a story-line brewed within months, but Reigns isn't the guy. Just isn't.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: RockinRyA on April 04, 2016, 12:08:02 AM
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.

It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.

Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries

Not faulting them with injuries, but stubbornness.

Clearly Reigns isn't getting over, but they keep shoving it in our throats. I get the payout of this WM result as a culmination of a a story-line brewed within months, but Reigns isn't the guy. Just isn't.

They should adopt a heel turn for Reigns vs Ambrose.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 04, 2016, 12:24:05 AM
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.

It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.

Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries

Not faulting them with injuries, but stubbornness.

Clearly Reigns isn't getting over, but they keep shoving it in our throats. I get the payout of this WM result as a culmination of a a story-line brewed within months, but Reigns isn't the guy. Just isn't.

They should adopt a heel turn for Reigns vs Ambrose.

Don't even need Ambrose.

The fact that IT'S SO EASY to make Reigns heel should really make them consider it. It'll probably help him in the long run, when he turns face after a long heel run.

Make him work as a face, but let him acknowledge the boos, the disrespect and the lack of support, and eventually make him do heelish stuff, as at that point "he doesn't care anymore and just wants to be the man". He can do that with anyone. Give him another face run, maybe for about two months, book him the same way so the smarks would hate him more, then slowly do the switch.

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on April 04, 2016, 12:27:14 AM
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.

It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.

Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries

Not faulting them with injuries, but stubbornness.

Clearly Reigns isn't getting over, but they keep shoving it in our throats. I get the payout of this WM result as a culmination of a a story-line brewed within months, but Reigns isn't the guy. Just isn't.

They should adopt a heel turn for Reigns vs Ambrose.

Don't even need Ambrose.

The fact that IT'S SO EASY to make Reigns heel should really make them consider it. It'll probably help him in the long run, when he turns face after a long heel run.

Make him work as a face, but let him acknowledge the boos, the disrespect and the lack of support, and eventually make him do heelish stuff, as at that point "he doesn't care anymore and just wants to be the man". He can do that with anyone. Give him another face run, maybe for about two months, book him the same way so the smarks would hate him more, then slowly do the switch.
Then bring back Seth Rollins as a face and let a year long rivalry begin.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 04, 2016, 10:34:52 AM
Predictable Main Event, but man, the crowd is still ready hating on Roman Reigns. The boos are prevalent.

It's time to make him heel. Keep the same gimmick, but just working heel. This is obviously not going well to the fans that aren't below 10.

Yup. Hard to fault wwe though, witb all these injuries

Not faulting them with injuries, but stubbornness.

Clearly Reigns isn't getting over, but they keep shoving it in our throats. I get the payout of this WM result as a culmination of a a story-line brewed within months, but Reigns isn't the guy. Just isn't.

They should adopt a heel turn for Reigns vs Ambrose.

Don't even need Ambrose.

The fact that IT'S SO EASY to make Reigns heel should really make them consider it. It'll probably help him in the long run, when he turns face after a long heel run.

Make him work as a face, but let him acknowledge the boos, the disrespect and the lack of support, and eventually make him do heelish stuff, as at that point "he doesn't care anymore and just wants to be the man". He can do that with anyone. Give him another face run, maybe for about two months, book him the same way so the smarks would hate him more, then slowly do the switch.
Then bring back Seth Rollins as a face and let a year long rivalry begin.

Oh yes. I actually fantasy-booked this.

Although, I'd probably would wait until after the next PPV to bring him in. Let Roman work as a facey heel (if that makes any sense), slowly plant that seed of him going The Rock and bring Seth in eventually, as a heel first, his purpose is to take the title "that he never lost". But with NO Authority backing, that's important. He needs to be out of the Authority, but not in a way where he would actually tell them he wants out. Just don't involve them, period, so people would think he's still their puppet, but slowly would realize that he's now his own man as the story progresses.

And then, Roman drops the title to Seth on a PPV. The finish should be a Roll-up pin or a School Boy, something "unexpected". With Roman finally being "fed up" of the lack of acknowledgement and the frustration of losing while dominating the match (you know, to make him "look strong"), he proceeds to beating up Seth to a pulp.

Now he would come out on next day at Raw, and cut a promo where he'll finally "stop caring" about the fans and from now on "would only care about being at the top, the Champion" and invokes his rematch clause to a very hobbled Rollins.

They fight at Raw's main event, with Rollins dropping the belt back to Reigns, and then proceeds to beating him up some more, and then gloating about winning the title in a sea of boos. And there's your double switch.

God, I wish this happens.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: CelticSooner on April 06, 2016, 01:48:51 AM
Had a great time at Mania on Sunday. Crowd didn't care all that much about the winners other than Reigns being booed from start to finish lol

If you ever get to chance to go regardless of card do so. Just an amazing experience. Watching wrasslin' on Saturday mornings as a kid came right out as the first match started.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 21, 2016, 10:12:02 AM
One of the best performers. Larger than life character, very compelling. May you rest in peace, Chyna.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/15285463/1990s-wwe-wrestling-star-chyna-dies-age-46-california
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: MasterEmile on April 21, 2016, 10:35:03 AM
You think there will be any mention of her on raw this monday ?
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 21, 2016, 10:41:51 AM
You think there will be any mention of her on raw this monday ?

She was on the WWE "can't remember" list if I remember, mainly due to the Triple H - Steph involvement.

But seeming as Stephanie mentioned her, I think they will. They might put her in the Hall of Fame next year, nay, they will.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on April 29, 2016, 05:16:58 PM
This is actually interesting. . .

Why not?

http://www.kayfabenews.com/dixie-carters-ingenious-invasion-wwe-nearing-completion/

Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on May 01, 2016, 08:17:36 PM
Holy LORD!

Enzo Amore took a really bad hit, getting his neck caught on the ropes really bad and hit his head HARD on the ring.

He hasn't moved, scary...

Hope he's alright...
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: bdm860 on September 17, 2017, 08:33:27 PM
RIP

(http://i.imgur.com/t7Wyudx.jpg)
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: hpantazo on September 17, 2017, 09:12:36 PM
RIP

(http://i.imgur.com/t7Wyudx.jpg)


RIP Bobby The Brain, not many people can say they have done more for pro wrestling than he did. Many great memories of Heenan over the years.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: ChillyWilly on September 17, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
RIP

(http://i.imgur.com/t7Wyudx.jpg)

Tony Schiavone "I'm sure a liar has to make a living like everyone else."
Bobby Heenan "That's why we're here."
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: nickagneta on September 18, 2017, 12:45:36 PM
RIP

(http://i.imgur.com/t7Wyudx.jpg)
One of the greatest personalities all-time in entertainment, all entertainment not just wrestling. Thanks for the great memories Bobby. Rest in peace. Gotta watch Raw tonight just to see their tribute to him.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Donoghus on September 18, 2017, 01:00:01 PM
The GOAT when it came to wrestling managers.   Also, he & Gorilla Monsoon on "Wrestling Challenge" were the perfect ying & yang of personalities.  Like the Madden/Summerall of the WWF. 

Perfected the art of getting under your skin. 
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: mr. dee on October 22, 2017, 10:38:57 PM
TLC is so good right now. Even Angle is wrestling.
Title: Re: WWE
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on October 22, 2017, 11:36:15 PM
TLC is so good right now. Even Angle is wrestling.

Yeah. It turned out to be a great PPV. Glad to see Angle not just wrestling, but can still take bumps. I was really scared that he could snap his neck at any minute. That entire match and how they told the story was fantastic, something I never thought it would happen.

The rest of the card was awesome as well, apart from maybe the Tag Cruiserweight, but it is just a card filler, so I can't ask for much from it.

The AJ vs Balor match is MOTY worthy. What a match! In a way, viral meningitis won this night for us wrestling fans.

TLC is just, well, TOO SWEET!

(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22552842_1859200274394023_547388186800815233_n.jpg?oh=152f050d4ffffc104311114a83876317&oe=5A859FE8)